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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Blue Planet => Topic started by: Colonol Dekker on December 19, 2011, 12:42:22 pm
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Go first fleet.. Whoop whoop :D
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First fleet has original Solaris and supar secret Byrne project and UEFg Masyaf and doesn't afraid of anything aside from striking back.
I think I summed up everything that might happen in that thread, nothing to see, move along.
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There is one more thing. Laporte learned to fly a fighter in first fleet, so they were at least good for something.
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Masyaf is a member of First fleet only in the sense that regular maintenance and ammunition are paid for with First Fleet funding.
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Aside from the stuff being mentioned, I think that Byrne isn't that much of a moron. Without the logistics he maintained, the UEF would be already frakked. And he also proved to have some tactical sense. I mean....a simple artillery strike on the Hood would've been a bit difficult due toe AWACSsiness but heck, it would have saved a lot of lives and the Toutatis would have been (high likely) used near Neptune instead of that banzai against the Hood.
Well, the result could be both the Eris and the Toutatis being damaged. But heck, the tev-casualities would be terrible with two Solaris-destroyers around. Maybe they could have managed to destroy the Atreus and Steele, therefore preventing the destruction of the Wargods and this farce of a negotiation with the vasudans.
But that is all speculation.
But like TVtropes said:"At first glance, he's The Fool. She's The Ditz. And no, it's not Obfuscating Stupidity — they're really like that. Most of the time. "
Now that the 3rd Fleet has taken even more casualities, and the 2nd fleet losing a lot of stuff too, the 1st Fleet could and will move further into the foreground. Hopefully, that secret project will give them one hell of a power boost.
1st Fleet also has Manuel Brie.
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First Fleet is letting the Tevs win
First Fleet FTW
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First fleet are the pussys at the beginning right? Screw those guys.
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First Fleet may have a bit more going for them. Do they have the Agincourt, or did the Elders take the logistics vessel?
I also think of the two Beis, but I don't know if they are part of First Fleet or if they are independent entities working alongside the UEF.
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First Fleet may have a bit more going for them. Do they have the Agincourt, or did the Elders take the logistics vessel?
I also think of the two Beis, but I don't know if they are part of First Fleet or if they are independent entities working alongside the UEF.
The Agincourt was officially brought to the FSI. But I think Byrne has some plans with the ship.
The Bei's are, allegedly, members of the Fedayeen. The Fedayeen don't take any orders from the 1st Fleet, only from the Council of Elders. But parts of the Fedayeen seem to partially serve for the 1st Fleet in order to solve their Fedayeen-related tasks.
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The Fedayeen? Really? They're just a myth guys. What next? Are you going to tell me the Elders secretly get instructions from inter-dimensional aliens or something? Ha!
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The Fedayeen? Really? They're just a myth guys. What next? Are you going to tell me the Elders secretly get instructions from inter-dimensional aliens or something? Ha!
*Puts on his Tevfoil hat*
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/158/329/9189283.jpg?1318992465)
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Boo, long live the GTVA. :p
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That guy freaks me out. He talks about aliens while having a vaguely Centauri hairstyle.
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First fleet are the pussys at the beginning right? Screw those guys.
From le intro?
I thought they were turd Third fleet?
First Fleet is letting the Tevs win
First Fleet FTW
This is a bonus :yes:
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No. "the beginning" as in, Laporte being part of it up to "Darkest Hour".
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I am also a big first fleet fan.
Sit and do nothing while the rest of the country is shredded. It doesn't get much easier than that for the Tevs.
Don't get me wrong, its not that I don't like the idealistic utopia type, they just don't have what it takes to face the Shivans.
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Good strategy is boring. Let's just throw some Karunas at them and hope something blows up.
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Good strategy is boring. Let's just throw some Karunas at them and hope something blows up.
Hey, lots of stuff blew up the last time Calder and Netreba tried that. :p
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It isn't their fault it was a Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) by Steele, who happens to be a Crazy Prepared (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrazyPrepared) Magnificent Bastard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard).
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Ehhhh, I don't know what Byrne has planned, but when you think about it, so what if 2FM and 3JRF lost 3 (4?) Karunas. It's a hefty loss, but overall I think that they made a lot of brilliant strategic decisions.
