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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Crybertrance on January 18, 2012, 12:35:24 am
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This is plain OUTRAGEOUS :mad:! The links say it all guys..
- https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/SOPA/Blackoutpage
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fPVJrcb&pv=170
If you have been living under a rock (like I did) and don't know what the hell we are talking about, watch this video (courtesy of Vimeo):
- http://vimeo.com/31100268
And if you are wondering how it will effect all our lives:
- http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/design/how-sopa-pipa-can-affect-you/
Post your views here!
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hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79361.0
There's already a thread for this
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The whole internet has been blasted with news of this for weeks. We're not idiots. (And by that I mean HLP. The internet as a whole is pretty much idiots.)
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There's alway's Conservapedia http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page (http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page) if you're missing a education resource. :p
I think John Stewart had it right, this whole thing is to sad to take to seriously.
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Oh NOES! This calls for a RED ALERT!
Wait, no, the other thread had that one covered.
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There's alway's Conservapedia http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page (http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page) if you're missing a education resource. :p
http://www.conservapedia.com/SOPA
The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) (also known as House Bill 3261 or H.R. 3261) is a bill demanded by wealthy liberals in Hollywood[Citation Needed] and the music industry, who are massive contributors to the Democratic Party. If passed, this bill would impose a number of controversial measures for dealing with online piracy including the distribution of copyrighted material via the internet. The Attorney General would be able to close down websites that infringe copyrights, and ban the site from online payment mechanisms such as PayPal and Visa. He could also prohibit the sites' online advertising, and disable Google from ranking and linking to infringing sites.
It is publicly supported by liberal Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), who enables it to be pushed through the U.S. Senate. Barack Obama is probably signaling his support behind the scenes, while publicly pretending to be reasonable. House Judiciary Committee Chair Lamar Smith (R-TX) has also supported it.
Proponents of the bill claim that it exists to protect the intellectual properties, and revenue of copyright holders, and is necessary to enforce copyright laws in the US. However, opponents state that it violates the First Amendment, that it will cripple and ultimately destroy the Internet, and will threaten online free speech. Some critics have likened this bill to China's Great Firewall.
Those supporting the bill include television and music companies (and their trade group, the Recording Industry Association of America), whilst critics include Google, Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia, Yahoo!, and Mozilla, the creators of Firefox.
The Obama Administration released a statement which read, in part, "we will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet. Any effort to combat online piracy must guard against the risk of online censorship of lawful activity and must not inhibit innovation by our dynamic businesses large and small."[1] In political terms, such a statement means that the politician may sign the bad bill[Citation Needed] but then claim it does not harm anything.
**** man, this really is the whole Internet united isn't it?
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NDAA, SOPA, PIPA, sure sounds like it's approaching the Enabling Act of 1933. That didn't turn out too well when passed.. It's important to take it serious even if it's so brazen and unreal for most (especially if you don't research this) but it's something that cannot be laughed away.
On a positive note, the opposition to these bills shows that we do have power, and that with sufficient opposition and resistance such things can't pass.
However, the voting and signing of the NDAA bill makes those that voted for it effectively traitors (By definition of the constitution and bill of rights) so who knows if they'll even listen. It however reveals them to not represent the people.
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Oh NOES! This calls for a RED ALERT!
Wait, no, the other thread had that one covered.
hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79361.0
There's already a thread for this
The whole internet has been blasted with news of this for weeks. We're not idiots. (And by that I mean HLP. The internet as a whole is pretty much idiots.)
Oh, sorry guys, just did a really quick search on the forums earlier today and found no matches for "SOPA" and "PIPA" (keywords I used), so I pretty much assumed that you guys were ignorant about this :nono: Anyways, my bad...
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Make sure and contact your congressional representatives and voice your opposition.
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Oh, sorry guys, just did a really quick search on the forums earlier today and found no matches for "SOPA" and "PIPA" (keywords I used), so I pretty much assumed that you guys were ignorant about this :nono: Anyways, my bad...
Blame FlamingCobra for that.
Herp derp, let's make a thread with a non-descriptive title!
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I'm not eligible to do this whole contacting Congress thing
Being Canadian and watching Americans run around with their heads cut off like chickens with all these bills is highly amusing
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I'm not eligible to do this whole contacting Congress thing
Being Canadian and watching Americans run around with their heads cut off like chickens with all these bills is highly amusing
Yeh... I'm not laughing tho, as they are sort of holding the hatched over all our (Internet) heads.
