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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: KewlToyZ on January 03, 2012, 05:19:49 am
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Sad to see how little investment is for Sci-Fi shows anymore....
http://io9.com/5834264/battlestar-galactica-blood-and-chrome-may-get-demoted-back-to-being-a-webseries (http://io9.com/5834264/battlestar-galactica-blood-and-chrome-may-get-demoted-back-to-being-a-webseries)
Looks like they had all of the people hired and made something at one point from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1748706/combined (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1748706/combined)
But apparently they are doing it totally green screen which doesn't seem feasible for any success?
Either way, Happy New Year folks!!!
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But apparently they are doing it totally green screen which doesn't seem feasible for any success?
I got two words for you. Star. Wars. :D
Anyway, Happy New Year to you too!
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Wing Commander III's cut scenes were all against a green screen (maybe a blue screen back then) and that was successful :)
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I read that it had all been filmed, and the CG was done, but Sci-Fi won't commit to airing it.
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But apparently they are doing it totally green screen which doesn't seem feasible for any success?
I got two words for you. Star. Wars. :D
You call that a success?
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syfy is a cruel joke if you like sci-fi, dem ghost hunter reruns ad infinitum and B grade movies.
Too bad our space channel couldn't afford rights to air B&C
But apparently they are doing it totally green screen which doesn't seem feasible for any success?
I got two words for you. Star. Wars. :D
You call that a success?
a mild one I'd say.
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NASA TV needs to get in on this action.
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You call that a success?
Financially? Yes. We can cry about how we hated those movies as long as you like, at the end of the day those movies generated a huge profit. Mission accomplished, they did what they were designed to do.
They don't make the calls whether to air something or not based on the quality of it's plot, or on it's artistic value. They base it on financial projections. Financially, unfortunately, the sw prequels were a huge success. The fact they were a festering heap of rubbish as movies is irrelevant for this discussion.
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I read that it had all been filmed, and the CG was done, but Sci-Fi won't commit to airing it.
After the huge success RDM's BSG was, and then the praise Caprica received, I'm surprised that's the case. Caprica didn't do as well as it should because of all the mid-season finales and breaks.
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Do you honestly expect SyFy to flat out admit that it was their policies that ****ed up Caprica's ratings though?
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You call that a success?
Financially? Yes. We can cry about how we hated those movies as long as you like, at the end of the day those movies generated a huge profit. Mission accomplished, they did what they were designed to do.
They don't make the calls whether to air something or not based on the quality of it's plot, or on it's artistic value. They base it on financial projections. Financially, unfortunately, the sw prequels were a huge success. The fact they were a festering heap of rubbish as movies is irrelevant for this discussion.
I meant success for the end user, not commercially, I assumed that was the angle KewlToyz meant but I suppose I misinterpreted it. Plus I don't think BSG can leverage the same massive populace of masochists to turn slop into dollars like George could count on.
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Do you honestly expect SyFy to flat out admit that it was their policies that ****ed up Caprica's ratings though?
Pff, you never know. There might actually be a smart person somewhere high enough that realized it.
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Do you honestly expect SyFy to flat out admit that it was their policies that ****ed up Caprica's ratings though?
Pff, you never know. There might actually be a smart person somewhere high enough that realized it.
Yeah man totally some...
(http://nukethefridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/sharktopus.png)
one... smart enough.. some... where?
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But apparently they are doing it totally green screen which doesn't seem feasible for any success?
Sanctuary is very near total green screen. Awsome show.
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Sanctuary is very near total green screen. Awsome show.
Have you ever seen a scene where they're in the library? The only thing not green screen are the actors and a table.
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But, it's still a good show.
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not denying that fact. :yes:
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And another somewhat decent example of nothing but green-screen gone wrong: Spy Kids 3D.
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Babylon 5 should be enough proof for everyone that cheesy cheap blue/green screen effects don't have anything to do with how good a show actually is. This discussion went to a weird place, talking about greenscreen and examples of successful shows using the technique, when that has nothing to do with Sci Fi not committing to airing B&C. There can only be two reasons for that decision - they're either waiting for what they perceive as a more opportune moment to air it, or just don't see money in the whole BSG franchise anymore (hell, maybe the B&C pilot really is horrible and they kept it off on those grounds alone - we can't be sure without having seen it). Either way, greenscreen has nothing to do with it.
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No matter how good the green screen, it will never be as good as a proper set, where the actors can actually interact with it.
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Virtual or real sets matter very little.
What little disadvantages virtual sets have compared to real sets, we'll easily overlook with good grace, if the story and/or characters draw us in.
The problem with Star Wars wasn't how much green screen they used. If they'd used real sets, the films might not look as sterile, but they'd still be utter crap for lack of story, characters and pretty much everything else expect special effects (coupled with way too much wannabe slapstick humor).
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SW prequels did had some good characters. Mace Windu comes to mind (Enough is enough! I've got enough of these motherfukkin' Sith in my motherfukkin' galaxy! :)). I also quite liked Darth Maul, as brief as his appearance was. Count Dooku was another good character, though this might be due to who played him (Christopher Lee is a genius, hard to believe he's almost 90). Palpatine wasn't at his best in the first two, but in 3rd, he made up for it. There are some nice concepts, good scenes and memorable characters (almost all of them on The Dark Side. Hmm...), it was just the main plot which was poorly done.
