Post by: wEvil on June 08, 2002, 04:33:32 pm
Essentially its an extension of the threads i've been occasionally spamming the NW and Hard Light forums with.
I'd like to start with a new Solarian League Cruiser i've just finished today -
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/cruiser.jpg)
If anyone's interested in doing anything just post it in here. Just one thing...try to make the ships origional (form following function, that sort of thing)
*edit*
why the hell does everything look so dark? is a TNT2's image quality really THIS crappy? i know i make everything on a dedicated graphics rig but still...shouldnt look this bad on an Nvidia board...
Post by: an0n on June 08, 2002, 04:34:52 pm
Post by: Shrike on June 08, 2002, 04:36:02 pm
Post by: Alikchi on June 08, 2002, 04:43:37 pm
Post by: wEvil on June 08, 2002, 04:43:39 pm
Irae
Union
Solarian Spacedock
Solarian Ships (done the dread and the cruiser..which are pictured above)
SKM Vessels (Nike, Star Knight, Heracles)
Vasudan Vessels (havent got a clue)
TSI Vindicator
TSI Battleship (i'm working on the dread)
Shrike, the (3D) lightings' fine on my other machine (which is properly calibrated for print...or it should be) so maybe the contrast/brightness on your monitor needs tweaking..dunno. ill have to look on a few other boxes and find out why it suddenly goes so dark.
Alikchi - yep, i'm trying to stick to a similar design ethos for each factions' ships. If I didn't things would probably get pretty messy.
Obviously "2nd generation" sol designs like the irae will look different.
Post by: Ace on June 08, 2002, 04:50:48 pm
Ankhul Cruiser
Thutmose class Assault Carrier
Aqaba Frigate
Sovis class corvette
BTW this cruiser you just did up I believe should be the Venture, the 'Venture-X' is a second generation League ship with some Ancients design influence in it.
Post by: Nico on June 08, 2002, 05:26:46 pm
Post by: Zeronet on June 08, 2002, 07:31:40 pm
EDIT-OT= Arg, damn Lightwave, i cant even move the camera or models around to render, they just keep reverting back.
Post by: Nico on June 09, 2002, 05:52:27 am
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Um, lacks detail?! The Texture isnt creating all those bumps along its hull. Still wEvil, when can you show those intial drawings of the TSI Dreadnought(you have it down as a battleship).
yes it is. only way to prove me wrong is to post an untextured shot. anyway that's not what I meant by undetailled. I lmeant, bioth ends ARE pretty detailled after all, but between them there's not much.
Post by: wEvil on June 09, 2002, 08:11:53 am
And its only using basic shader with a very slight texture map. Its practically all geometry.
Post by: Ace on June 09, 2002, 11:49:46 am
Post by: Nico on June 09, 2002, 12:21:19 pm
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Originally posted by AceI'm pretty sure the plates are bump maps. Wevil?
Venom, that's geometry. Now imagine a well done bumpmap on that too, *detail* ;)
Post by: Zeronet on June 09, 2002, 12:51:57 pm
EDIT: Well i,ve decided to change my dropship into a TSI dropship or something, it'll never work out as a FS one, i'll make another for that, if i could scrap the other thread i would.
Also wEvil what can you do with this? Its a new ship i'll be announcing sometime in NW, a battleship/dropship.
(http://terransyndi.homestead.com/files/spacedrop.jpg)
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 09, 2002, 06:36:16 pm
Post by: wEvil on June 09, 2002, 06:51:44 pm
first i'm going to finish off the cruiser, and ZN, i'm working on your dreadnought currently, then it's probably an Irae, then the hi-polified Nike. and then some more CWA/NTU ships.
I might well need the vindicator at some point to complete the first trailer though.
Its hard to bumpmap those kinds of shapes....the texture can go very odd considering most of the time its using a box as the projection. Cylinder maps give 'orrible stretching, you see.
I've added some laser cannons to it...post it up tomorrow.
Those panels on the cruiser are done mostly with greeble. I could have used shapemerge but it would have been long and tedious. It's all geometry though -- the cruiser uses the same texture as the Trajan dreadnought in the background.
