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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grizzly on February 22, 2012, 01:23:20 pm
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Basically the dude is making up claims. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands-rick-santorums-bogus-statistics/2012/02/21/gIQAJaRbSR_blog.htm).
It's frightening that these tactics apperently work... Although now it is getting a little bit personal due to my nationality, I am curious why "The Netherlands" was mentioned as an example, and not, say, France.
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Making **** up FTW.
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Because everyone knows the French wouldn't willingly accept death
They'd cower in fear, trying to form a jagged alliance with the cancer in order to gain a few more years
Though, on a sidenote, I don't see what's so wrong about euthanasia
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Though, on a sidenote, I don't see what's so wrong about euthanasia
Because if you start off with the premise that God owns everything in the universe (Deuteronomy 10:14) then humans must belong to god, combined with "though shalt not kill" (somewhere in Exodus) then killing a person, even if they want it is akin to stealing from God.
If you mean, why do actual Christian Right types not like it? Then its because they just don't, but a majority think that war is a'ight. (in the sense that being a soldier isn't a sin)
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The issue with euthanasia is where does it stop and who has the authority to decide in cases where the subject is unable to communicate. Like with anything else it is not always a clear cut decision and when dealing with taking a persons life a decision to be approached with caution.
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The issue with euthanasia is where does it stop and who has the authority to decide in cases where the subject is unable to communicate. Like with anything else it is not always a clear cut decision and when dealing with taking a persons life a decision to be approached with caution.
:yes:
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The issue with euthanasia is where does it stop and who has the authority to decide in cases where the subject is unable to communicate. Like with anything else it is not always a clear cut decision and when dealing with taking a persons life a decision to be approached with caution.
Though the US state of Oregon and the Netherlands, to name two places where it is legal, have both done an admirable job of ensuring protection for the vulnerable while giving people the right to die with dignity.
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The issue with euthanasia is where does it stop and who has the authority to decide in cases where the subject is unable to communicate. Like with anything else it is not always a clear cut decision and when dealing with taking a persons life a decision to be approached with caution.
Though the US state of Oregon and the Netherlands, to name two places where it is legal, have both done an admirable job of ensuring protection for the vulnerable while giving people the right to die with dignity.
I am not saying it's impossible just that it's an issue that has to be approached with caution.
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Yeah, and they seem to be pretty solid. They obviously put a lot of effort into making sure the laws were written well. Where the laws are listed in the article, I really like that they have to decide themselves and insist multiple times. The redundancy on doctors' opinions before the patient is euthenized is probably the best provision there.
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The specific issue aside, Santorum spewing blatant lies doesn't surprise me in the least. He had a really great line about climate change the other day.
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Though, on a sidenote, I don't see what's so wrong about euthanasia
Because if you start off with the premise that God owns everything in the universe (Deuteronomy 10:14) then humans must belong to god, combined with "though shalt not kill" (somewhere in Exodus) then killing a person, even if they want it is akin to stealing from God.
If you mean, why do actual Christian Right types not like it? Then its because they just don't, but a majority think that war is a'ight. (in the sense that being a soldier isn't a sin)
Kill is not the correct translation. Murder is. Kill =/= Murder. Thou shall not murder.
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In which case Euthenasia is not murder. So there is no reason Christians should oppose it, right?
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Kill is not the correct translation. Murder is. Kill =/= Murder. Thou shall not murder.
Statement of dubious correctness. This is a popular sentiment in some camps, admittedly, but the original phraseology is much more ambiguous than that.
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thread break. everyone go watch the south park episode where kenny is on life support in a coma.
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why euthanize when you can impale?
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http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/ratsach.html
I suppose you could argue that there are multiple definitions. I would then argue that you need to take its use in context. Obviously, if capital punishment and wars are mandated, and killing in defense of one's home is permitted, it doesn't mean "do not take life, period". It means, do not murder.
But we digress...
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Basically the dude is making up claims. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands-rick-santorums-bogus-statistics/2012/02/21/gIQAJaRbSR_blog.htm).
It's frightening that these tactics apperently work... Although now it is getting a little bit personal due to my nationality, I am curious why "The Netherlands" was mentioned as an example, and not, say, France.
Because everyone knows this is what happens in countries where five year olds smoke pot on every street corner.
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Damn it. Someone's going to fall for it. I know someone's going to fall for it. I know you too well HLP, you love your knee-jerk reactions SO much, that I just know someone is going to fall for the Poeslaw. Even if they see this post, it makes no difference. Oh well... :sigh:
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Damn it. Someone's going to fall for it. I know someone's going to fall for it. I know you too well HLP, you love your knee-jerk reactions SO much, that I just know someone is going to fall for the Poeslaw. Even if they see this post, it makes no difference. Oh well... :sigh:
nnnnnnnnrrrrrrrgk. Now you said it... I can't think about anything else
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Basically the dude is making up claims. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands-rick-santorums-bogus-statistics/2012/02/21/gIQAJaRbSR_blog.htm).
It's frightening that these tactics apperently work... Although now it is getting a little bit personal due to my nationality, I am curious why "The Netherlands" was mentioned as an example, and not, say, France.
Because everyone knows this is what happens in countries where five year olds smoke pot on every street corner.
That's actually what I really want to tell the guy if I ever meet him: No man! We are not into euthinazing people! We're too busy doing drugs to be bothered learning the procedure! :P.
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Oh I forgot, this is Geriatric Discussion. :beamz:
Anyway, I can think of some reasons why the Netherlands was singled out. One, it happened passed some law recently that a conservative website picked up on. Two, it's small and obscure enough (no offense to the Dutch) that no one is likely to say, "Hey, I just went on vacation there and I didn't see those bracelets anywhere!" Or if they did vacation there, they're liberals because it had to be for the weed and hookers.
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One, it happened passed some law recently that a conservative website picked up on.
It did? I thought the anti-immigrant anti-muslim stance the Netherlands has been taking the past few years would appeal to the conservatives in the USA. Do you have any idea of any law in particular in recent times?
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Wasn't there some law mentioned in the article? Otherwise, I don't know.