I'm of the unrelenting opinion that neither Byrne or Calder/Netreba are entirely right in their doctrines. A certain balance is needed if the UEF hopes to achieve victory (Note that I'm using that word in it's broadest definition).
I for one am hoping the Fedayeen even things out and play their cards right, less aggressive than Calder and Netreba and not as cautious as Byrne.
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Remember this. The GTVA wants our worlds and our infrastructure intact. They hope to break our fighting spirit, or to draw us into a foolish offensive.
Sure it was a trap, but it was a huge risk even without the Imperieuse in consideration.
Then again, maybe first fleet is losing on the "fighting spirit" front :doubt:
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Of course. 2FM and 3JRF bit off more than they could chew. Going after a Tev destroyer with it's comm systems intact as if they'd see it as an acceptable loss? They didn't follow one of the golden rules and they paid the price for it. If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is.
Think about if they had left the Carthage drifting in orbit of Saturn. It would've been out of action for weeks most likely, depending on how extensive the damage was. Not worth going in for the kill.
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I almost wrote up a big response to that but its kinda off-topic.
This has been discussed a lot so lets just agree its a contested issue before too many people get involved for it to be possible to discuss or bring to a halt without a lock.
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Of course. 2FM and 3JRF bit off more than they could chew. Going after a Tev destroyer with it's comm systems intact as if they'd see it as an acceptable loss? They didn't follow one of the golden rules and they paid the price for it. If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is.
Think about if they had left the Carthage drifting in orbit of Saturn. It would've been out of action for weeks most likely, depending on how extensive the damage was. Not worth going in for the kill.
The Carthage jumped out of the last "engagement", if you can really call it that, before she could take much damage. When it arrived at Saturn, all that was needed to bring her back into the fight was driving her out of Saturns gravity or a quick fix of the engines at most. She would have been out of the war for hours maybe a full day tops.
And because they couldn't get the comms before the attack, they tried to make sure that every ships that might support the Carthage is busy with defending against the other attacks.
Delenda Est was NOT a small engagement of only those four Karunas and their Sanctus escorts. It was a massive fleet action that involved attacks on multiple high-priority targets.
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Problem was simply that they got false information of the position of that Titan-class destroyer (i always forget the name). If they knew that that Ship is still in SOL, im quite sure they wouldnt have attacked.
Or Calder and Netreba would just have engaged it with enough forces to keep it busy, like they were doing for the rest of the Tev forces during DE.
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Did Calder and Netreba even have enough spare warships to assault the Imperieuse? I'm not sure they could have deployed much more without leaving Mars open. They could have asked First Fleet for help, but I doubt Byrne would have gotten off his ass and sent any ships to assist in a clearly offensive mission.
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Did Calder and Netreba even have enough spare warships to assault the Imperieuse? I'm not sure they could have deployed much more without leaving Mars open. They could have asked First Fleet for help, but I doubt Byrne would have gotten off his ass and sent any ships to assist in a clearly offensive mission.
I would ask: Do they have a tactic to distract all the fighters of the Imperieuse and other warships so the Durgas and Vajradharas they have, can assault and destroy the destroyer?
Even a pair of Narayanas can destroy the Imperieuse. They just need to be protected and a really good plan is need in order to pin down the other destroyers.
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If they had what it takes to kill a destroyer like that, they wouldn't need to set up the whole DE stuff in the first place. They just need to keep it busy enough. Not necessarily by threatening it, but for example by threatening other assets that would require its protection.
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I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side. ****ing hippies.
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I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side. ****ing hippies.
I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)
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I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side. ****ing hippies.
I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)
That's how they did it in Twilight.
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Keep Derplight outta this fine topic ;)
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I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)
Didn't the Arcturus Mengsk way just lead to one really pissed off Raynor battlegroup? The GTVA have a good handful of those already, no need to give them another one.
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Not to mention the Overmind getting his hands on the "Queen of Blades".... Laporte fighting for the Shivans would be terrible... and somehow really cool at the same time.
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I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)
Didn't the Arcturus Mengsk way just lead to one really pissed off Raynor battlegroup? The GTVA have a good handful of those already, no need to give them another one.