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 09, 2002, 09:02:58 pm
Post by: Nico on June 10, 2002, 01:31:19 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
Those panels on the cruiser are done mostly with greeble. I could have used shapemerge but it would have been long and tedious. It's all geometry though -- the cruiser uses the same texture as the Trajan dreadnought in the background.
ok, I was wrong :p I'm human after all ^_^
Post by: wEvil on June 10, 2002, 07:48:34 am
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/cruiser2fg.jpg)
This Venture class cruiser of the Solarian league mounts 4 torpedo tubes, 4 heavy laser turrets and 4 light laser turrets.
Pretty fast and with a high turn rate thanks to the nacelle-mounted engines.
*EDIT*
GRAAAA!!! this poxy connection..I can't upload more than 5mb to any FTP sites per day it appears before this pathetic excuse for a connection starts dieing.
Going to have to wait until tomorrow for the animations i'm afraid.
Post by: Alikchi on June 10, 2002, 12:53:33 pm
I like the turrets - very nice!
Post by: Zeronet on June 10, 2002, 01:14:11 pm
Post by: Sandwich on June 10, 2002, 01:18:32 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
SKM Vessels (...Star Knight...)
*pant pant*
Post by: Zeronet on June 10, 2002, 03:18:37 pm
(http://terransyndi.homestead.com/files/tiger.jpg)
Post by: wEvil on June 10, 2002, 03:23:41 pm
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Shouldnt do animations yet.
:rolleyes:
Most of the time its' important to know how a ship will look from all angles. Also motion blurring and moving glow effects can totally change the vessels' character.
It is VERY important to know how the object will look once animated which is why I always do lots of early tests. The Havok looks far better under motion than under stills, for instance, beause the shape lands itself to a fast, streamlined kind of motion.
The TSI ships i'd imagine would have a kind of complex lumbering quality to them which is why it's important for me to know at once how to make them move as how to design them as a visual still, because the two qualities are innate to the object.
Post by: Zeronet on June 10, 2002, 03:25:49 pm
EDIT: Doh, i misread your post. Thought you were doing big complicated ones :doh: I see what you mean now, im trying to fiqure out the Lightwave animator, i,ve got some thruster scripts and stuff.
Post by: wEvil on June 10, 2002, 03:33:01 pm
So long as you can get the basic geometry into .3DS or .MAX for me to work off thats fine (unless you want me to do them from scratch..)
More than anything ZN i need a cruiser-type vessel.
For the shot in the trailer that requires your ships i'm thinking the vinnie, a couple of dreads and three cruisers with some fighters. (the scene is the GADI/Centauri engagement at polaris)
The dropship may be needed for later but its low-priority currently.
Post by: Zeronet on June 10, 2002, 03:37:47 pm
EDIT: NW IRC is cool.
Post by: wEvil on June 10, 2002, 03:44:53 pm
Probably stick to the same dark/blue/visible lines idea as other TSI ships...maybe with the same basic tri-hull shape.
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 10, 2002, 04:15:27 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/pics/nikenew.gif)
Post by: Zeronet on June 11, 2002, 09:30:23 am
Post by: wEvil on June 11, 2002, 10:18:44 am
Havent modelled/mounted the railguns yet but theres 6 forward facing masers.
*edit*
Oh and in reply to your post, I dont think there's any need to. Posting in here should be pretty regular anyway.
Post by: Zeronet on June 11, 2002, 10:33:56 am
NOTE: From now on when im on HLP i'll be in NW chat, if anyone needs me. Ideas and refinements always get done quicker in realtime if its possible to do so.
Post by: wEvil on June 11, 2002, 01:50:07 pm
Wahey...uploaded at last.
My connection wont upload bigger than 800k it seems, the 3mb MPEG4 avi that wasn't full of blocks wouldn't go, i'm afraid, but at least this gives you a basic idea...screenshots will follow later.
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 11, 2002, 03:47:25 pm
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Post by: Grey Wolf on June 11, 2002, 03:56:20 pm
EDIT: And it won't let me delete my posts....