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I'm not eligible to do this whole contacting Congress thing
Being Canadian and watching Americans run around with their heads cut off like chickens with all these bills is highly amusing
Think chickens with proximity nuclear bombs, and you get a bit closer to my view...
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Or the fact that we're likely to follow suit with the US on most things like this if it passes anyway.
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I'm not eligible to do this whole contacting Congress thing
Some advice I've seen going around, if you're up for it, is to contact the State Department and express your concerns there.
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My advice on what to do with guys who invented these laws: hang em' high. I'd drown them in a glass of water if I could. How could a society so proud about their freedom even think of such a thing?
I thought the bills Polish government passes are stupid, but those two top all of them. I can see massive losses America would take should they try to censor Internet like that, I doubt all those companies that support those bills really know what it would bring on them. Also, isn't that against the American constitution (heck, maybe even Declaration of Independence, considering this is an attack on freedom of speech)?
Surely, if US adopts this, Poland (and most likely also EU) will follow suit. Especially Poles have a long tradition of such sheepish behavior (anything French/Russian/American/Whatever country is fashionable at the time is automatically good), but EU government also gets it's "sheepish idiot" moments.
[/rant about government stupidity]
Anyway, I almost wish I lived in US and could call the State Department about this.
Also, if they're allowed to do that with "copyrighted content", then they'll sooner or later do this with "anti-government" content, nudity, swearing and anything vaguely "immoral".
I only hope that US people will see what's happening and the bills will not pass.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831
Seems like it made an impact...
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Wait, Andy Schlafly is against something that liberals are against, too? Holy mother of...
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i don't think this was really ever a liberal-conservative thing. it might have leaned a little bit more liberal because of the control side of it, but it was mostly just about money. MPAA and similar want to stay relevant while their industries changes around them, and are willing to spend huge amounts on lobbying (i would imagine more than they would save if successful) to that end.
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i don't know if these guys are sane or somewhere in between, but they protested anyways:here (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
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Silly americans.
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What I love about this day of protest is how quickly the politicians who backed SOPA and PIPA are realising that it was a ****ing bad idea to back it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831
8 down already.
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huzzah!
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Let us hope that, come election time, everyone remembers this bull****.
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Let us hope that, come election time, everyone remembers this bull****.
CONSPIRACY THEORY
part of me thinks that could have been the point. Get a few sacrificial congressmen (not even really sacrificial, the odds of this actually getting someone beat are probably pretty low) to introduce absurd bill with no intention to actually pass it, then all the others can claim taking a stand against it.
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INTERNETS, 18th of January 2012.
PRESS RELEASE, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would "do for the eye what the phonograph does for
the ear". He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person
to own the copyright to a motion picture.
Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call
Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.
There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them - like
Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.
So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they
circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works,
without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they're all successful and most of the
studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations - it's all based on being
able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules.
The reason they are always complainting about "pirates" today is simple. We've done what they did. We circumvented the
rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow
people to have direct communication between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take
over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
It's all based on the fact that we're competition.
We've proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We're just better than they are.
And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech.
We see all people as equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the nation. We believe that laws
should be created to serve the public, not the rich corporations.
The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is spread all over the globe - but we've stayed out of the
USA. We have Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this:
The word SOPA means "trash" in Swedish. The word PIPA means "a pipe" in Swedish. This is of course not a coincidence.
They want to make the internet inte a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the
rest of us obedient consumers.
The public opinion on this matter is clear. Ask anyone on the street and you'll learn that noone wants to be fed with
trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that
you will stop them, before we all drown.
SOPA can't do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we'll change top level domain from our current .org to one of the
hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to
mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really.
To fix the "problem of piracy" one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they're
creating "culture" but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls
become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching
movies and tv shows that make them think that they're fat.
In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones
is Hollywood. With that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was happy with MySpace and had
no problems with their own piracy until it failed. Now he's complainting that Google is the biggest source of piracy
in the world - because he's jealous. He wants to retain his mind control over people and clearly you'd get a more
honest view of things on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.
Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release. The reason is that we can't access this information
when Wikipedia is blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We're sorry for that.
THE PIRATE BAY, (K)2012
xD
I thought it was funny
The bold part is what made me fall out of my chair
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(http://www.ratemyfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/stop-music-piracy-640x1016.jpg)
So support SOPA. Because she looks like she deserves money.