*groan*
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Even a pair of Narayanas can destroy the Imperieuse. They just need to be protected and a really good plan is need in order to pin down the other destroyers.
If 2nd and 3rd fleet had Narayanas to spare Calder'd have given one to the Wargods in DE. All the surviving artillery not hogged by Byrne is probably needed to keep Steele away from Mars.
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I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)
Didn't the Arcturus Mengsk way just lead to one really pissed off Raynor battlegroup? The GTVA have a good handful of those already, no need to give them another one.
*groan*
Credit where credit is due, that wasn't actually bad
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Yeah, it was pretty good. I suppose the thing that's really groan-worthy is that there's a destroyer class called the Raynor in the first place.
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Keep Derplight outta this fine topic ;)
No, the campaign. Not that Twilight. :rolleyes:
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I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side. ****ing hippies.
god damn it
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I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side. ****ing hippies.
god damn it
That was the official game-plan wasn't it?
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Back to the bloody drawing board. Again.
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Can you make sure the new
superweapon project, is Disco based please?
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Can you make sure the new superweapon project, is Disco based please?
For some out-of-this-world reason, Ridiculous (Ironbeer's campaign) comes to mind.
I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side. ****ing hippies.
I've got to ask though, does it work?
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Can you make sure the new superweapon project, is Disco based please?
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2756/14024212.jpg)
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If you want a fleet of fanatical attackers... promote a chimpanzee to admiral. Yeah... I went there.
First fleet baby! The classier and smarter way to fight a war.
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If you want a fleet of fanatical attackers... promote a chimpanzee to admiral. Yeah... I went there.
First fleet baby! The classier and smarter way to fight a war.
Classier yes. losing the war, one gentlemanly conflict at a time
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:lol:
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for some reason I dont get the hi-rez sun. Is it included in the update?
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Continuing the light-hearted spirit that this thread is in right now:
"2405's Oscar for Best Picture goes to 'Steele Magnolia', a biopic of the leading GTVA officer of the Galactic Civil War"
:p
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for some reason I dont get the hi-rez sun. Is it included in the update?
No, unfortunately, it's not an in-game asset.
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for some reason I dont get the hi-rez sun. Is it included in the update?
No, unfortunately, it's not an in-game asset.
Makes for some awesome wallpaper though. :D
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But... Isn't first-fleet best fleet-in-being? D:
Literally, think of the discourgement all those Durgas and the Solaris mean to any major Tev offensive.
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But... Isn't first-fleet best fleet-in-being? D:
Literally, think of the discourgement all those Durgas and the Solaris mean to any major Tev offensive.
Sure discouraged the Blitz.
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As much as I support the UEF (Tevs suck, we all know that). Im not sure that the presence of the Solaris was the main reason the Tevs abandoned the blitz. They wanted everything intact, remember.
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They also took significant losses and they had to rearm and repair for several days/week after it. Steele said it, he's ready to loose men to win the war. His tactics are bolder than Severanti, and that leads to more losses both on the UEF and Tev sides.
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As much as I support the UEF (Tevs suck, we all know that). Im not sure that the presence of the Solaris was the main reason the Tevs abandoned the blitz. They wanted everything intact, remember.
The Blitz wasn't an all-out attack to capture Earth. It was just one hard strike to cripple UEF infrastructure. It went according to plan. They didn't abandon anything.
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I always thought the blitz was something like "Look you Buntu freaks, if we want, we could smash you into the dust!"
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Something like that. It would actually be more like "Look Buntus, I'm not Severanti. If I need to loose men and ships to strike you where it hurts, I will. Now have fun with your all out logistical crisis."
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If he was indeed attempting to send that kind of message, I don't think he got it through very well. Even after his master-stroke at effectively eliminating the Wargods without losing vital fleet assets, the Federation doesn't seem very fazed by it.
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...wut
The Feds are on their last legs and they know it. Morale is at an all-time low. They're bleeding frigates, cruisers and fighters left and right, they are counting weeks until logistical breakdown and what was supposed to be their greatest victory on a too short list was turned into a major defeat. The UEF knows the war is already lost, they just won't go down without fighting.