Post by: wEvil on June 12, 2002, 11:27:55 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/TSIpass411.avi
Wahey...uploaded at last.
My connection wont upload bigger than 800k it seems, the 3mb MPEG4 avi that wasn't full of blocks wouldn't go, i'm afraid, but at least this gives you a basic idea...screenshots will follow later.
:bump: because the forum posting counter went :wtf:
Post by: Zeronet on June 12, 2002, 11:31:02 am
I was thinking for the Cruisers, mabye a similar design with fins but instead swept back by a large degree. Of course, i want function to be the primary design aspect so i will think about it more, still the fact is has 2 Maser cannons could influence the design. Im just trying to generate ideas. Im still stuck on the Vindicator though, its an important and complicated vessel with tons of guns.
Post by: wEvil on June 13, 2002, 02:36:08 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/1.jpg)
this is the fleet the PGA's sending into the U regions.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/ha.jpg)
ph33r!!
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/asasa.jpg)
Some weird thing i was messing around with overlays...i don't even know why i did it :p
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tsi1.jpg)
A TSI Esthar class dreadnought sitting pretty.
Post by: Alikchi on June 13, 2002, 04:46:53 pm
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 13, 2002, 08:22:27 pm
Post by: mikhael on June 13, 2002, 11:21:17 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tsi1.jpg)
A TSI Esthar class dreadnought sitting pretty.
How did you do the glowing TRON edges? I must know.
Post by: Nico on June 14, 2002, 02:04:02 am
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Originally posted by mikhael
How did you do the glowing TRON edges? I must know.
self illumination map I suppose
Post by: Fineus on June 14, 2002, 03:21:41 am
I must say wEvil, those really do kick ass - especially the top one!
Post by: an0n on June 14, 2002, 05:18:08 am
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Originally posted by mikhael
How did you do the glowing TRON edges? I must know.
I'm guessing a self-illuminated wireframe infinitecimally larger than the solid version. Although I suppose he could have mapped it on.
Post by: wEvil on June 14, 2002, 05:35:19 am
Or failing that you could just cheat and use greeble with the side selection turned on :p
I'm still trying to dissect that plugins' code to see if I can get more complex forms out of it.
Post by: Zeronet on June 14, 2002, 10:50:11 am
Post by: mikhael on June 14, 2002, 06:33:06 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
Shapemerged/booleaned geometry and I lovingly selected all the side polies by hand (not as hard as it sounds with a decent script) and then applied a seperate map to them.
Or failing that you could just cheat and use greeble with the side selection turned on :p
I'm still trying to dissect that plugins' code to see if I can get more complex forms out of it.
Masochist. Its what I thought though. Good work. I really like the overall shape (since it dodges the flying phallic symbol look that so often predominates most peoples models--myself included) and the blue glowing bits rock. :)
Post by: Zeronet on June 14, 2002, 06:41:59 pm
Post by: wEvil on June 14, 2002, 06:50:44 pm
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Originally posted by mikhael
Masochist. Its what I thought though. Good work. I really like the overall shape (since it dodges the flying phallic symbol look that so often predominates most peoples models--myself included) and the blue glowing bits rock. :)
Naaa....the trajan is meant to be phallic but thats for a reason *snigger* :p
Post by: Ace on June 14, 2002, 10:59:38 pm
Like I said to wEvil, I'd make the two guns on the front of the ship a bit more organic looking, maybe like a Minbari beam, and the bridge to look a little more like the bridge on the Victory class destroyers in B5.
Post by: Zeronet on June 15, 2002, 06:07:21 am
Post by: JC Denton on June 21, 2002, 01:17:41 am
Sheesh, with the number of sketches I'm doing lately, I might actually *shudder* need my own art section.
Post by: wEvil on June 21, 2002, 02:55:43 am
(knocked this up last night)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/eep.jpg)
A few Final Gather artefacts (thats what the blocky crap is) but It's pretty tough to get spot on in the first test render.
I've also essentially designed Drevi (he looks abit like a more evil David Suchet....he played Poirot encase you're wondering) , And some other guy who was supposed to be milopeles but looks too young and not "harsh" enough.