But, i'd still download a car....
So sign this petition (https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/) that i did.
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IMO, this is when we have to watch closely. If rejected, congress will let it die down for a while and then when no body is watching add it to the back of a junk bill.
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we really need a constitutional amendment that requires seperate bills for seperate issues. piggybacking scummy and often borderline unconstitutional laws on routine legislation like the budget is a disgusting practice.
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Soooo, has the bill died? :confused: :confused:
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completely, i seriously doubt it. for the time being, perhaps.
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Bills like these are like Dracula: they need to be decapitated and then staked to the ground through their hearts to prevent them from coming back.
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Ok, so I finally got around to calling my representatives in Congress. Well, I got through to two of the three representatives' offices; the third was going to put me on hold, but in that case, the senator had already publicly expressed his opposition to the bills.
* jg18 awards himself one point of productivity for the day.
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we really need a constitutional amendment that requires seperate bills for seperate issues. piggybacking scummy and often borderline unconstitutional laws on routine legislation like the budget is a disgusting practice.
It astounds me that this has not become an issue previously. Then again, both your political parties like to pull that trick; it just happens to be the Republicans doing it more often right now.
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Bills like these are like Dracula: they need to be decapitated and then staked to the ground through their hearts to prevent them from coming back.
And, much like Dracula, when light exposes such bills, they hide into the dark waiting for you to go to sleep before striking. Probably when something else catches collective attention, such as NDAA in New Year's Eve.
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are you kidding, the real dracula would have just impaled all these ****s :D
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we really need a constitutional amendment that requires seperate bills for seperate issues. piggybacking scummy and often borderline unconstitutional laws on routine legislation like the budget is a disgusting practice.
:yes:
Except that line-item veto is considered unconstitutional.
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we really need a constitutional amendment that requires seperate bills for seperate issues. piggybacking scummy and often borderline unconstitutional laws on routine legislation like the budget is a disgusting practice.
:yes:
Except that line-item veto is considered unconstitutional.
the line item veto AFAIK was really only meant to cut down on pork barrel spending; things that on their own wouldn't even merit discussion in congress.
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Oh, sorry guys, just did a really quick search on the forums earlier today and found no matches for "SOPA" and "PIPA" (keywords I used), so I pretty much assumed that you guys were ignorant about this :nono: Anyways, my bad...
Blame FlamingCobra for that.
Herp derp, let's make a thread with a non-descriptive title!
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001907363/3417246333_50266_221691363222_2764753_n_xlarge.jpeg)
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we really need a constitutional amendment that requires seperate bills for seperate issues. piggybacking scummy and often borderline unconstitutional laws on routine legislation like the budget is a disgusting practice.
:yes:
Except that line-item veto is considered unconstitutional.
that i agree with. line-item vetoing allows a single person, the president, to effectively pass legislation as he sees fit. debates and compromises in congress become meaningless if all of the changes made in the process can be selectively discarded when the bill is signed. the president isn't allowed to create legislation, only approve what congress creates.
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maybe if congress did its job in an honorable manner. . .
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Bills like these are like Dracula: they need to be decapitated and then staked to the ground through their hearts to prevent them from coming back.
And, much like Dracula, when light exposes such bills, they hide into the dark waiting for you to go to sleep before striking. Probably when something else catches collective attention, such as NDAA in New Year's Eve.
Except that that's a conceit of the liberal media. Any research into the original sources will show up the scene in Stoker's book where Dracula was up and moving around in the streets of London at high noon.
maybe if congress did its job in an honorable manner. . .
Oh, come on, try to base your statements in something vaguely resembling reality. No, I'm not directing that towards the dracula-related discussion. Just the 'honorable politician' bit.
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maybe if congress did its job in an honorable manner. . .
Congress
Opposite to Progress
Just an old joke that this sentence reminded me of
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Well, on TUE there's a protest against ACTA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFyoEKV0dE) in Warsaw, Poland.
Anonymous already seems to be pretty busy with sejm.gov.pl ...
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Oh yeah, their support was crucial in stopping SOPA, so it will work here, too... oh, wait. Honestly, I don't know what they're trying to accomplish here.