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The effect seems somewhat blunted. They don't seem to be despairing a lot. :nervous:
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That's because the secret project is defrosting Chuck Norris.
EDIT--ARGHH, Conflict of loyalties, i love the GTVA, but first fleet is so coooooool.
Who do i root for D:
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Who do i root for D:
You are asking your 'D' drive for advice ? :P (sorry, I couldn't resist)
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You are asking your 'D' drive for advice ? :P (sorry, I couldn't resist)
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg)
EDIT--ARGHH, Conflict of loyalties, i love the GTVA, but first fleet is so coooooool.
You could stick to the middle ground, like me.
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Root for the Gefs.
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Oh right, the Gefs. Forgot about them.
I'm not a great fan of the Gefs, but I admit that they do know how to use the Scimitar to great effect.
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Support the GTVA. We have waffles.
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The effect seems somewhat blunted. They don't seem to be despairing a lot. :nervous:
I don't think you and I have been playing the same campaign?
The Feds are definitely pretty desperate by the second act. The player is transferred at that point to the proto-Wargods who, though on the edge of losing their fighting spirit, have not quite lost it yet, yes; but re-read the debreifings of a few of the late Chrysalis missions.
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No, you should support the FS2 Shivans in killing everyone in BP:AoA and BP:WiH, including the stupid Vishnans and those Shivan wannabes. :yes:
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As much as I support the UEF (Tevs suck, we all know that). Im not sure that the presence of the Solaris was the main reason the Tevs abandoned the blitz. They wanted everything intact, remember.
The Blitz wasn't an all-out attack to capture Earth. It was just one hard strike to cripple UEF infrastructure. It went according to plan. They didn't abandon anything.
The intercepted comms from the Valerie and Laporte's mention of an attempted troop landing on Luna suggest otherwise. Steele was entirely prepared to go for the throat if the opportunity presented itself and was probably only prevented from doing so by Netreba's massive counterattack.
Whatever the case, though, I don't think the presence of First Fleet did anything to deter the Blitz.
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As much as I support the UEF (Tevs suck, we all know that). Im not sure that the presence of the Solaris was the main reason the Tevs abandoned the blitz. They wanted everything intact, remember.
The Blitz wasn't an all-out attack to capture Earth. It was just one hard strike to cripple UEF infrastructure. It went according to plan. They didn't abandon anything.
The intercepted comms from the Valerie and Laporte's mention of an attempted troop landing on Luna suggest otherwise. Steele was entirely prepared to go for the throat if the opportunity presented itself and was probably only prevented from doing so by Netreba's massive counterattack.
Whatever the case, though, I don't think the presence of First Fleet did anything to deter the Blitz.
Just because Steele was PREPARED to go for the throat if the opportunity presented itself doesn't mean that was the objective. What if, during the invasion of Iraq, Osama bin laden had just walked out into the streets? The Americans woulda taken the opportunity to kill him, no question. But that doesn't mean that would have been the objective of the invasion.
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As much as I support the UEF (Tevs suck, we all know that). Im not sure that the presence of the Solaris was the main reason the Tevs abandoned the blitz. They wanted everything intact, remember.
The Blitz wasn't an all-out attack to capture Earth. It was just one hard strike to cripple UEF infrastructure. It went according to plan. They didn't abandon anything.
The intercepted comms from the Valerie and Laporte's mention of an attempted troop landing on Luna suggest otherwise. Steele was entirely prepared to go for the throat if the opportunity presented itself and was probably only prevented from doing so by Netreba's massive counterattack.
Whatever the case, though, I don't think the presence of First Fleet did anything to deter the Blitz.
I think the blitz was possible, because the UEF didn't expect it, thinking that Steele would first secure the outer planets, then Mars and take Earth last. When he hit them at their home, they got caught with their pants down and had to throw in some hasty reactions, instead of a coherent battleplan, going at least partially according to the studied simulations.
Steele saw them unprepared and pounced at the weakspot.
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Where Steele actually caught the UEF off guard was that the goel of the Blitz was to significantly damage the logistic infrastructure of the UEF. For the whole 18 months of the war, the GTVA had been trying to capture Sol with its whole infrastructure intact. Steele changed that objective, and that's what the UEF wasn't prepared for.