Post by: wEvil on June 21, 2002, 02:36:17 pm
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/eep2txt.jpg)
Post by: Zeronet on June 21, 2002, 02:40:15 pm
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Originally posted by JC Denton
Hrm...Zero, I'll play around with some sketching tomorrow and e-mail them to you, so you can see for yourself what I might come up with, mkay?
Sheesh, with the number of sketches I'm doing lately, I might actually *shudder* need my own art section.
[email protected]
Just remove everything in capital letters.
Post by: Nico on June 21, 2002, 03:28:52 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
and another...poked up the detail to get rid of those weird square artefacts but you can see what it did to the rendertime - and this is on a DUAL ATHLON 1Ghz, folks!
http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/eep2txt.jpg
nice light setting. my only complain would be the window, which looks like everything but a window, if you know what I mean...
Post by: Ace on June 21, 2002, 04:53:21 pm
Post by: wEvil on June 21, 2002, 04:56:54 pm
It looks more like a monitor though, i agree.
Any other improvements to the environment in the room you could suggest?
Post by: an0n on June 21, 2002, 05:00:50 pm
Post by: Nico on June 21, 2002, 05:33:14 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
Any other improvements to the environment in the room you could suggest?
yeah: make visible lights on the wall. even with fancy sci-fi explanantion about lights in the wall or something, it would look better anyway if they're clearly visible.
also, throw sheets of papers on the table, a few pens, a cup of tea, dunno, things :)
Post by: wEvil on June 21, 2002, 06:29:08 pm
Each object in the scene emits an amount of light thats' calculated by the renderer giving FAR more realistic result.
The scene is lit by concealed lights from that overhang. and thats' it. No omni lights or overheat spots.
The lights are bog-standard halogens but they're setup in a striplight configuration to give a nice, diffuse effect :)
Post by: JC Denton on June 21, 2002, 10:30:54 pm
And I think the ceiling should be a little less vaulted than that. And can we have cushy leather chairs, not barstools? :p:D
I take it that object in the center of the table is a holoprojector for the non-neurolinked masses?
Post by: Grey Wolf on June 21, 2002, 10:47:20 pm
Post by: KillMeNow on June 21, 2002, 11:09:51 pm
now i would offer my services but i'm busy with my own film project at the moment and i use lightwave so no help for you there
[subliminal message]switch to lightwave 7 switch to lightwave 7[/subliminal message]
Post by: Kamikaze on June 22, 2002, 05:14:46 am
Post by: wEvil on June 22, 2002, 06:04:57 am
I used mental ray to render this (2.1.45 - the old, slow one)
I'm in the process of porting over to softimage|XSI but you're correct again - it's just so much better than anything else i've ever used (well...the modeller isn't as good as Mirai, but still..)
Currently though i'm stuck using 3Dsmax 4 with its' scummy mental ray translator, but even with XSI you still don't get ALL the Mental Ray features. The MAX translator plugin doesn't yet support Mental Ray 3.0 either, which is about 15% faster as a matter of course + Final Gathering like I used to light this scene is about 800% faster.
Either way, as soon as I work out soft expect some very cool stuff ;)
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I dunno, I kinda expected the coloration to be more of a bluish-gray.
And I think the ceiling should be a little less vaulted than that. And can we have cushy leather chairs, not barstools?
I take it that object in the center of the table is a holoprojector for the non-neurolinked masses?
Well I've used the white just to test the lighting so far, it's just a WIP so it'll improve, don't worry :)
The ceilings' flat with access panels to get to environmental regulators - this room and the other three + the coridoor would make up one unit which would operate independantly from the rest. Vaulted ceiling indeed...pah!
Cushy leather chairs...well, the stools are
A) easier to model
B) simpler geometric-wise
C) simpler shader-wise
D) I still havent got a sample fat vasudan @$$ to sit down on it ;7
The center of the table is indeed a holoprojector :)
Post by: KillMeNow on June 22, 2002, 02:26:14 pm
Post by: Nico on June 22, 2002, 03:01:08 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
Those panels on the cruiser are done mostly with greeble
I've just found this plugin... man my life has changed :)
Post by: Sheepy on June 23, 2002, 07:40:05 pm
http://www.cyberberry.com/Kamikaze/nodewar/Yojimbo.jpg
cheers to kami for the host.