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Anonymous? Accomplish? No no... Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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as a lord and master of the nihilistic un-order of killer evil earth-murderers (yes, nuke 'em), i sort of understand where anonymous is coming from. we have had thousands of years to get it right. the one thing we have not tried is to involk a voluntary nuclear holocaust. in that survivors of said nuclear holocaust will see their fallen empire and come up with new ideas about how to order their society. so that future generations do not forget what we will unleash, it is neccisary to have lingering radiation to remind them, therefore rods from god type installations probably are not suited to the job. in the event of our total extinction the next intelegent species should be able to detect background radiation and find the history of our dead civilization in their fossil record and will learn from it.
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anonymous is a group of ****ing loosers who try to delude themselves into thinking their lives are worth **** by "hacking" sites of people that represent "the man." i put hacking in quotes because i'm not sure you can really call a DDoS attack hacking. and that's all i've ever heard of them doing.
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they do properly hack sites, granted it is typically script kiddie type stuff, but it is technically hacking.
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as much as i agree with them in principal, their effectiveness leaves something to be desired. to me hacking requires actual ingenuity instead of running pre-existing scripts downloaded from the net. though you could legally define them as hackers.
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well, the DDOS attack ,they used against the sites to effectivly take em down, are indeed very simple. And yes, there are scripts and tools for that, so everyone can do that. Thats not really hacking, its just making sure that the server is to busy with the DDOS attacks, so it doesnt answer anymore to normal requests. You just need a lot people to do that (they had about 5000 as far i heard).
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but in the end all it does is block a website for a short while. and requires constant effort from their end to do it. as for agreeing with them on principle, they don't have any. they just go after whatever high-profile thing they can to create the biggest fuss possible.
.... wait, that was nuke that said that wasn't it? nevermind.
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Its technically online rioting.
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as for agreeing with them on principle, they don't have any.
exactly! now you understand. join us and we can detonate glorious weapons together.
</lame attempt to fill a n.u.k.e.-'e.m. cabinet positions with actual nuclear engineers>
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i'm almost ashamed to admit this, but i know little more about weapons than any other normal guy. power reactors is my area.
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you get the whole implosion->super-critical mass->extreme runaway reaction thing right? if so I'm sure you know the math well enough that you would be able to build one if you were time traveled into 1940 and accidentally killed Oppenheimer during your entry.
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well yeah i know the basic physics of it, which is why i said the bit about an average person. most generally intelligent people can grasp that, but the actual engineering of constructing such a device is rather more tricky. and the math (if done right and not just crude approximations) is retardedly involved.
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I think you would have a considerable advantage over the average person.
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sometimes i question how many failed detonation attempts occurred before the trinity test, and were subsequently covered up by the government. the very naim trinity may seem to indicate that there may have been 2 tests prior to that. i very much doubt they got it right the first time. the fact that they didnt even bother to test little boy rings fishy to me (the "it is so simple its guaranteed to work" thing just doesn't seem like how you would proceed with weapons testing). leads be to believe that maybe they conducted a little bit more science and fine tuning than they led us to believe.
I think you would have a considerable advantage over the average person.
i think as far as engineering goes the hardest part is the enrichment process. once you have weapons grade material it becomes a basic mechanical problem. or at least thats how i understood it.
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yeah, from what I understand if you have uranium that is enriched enough you could simply take two chunks and smash them together really hard with your hands and they'd go off.
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well, not quite. you'd get a criticality, yes, but you'd have to smash REALLY ****ing hard to get a super prompt criticality. (don't fact check me please, i'm talking out of my ass from memory here :P)
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yeah, from what I understand if you have uranium that is enriched enough you could simply take two chunks and smash them together really hard with your hands and they'd go off.
Actually this has happened before. Look up the "Demon Core;" it was a core of plutonium that was involved in two accidents here in the U.S. and it poisoned several people. The first time, a guy was playing around with tungsten carbide reflectors and he moved them too close, causing it to go critical. The second time, another scientist was playing around with reflectors, his hand slipped and it went supercritical again, and Darwin'd the guy who made the mistake.
In bomb, however, it's much, MUCH more difficult. The process doesn't have to simply cause the core of the weapon to go supercritical, it has to sustain supercriticality. Since the reactions produce heat, and therefore expansion, there has to be a force opposing the expansion until the levels of energy released are sufficient to cause the weapon to produce catastrophic damage.
While the gun-type weapon is fairly simple, you need a lot of fissile material and the process is very inefficient. "Little Boy" was a gun-type and the gun-type was never officially tested before they dropped it; theoretically, it was a simple design. "Trinity" was the first implosion-type nuclear device tested; implosion weapons are far more complex than the gun-type and require immensely precise design, machining, and timing to even work.