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That and most of the characters either had no personality (Qui-Gon) or were annoying as hell (Jar-Jar).
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...or were annoying as hell (Jar-Jar).
If you're referring to episode one, as irritating as he was in that movie, he isn't that bad in the book. Also, the character is quite likeable in the clone wars episodes.
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SW prequels did had some good characters.
No. They really didn't. With the possible exception of Harry Plinkett.
(talks about Jar-Jar) Also, the character is quite likeable in the clone wars episodes.
This sort of statement ought to be enough to get you permabanned :P
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Well the emperor was cool. The plot line he had was **** but the character was actually pretty good. Even Plinkett liked him!
Dooku was interesting right up until he was revealed to simply be a Sith. The idea of a rogue Jedi who wasn't a sith was an interesting one. Of course Lucas had to **** that up.
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Well the emperor was cool. The plot line he had was **** but the character was actually pretty good. Even Plinkett liked him!
I actually agree, just couldn't be bothered to edit my post because of it :)
Dooku was interesting right up until he was revealed to simply be a Sith. The idea of a rogue Jedi who wasn't a sith was an interesting one. Of course Lucas had to **** that up.
The idea of a rogue jedi, sure. I'd love to have seen a former jedi that's neither black or white, as I'm bored to tears with force users only able to be saints on set kittens on fire. Instead, the implementation of Dooku was.. ugh. Starting from his idiotic name and the whole count Dracula thing he had going on, the character's imbecile-o-meter just kept going up from the moment he was introduced.
But for me, the worst movie character, ever, isn't Dooku. It isn't even Jar-Jar. It's "General Grievous". Even if we ignore the astoundingly unimaginative and downright dumb character name, he was a stupid, pointless character you could effortlessly cut out of the movie without losing anything important. Dumb, evil for the sake of being evil droid that coughs and does the evil cliche villain monlogue thing in every scene he's in. If the movie he's in didn't suffer from ADHD and had to have action in every single scene, I swear they'd probably have had a scene with him explaining his evil plot while sitting in a large armchair behind a massive desk, twirling a mustache, wearing a monocle and a top hat, with a white evil looking cat in his lap. Why not? They had every other massively overdone cliche in movie history in there..
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I'll bet that's in a deleted scene somewhere. :p
It will probably be added back in the Special Edition.
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I'd take that as a joke, but knowing George even that's not safe anymore :P
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Ah, don't forget that he most likely was supposed to tie Padme to railroad tracks, only to be stopped by Anakin. :) I guess it'll be back in Special Edition.
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Wing Commander III's cut scenes were all against a green screen (maybe a blue screen back then) and that was successful :)
Blue screens? I know Wing Commander IV moved from blue screens to actual sets. So is that why they gave all the Borderworlds blue uniforms, to celebrate that they actually could?
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Star Wars became an uneventful & painful series to watch.
Sci Fi shows in general aren't doing much lately on networks.
It seems really difficult for the new writers to be creative and intelligent and find any backing for their talent without it being ruined by marketing morons fraking up the time lines, release dates, air times, etc...
Caprica got killed when it finally had momentum.
Granted it was a slow starter in need of more action.
The soap opera-ish sense of it was difficult to have any patience with as many of us discussed during its planning.
A lot of the concept work surrounding things with B&C lacked any continuity too leading up to BSG.
Which alone makes it tough to lure fans instead of criticism.
The Caprica to Blood & Chrome 'skin job' concept as intriguing as it is would need to be played down quite a bit or written quite intelligently to cover its tracks for continuity of BSG. Hatchet job Easter eggs aren't going to help it.
Also references to the final 5 and 'It will happen again' loops going back to Earth could be complexity or a disaster to the theme.
It's just disappointing the whole thing has stalled.
The darker (non-disney) concept of these series are really what fueled it.
Leave the Disney stuff to Pixar.
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Bummer, the darker R rated Riddick sequel got killed too..
http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/29/vin-diesel-chronicles-of-riddick-movie-production-money-shut-down/#.Ty1m5FwS3BY
But they do a Conan The Barbarian remake?? Blah ......
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Riddick is on...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/53101 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/53101)
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But they do a Conan The Barbarian remake?? Blah ......
They found that everything they make is either a disaster or canceled, so they're dusting off classics.
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http://brusimm.com/battlestar-galactica-blood-chrome-may-be-getting-digitized-again/
Maybe a shred of hope.....
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Frankly, I'm tired of the networks, "SyFy" included, yanking my chain all the time. At this point I'd actually rather they never make it. Gives us more freedom when coming up with 1CW plots and designs.
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Truer statements couldn't be made Newman!
I wish another network outside of them would take over the Sci-Fi gendre completely because they have ran it into the ground for awhile now.
http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1151196/whats_happened_to_battlestar_galactica_blood_chrome.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A0ixAkA5bng
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Hmmmmm. I'll reserve judgement for now. A few things I didn't like in that trailer might turn out to be due to the fast cuts.