Post by: wEvil on June 24, 2002, 11:58:00 am
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/yojimbo2.jpg)
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/awacs.jpg)
Post by: Nico on June 24, 2002, 02:29:19 pm
Post by: Sheepy on June 24, 2002, 04:02:19 pm
i know its a shivan fighter, but i thought i would try and make it look like a terran stealth ship, any harm there?
Post by: Nico on June 25, 2002, 02:05:16 am
Post by: Shrike on June 25, 2002, 03:28:00 am
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Originally posted by SheepyThe top fighter is supposed to be a SHIVAN ship? :wtf:
i know its a shivan fighter, but i thought i would try and make it look like a terran stealth ship, any harm there?
Post by: Nico on June 25, 2002, 03:31:13 am
damn I need a nap.
Post by: wEvil on June 28, 2002, 05:20:46 am
One small bit of an Obirian Pilots' quarters such as the One Oberlin shares.
The sink is derivative off Venoms' scene he recently posted and my old room at uni.
Sorry for knicking your idea, V :p
Either way, its a good example of Final Gathering/HDRI - the highlights on the sink need a little work but they're also fully raytraced, not fake phong/blinn highlights.
Came out OK barring the sampling levels.
Post by: Nico on June 28, 2002, 07:07:43 am
Post by: KillMeNow on June 28, 2002, 07:10:15 am
Post by: Zeronet on June 28, 2002, 07:11:28 am
Post by: wEvil on June 28, 2002, 07:13:45 am
This is 2370 after all ;)
Either way...i'm trying to get the rest of the room done. Bedclothes are an utter nightmare to get looking good!
Post by: Mad Bomber on June 28, 2002, 07:29:29 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
One small bit of an Obirian pilots' quarters such as the one Oberlin shares.
When you do the full room, don't forget to do an image of Khavet Viish Ni'an on the wall-TV. I want to see how you render a Vasudan with Groucho glasses. :D
Post by: wEvil on June 28, 2002, 08:01:25 am
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
When you do the full room, don't forget to do an image of Khavet Viish Ni'an on the wall-TV. I want to see how you render a Vasudan with Groucho glasses. :D
He obviously bought the full box set...why the hell would a box with "headz" be on top of the sink unit?
I need a vasudan first. Or more correctly, I need the V concept work for a vasudan so I can model one that can be animated realistically.
Which will probabyl require alot of facial reworking from Volitions' models but anyway...i got a BBQ with lots of people with poor musical taste to look after :(
I'll post up some more stuff as and when my tired old computer throws it out.
Post by: KillMeNow on June 28, 2002, 04:50:32 pm
still not finished really still bits wrong i need to fix more detail etc but might never bother to get around to it
render time 10 min 33 secs
(http://www.killmenow.barrysworld.net/images/brief.jpg)
Post by: an0n on June 28, 2002, 05:37:30 pm
Those chairs look too unstable.
It's good as a room, but not as a briefing room. Briefing rooms need to be either dark and gloomy or vast and awe inspiring.
Post by: wEvil on June 29, 2002, 03:30:22 pm
The lights need a little bit of work plus as anon said, the chair design is a little unorthodox.
Theres also a weird shadow map/sampling thing going on with the shadow cast by that plant.
IMO it looks more like a dining room ? ;)
Post by: Mr. Vega on July 01, 2002, 10:33:55 pm
(http://www.b5tech.com/centauri/centauriships/centauricapships/primus.jpg)
Post by: JC Denton on July 01, 2002, 10:38:31 pm
Erm, anyways, I knocked up a very crappy sketch of the Vindicator. I tried to meld the look of that TSI cruiser with the Excalibur, and the result was...eh, well, see for yourself:
(http://quantium40.port5.com/images/vinnie_alpha.jpg)
I'm meddling with a concept of the Qaiarkhet now. Kinda looks like a vasudany Taiidan heavy cruiser.