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Requesting Mods to change thread title to
"Save our Internet (Thread against SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA (http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/26/meet-sopas-evil-twin-acta/))"
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i have a reputation for being lazy to uphold, i cant be fragging up every thread that goes offtopic.
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To the members from the US, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea:
What changed since ACTA was signed in your countries? Is it something really so evil that it's worth all the protests and panic?
Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement#Polish_parliament
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Sorry for 2 posts, but this might be on topic...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086310/Richard-ODwyer-extradition-Student-faces-10-years-US-jail-echo-Gary-McKinnon.html
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You need not apologize, man. That's a flat-out disgusting act on part of my government, and a spineless act on part of the British legal system.
Mind you, it's on a slightly different tangent than the initial objective of the thread, but is a good example of what might come to pass if the bills in question by this thread come to pass. The only thing more heinous than a case like this, is someone getting a life sentance for posession of marajuana, or multiple counts of petty theft. That's not justice, that's stupidity at work, enforcing fear over reason.
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And to think the UK didn't even sign ACTA yet...
Guess Anonymous is right with the fear-mongering, and even more than anyone thinks...
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Bill C-11 in Canada
http://dearthey.com/2012/01/26/a-copyright-quickie-canada-is-about-to-pass-sopas-evil-little-brother-politely/
Like your PVR? You can’t keep it under C-11.
Like ripping CDs to your iPod? Say bye-bye.
Hey, do you want to be able to unlock your $500 smartphone and take it to a provider less dedicated to violating your wallet? That won’t be allowed either.
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Well, on the bright side, at least we now know that our evil self-centered govenmental overlords are openly revealing themselves as evil.
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Guess it's time to break out red berets and AKs. Viva La Revolucion! Down with the oppressors! :)
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Bill C-11 in Canada
http://dearthey.com/2012/01/26/a-copyright-quickie-canada-is-about-to-pass-sopas-evil-little-brother-politely/
Like your PVR? You can’t keep it under C-11.
Like ripping CDs to your iPod? Say bye-bye.
Hey, do you want to be able to unlock your $500 smartphone and take it to a provider less dedicated to violating your wallet? That won’t be allowed either.
Don't believe all the hype: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=5134851
Read the debate. This thing is a long way from passing, in any form.
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Bill C-11 in Canada
http://dearthey.com/2012/01/26/a-copyright-quickie-canada-is-about-to-pass-sopas-evil-little-brother-politely/
Like your PVR? You can’t keep it under C-11.
Like ripping CDs to your iPod? Say bye-bye.
Hey, do you want to be able to unlock your $500 smartphone and take it to a provider less dedicated to violating your wallet? That won’t be allowed either.
Don't believe all the hype: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=5134851
Read the debate. This thing is a long way from passing, in any form.
Ah don't worry myte, I don't believe much of anything from anyone. I was merely bringing up yet another wonderful thing
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Guess it's time to break out red berets and AKs. Viva La Revolucion! Down with the oppressors! :)
when you're mad as hell and you just can't take it anymore, grab your gun and run outside. if you're the only one there, it's not time yet.
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Guess it's time to break out red berets and AKs. Viva La Revolucion! Down with the oppressors! :)
when you're mad as hell and you just can't take it anymore, grab your gun and run outside. if you're the only one there, it's not time yet.
Of course I'm the only one there. There's no other houses within a mile, deer season's over, and it's the middle of winter.
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Well then go to the nearest town, pull yer canon out of the car, and then see if your the only one.
If not then it is time.
However if the only person with a gun in sight is the local sheriff, put the gun back in the car and go home- it ain't time. :P
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not so fast. small town local sherriffs will probably be leading the charge :lol:
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Well heck, the community parking lot is in between the pawn shop, the church, the bank, the barber shop and the bar. Of COURSE there's going to be rednecks with rifles around. They never take 'em out of their gunracks.
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ok let's be more specific. other ANGRY people HOLDING their guns and shouting RABLE RABLE RABLE!
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ok let's be more specific. other ANGRY people HOLDING their guns and shouting RABLE RABLE RABLE!
That's called an NRA meeting.
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stop paying the entertainment industry for drivel, and perhaps they will run out of lobbying money with which to buy politicians. that way they cant break the internet.
of course random acts of rebellion, theft, destruction of property, assassination, terrorism, and nuclear warfare against the entertainment industry is surely a viable alternative. but dont think of it as violence, think of it as surgery, were removing a tumor from americas genitals.