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fap fap fap
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Kind of odd they used the exact same Reznor version of Immigrant Song as the Dragon Tattoo trailer the piece was originally commissioned for - why? But good trailer.
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Little early to tell, that style trailer doesn't really lend itself to showing off the stuff I find important in Galactica. Cautiously unimpressed at the moment.
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Little early to tell, that style trailer doesn't really lend itself to showing off the stuff I find important in Galactica. Cautiously unimpressed at the moment.
By and large I agree, but I do think it's fairly pretty. Let's hope they understand how to do the understated, naturalistic camerawork that made the early seasons so great.
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The one thing that has me worried are those flight deck scenes. They look like something out of a mid nineties video game. They must have scrapped the set and couldn't build it again, which is sad. Everything else looked pretty cool.
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The one thing that has me worried are those flight deck scenes. They look like something out of a mid nineties video game. They must have scrapped the set and couldn't build it again, which is sad. Everything else looked pretty cool.
All the sets are apparently CGI.
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CGI that looks...unfinished compared to what BSG had. This seriously looks like a cartoon.
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NBC U already blocked it on copyright grounds. Anyone know where I could still find it? I was at work when the trailer came out.
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The teaser is still live here. (http://www.craveonline.com/tv/previews/185203-battlestar-galactica-blood-a-chrome-teaser-trailer)
Assuming that was Galactica's hangar deck, redoing the set in CG gave them the opportunity to fix something that always bothered me a little, namely that it was so cozy. You could barely fit a Raptor into it, so where were those giant three-story shuttles supposed to park? Now it's about twice as wide and, as a bonus, the parking slots for the Vipers are multi-level and have neat little elevators built into them, which helps explain the mystery of how they were able to just push the ships from one flight pod to the other in the miniseries.
I knew the virtual sets would require a bit of stylization, and I feel like they've carried it off well. The fact is, this isn't James Cameron's Blood and Chrome, and they couldn't take ten years and eleventy billion dollars to make it look perfectly real.
The only production-design things I'm not quite sanguine about are the new-old Centurions (hopefully the old-old Centurions will appear along side them, since I really liked the multiple Cylon models in the Caprica finale), and the new-old Basestar (which looks suspiciously like someone took the top half of the Guardian Basestar from "Razor," duplicated and flipped it so it'd be symmetrical, then superimposed it over the TOS Basestar model).
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They released the official OST track that will be seen in the intro of the show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wUuxgJUrk
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Official word has finally come out.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/battlestar-galactica-blood-and-chrome-cancelled-syfy/
Short version:
They've decided not to pick up the show as a regular series. They're considering doing it as an on-line show but, personally, I don't see how that could possibly make business sense.
The pilot movie will be aired on TV at some point in the future.
The teaser/trailer/sizzle reel that leaked wasn't really supposed to be at the convention where it debuted, and was intended only for internal viewing, so they didn't run it through clearance for the music (among other things), which is probably why NBCU is totally ****ting themselves trying to get it off the web before Trent Reznor or Led Zepplin or whoever sues them.
ETA: I totally did not realize this board had a profanity filter.
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NBCU should just stop ruining the entire Sci-Fi gendre
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Why? They are doing such a bang up job at it.
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lol Liberator =)
Actually if I could watch it on Hulu I'd be happy to drop cable altogether and just use cable for my internet.
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I actually got a laugh out of someone on Hard Light? The World...she is ending...
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that was actually genuinely pretty funny
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Indeed. I chuckled too. :D
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The best humor is in truth I guess.
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The truth is always far more interesting and damned funny if you endure long enough :D
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for me the sci-fi genre has been dead on tv ever since i took off my name tag (and before I put it on the only sci-fi series left was stargate) seriously there hasn't been a good sci-fi (for me that means IN SPACE!) on tv, in arms reach(dr. who is good but i don't get bbc) for years.
p.s. for those who hate the starwars prequels you should check out the darthsanddroids web comic they have done the impossible they made jarjar likable and restored general grievous to his former awesomeness :D
p.s.s. by name tag i mean those tags you see mormon missionaries wear with the white shirt and tie.
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Babylon 5 should be enough proof for everyone that cheesy cheap blue/green screen effects don't have anything to do with how good a show actually is.
What does Babylon 5 have to do with green screen?? Given that the vast majority of that show was shot on real sets.
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I think what he tried to say is, that Babylon 5 showed that you can make a good sci-fi show, even without excessive green/blue screen.
In other words, unless I'm mistaken, you're arguing the same point.
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Norbert is right, but either way I fail to see the point of quoting something that was said 3 months ago, and wasn't all that relevant to the topic in the first place. If you're going to quote someone, do it with something recent while that person still remembers the actual conversation :)
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Watching Caprica all the way through again because it beats anything else the bozo's air anymore, of course it was cancelled too =P
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A TV exec in an Armani suit is a miracle in motion because nowhere else will you see a 3 piece suit moving around on it's own because it's empty.
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I think I would enjoy making it move in a bathtub with the bare wires from a 440 circuit =P
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Hmmm ok =P
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