Vega, you're completely obsessed with that ship, aren't you? :p
Post by: Zeronet on July 02, 2002, 01:47:07 am
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Originally posted by Mr. Vega
I still think the Irae should look like a Centauri Primus:
(http://www.b5tech.com/centauri/centauriships/centauricapships/primus.jpg)
wEvil wants to the Irae to look like nothing but the Irae.
Post by: Nico on July 02, 2002, 02:11:55 am
Post by: wEvil on July 02, 2002, 08:41:52 am
Post by: Sheepy on July 03, 2002, 06:24:06 am
Post by: Ace on July 03, 2002, 12:37:39 pm
From the bit of description which has been given it has:
3 forward meson cannons with an arrangement like-
- *
-* *
(note: ignore the '-')
A bridge above the top meson cannon, and the reactor cores in the mid-ship section are meson reactors with anti-matter reactors to power the reaction, then the vessel has meson engines.
Post by: Nico on July 04, 2002, 02:06:14 am
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Originally posted by Ace
An Irae looks *nothing* like a Primus.
From the bit of description which has been given it has:
3 forward meson cannons with an arrangement like-
- *
-* *
(note: ignore the '-')
A bridge above the top meson cannon, and the reactor cores in the mid-ship section are meson reactors with anti-matter reactors to power the reaction, then the vessel has meson engines.
where are the meson toilets? :rolleyes:
Post by: wEvil on July 04, 2002, 07:38:12 am
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Originally posted by venom2506
where are the meson toilets? :rolleyes:
They're too dangerous to be deployed in combat without specially trained users... ;7
Post by: Nico on July 04, 2002, 07:45:06 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
They're too dangerous to be deployed in combat without specially trained users... ;7
like... Perry Meson ?
Yeah, worst-joke-ever
I know.
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 08, 2002, 07:39:27 am
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Originally posted by Ace
An Irae looks *nothing* like a Primus.
A bridge above the top meson cannon, and the reactor cores in the mid-ship section are meson reactors with anti-matter reactors to power the reaction, then the vessel has meson engines.
I also remember asking about what it looked like, and I compared it to Machina Terra's Darkness corvette. From what I know, it looks sorta like the Darkness from the side, except more streamlined, and proportionally longer and wider. And of course, it's 9 kilometers long.
Plus, of course, it has the spinal mesons.
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 08, 2002, 03:52:37 pm
Copy and paste the URL if the link itself doesn't work. And give it time to load.
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/Inrolut.jpg
Tell me what you think. I'm hoping that it could become a render at some point. :D
At least, as long as Geocities manages to actually show the pic...
Notes:
That freighter in the top right is not of Obirian make. It's carrying 2 daisy-chained [/i]Cargo-B[/i]'s.
The oddly shaped thing just to the right of the planet is Telkai, way off in the distance.
The ship being built at the dock, which is right in view, is an Oracle-class AWACS. Back and to the left a bit is an incomplete Icarus light dropship.
The unfinished Kronus in the corner should really be about twice as big as it is, but I'm too lazy to redraw it.
The shipyard itself is nowhere near as detailed as it should be, but meh, as I said, I'm lazy.
Ennisar (the moon) looks very crappy, but this is because I suck at drawing moons.
Post by: wEvil on July 09, 2002, 12:04:38 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/test7.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/test8.jpg)
These are all more renders of the obirian pilots' quarters' I ditched the dark look because it seemed a little depressing.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/lance.avi
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/lance2.avi
UPL lance class fighter, latest version. Still doesn't look good, but what the hell...it was a waste of time and meant i could get away from my neices for 5 minutes :p
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/havok.avi
Another render of the havok....but ain't it nice?
Post by: Zeronet on July 09, 2002, 12:53:08 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 09, 2002, 03:22:20 pm
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Originally posted by Zeronet
That room looks a little big for pilots quartors, space is a premium in ships.
Yeah. I imagine Oberlin's room as being much, much smaller. Like, college dorm room sized.