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think of it as surgery, were removing a tumor from americas genitals.
:lol: :yes:
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of course random acts of rebellion, theft, destruction of property, assassination, terrorism, and nuclear warfare against the entertainment industry is surely a viable alternative.
I'm somewhat partial to arson + diabolical laugher combo myself. But otherwise agreed.
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Give them several warning castrations before you nuke them.
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i intend to leave a smily face made out of impaled lawyers on their lawn first.
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i intend to leave a smily face made out of impaled lawyers on their lawn first.
It's a good start
I really shouldn't say that... my sister is on her way to be a lawyer...
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Lawyers. The most capable of covering ass and highly pesimistic and suspicious of others (surprised cops aren't more suspicious of people). We just need to separate the **** hops (bad lawyers) from the normal born (good lawyers).
So, we get a whole bunch of music artists of today and the past together. ALL OF THEM. We'll have them sing some crappy song. Media companies will be going for take down notices claiming bogus copyright ownership on youtube or any service that has the crappy song streamed.
This should separate any bad lawyer from good lawyer pretty good and get them all in one spot. The only problem with the modern day is something called internet communication and phone calls that **** up gatherings. So, we can't just lure everyone to one physical location and launch a nuke. I'm more for a hunting campaign where we maim bad lawyers via desacking (the one where the victim keeps their balls, just not the container).
Aside from that, we should perhaps give criminal lawyers a chance to prove themselves. After all, a good criminal lawyer is the one that's working for you.
This thread is interesting now. While we are thinking of this. Politicians and big corporations will seek to further making everybody live under unreasonable fear and make the dollar less effective as to make saving money next to impossible in the later future. Then again, there's really not much to do other than giving a call to a state senator, or signing a petition, and protesting. How great are we to do nothing more than make elected officials afraid of possibly not getting elected again. I understand at many times that's a great motivator for elected officials. But, even say one of them doesn't care about getting re-elected next term, they can still **** up a lot of **** in the mean time leaving us to think wtf else we can do that wont send us to jail for a couple of years because the above wasn't enough.
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the problem with a 2 party system is that it encourages a follow the herd kind of voting behavior. it occurred to me some years ago when i started voting that neither side really sees it my way. i may agree with republicans on a couple points and the democrats on a couple more. and every politician i look into voting for might agree with me on a few points, but the items of contention always seem to outnumber the ones we agree on with any given politician. in the end i just started voting for whoever i thought would be most likely to launch nuclear weapons during the course of their time in office.
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This why my dad stopped being a lawyer after 20 years. It really conflicted with him being a stand up guy. And he would hand pick the cases where he would work for the people who were in the right that needed a lawyer. After 20 years of that and those decisions that do change how much he made every month, he said **** it.
I don't see learning law as a bad thing (because it's of course not). But, there appears to be more crony lawyers than not. And even more crony elected officials than anything else. And also law enforcement that'll trick you into waving your rights (how scummy) and treat you as anything but with respect. Which brought up an interesting thought. What if all law enforcement people were required to pass the bar exam and take a manners/anger management classes?
But, don't cross a lawyer anyway. Most are smart mother****ers.
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Anyone heard about TPP? According to Fight For the Future:
SOPA's supporters are pushing two agreements: ACTA and TPP1. ACTA would criminalize users, encourage internet providers to spy on you, and make it easier for media companies to sue sites out of existence and jail their founders. Sound familiar? That's right, ACTA is from the same playbook as SOPA, but global. Plus it didn't even have to pass through Congress2.
TPP goes even farther than ACTA, and the process has been even more secretive and corrupt. Last weekend (we wish this was a joke) trade negotiators partied with MPAA (pro-SOPA) lobbyists before secret negotiations in a Hollywood hotel, while public interest groups were barred from meeting in the same building.3
Trade agreements are a gaping loophole, a secretive backdoor track that--even though it creates new laws--is miles removed from democracy. Trade negotiators are unelected and unaccountable, so these agreements have been very hard for internet rights groups to stop.
But now the tide is turning. Fueled by the movement to stop SOPA, anti-ACTA protests are breaking out across the EU, which hasn't ratified ACTA. The protests are having an impact: leaders in Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia have backtracked on ACTA.4 Now a massive round of street protests in over 200 cities is planned for this Saturday February 11th.
Below is the link for their petition.
http://killacta.org/