I'll draw something and scan it to show what I think it should look like.
Post by: Nico on July 10, 2002, 02:06:45 am
Post by: wEvil on July 11, 2002, 02:55:54 am
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Yeah. I imagine Oberlin's room as being much, much smaller. Like, college dorm room sized.
I'll draw something and scan it to show what I think it should look like.
Uhh....that is the size of a double college dorm room. You'd find that two people would be unable to psychologically handle living in a smaller space for extended periods of time. The rough size of that room is about 15 meters by 15 meters with a 4 meter long coridoor leading to the local "block" where there are showers, lavatories, rec rooms and the galley.
COnsidering the entire space is not larger than 700 cubic meters, the ship should have plenty of space. This is one of the reasons i'm so for cutting crew sizes down, sticking 25,000 people on a tin can 4 klicks long is a very unrealistic figure.
Post by: Nico on July 11, 2002, 04:30:22 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
Uhh....that is the size of a double college dorm room. You'd find that two people would be unable to psychologically handle living in a smaller space for extended periods of time. The rough size of that room is about 15 meters by 15 meters with a 4 meter long coridoor leading to the local "block" where there are showers, lavatories, rec rooms and the galley.
Where do you live? Beverly Hills? My room is 4*4 dude...
Post by: Zeronet on July 11, 2002, 06:10:56 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
Uhh....that is the size of a double college dorm room. You'd find that two people would be unable to psychologically handle living in a smaller space for extended periods of time. The rough size of that room is about 15 meters by 15 meters with a 4 meter long coridoor leading to the local "block" where there are showers, lavatories, rec rooms and the galley.
COnsidering the entire space is not larger than 700 cubic meters, the ship should have plenty of space. This is one of the reasons i'm so for cutting crew sizes down, sticking 25,000 people on a tin can 4 klicks long is a very unrealistic figure.
The Fighter pilots would have rooms, but they wouldnt be that big, they'd be as small as possible, a bunkbed and thats it, everything else would be communal(and for lower ranked members of the crew, they'd have to hotbed, think of the Rooms in System Shock 2 with all the beds)
Post by: TheCelestialOne on July 11, 2002, 07:42:42 am
EDIT : And you say showers are in the local "block"? I'd rather have a 2*2 room with a personal shower... Cause a 15*15 room without a shower? Come on... It could have multiple jacuzzis...
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 11, 2002, 08:34:54 am
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Originally posted by Zeronet
The Fighter pilots would have rooms, but they wouldnt be that big, they'd be as small as possible, a bunkbed and thats it, everything else would be communal(and for lower ranked members of the crew, they'd have to hotbed, think of the Rooms in System Shock 2 with all the beds)
Nah I wasn't envisioning it being that small.
I was thinking something more along the lines of this (http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCquarters.jpg).
or if Geocities is being its usual crappy self, here's the URL so you can copy and paste it:
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCquarters.jpg
Of course that in the back isn't an actual window. Oberlin's room is too far inside the ship. Nah, it's a screen showing the view from an external camera. (Exactly which camera, is up to the people living in the room, and they can set it via the computer.)
There would probably be something else taking up most of that open space. But you get the general idea.
The space in between the rooms is needed for hull strength and for energy dispersal. (heat-conductive webbing, etc)
Hotbedding is not necessary when the ship is 2.5 kilometers long. Maybe on frigates or corvettes or something small like that. But not on a dreadnought.
Post by: wEvil on July 11, 2002, 09:32:33 am
There would probably be about ten rooms like these sharing two or four shower cubicles and a couple of lavs and there would only be one or two rec rooms on the entire ship.
Seems fair to me. But then again some of our players aren't fair, are they? ;)
Post by: Zeronet on July 11, 2002, 10:00:09 am
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 11, 2002, 10:33:22 am
Besides there is plenty of space, so there's no need to hotbed.
Studies showed that hotbedding and living in extremely cramped environments can slowly cause serious stress-related mental health problems. They are staved off somewhat if the ship in question has a highly disciplined and loyal crew (like the Tessers with their loyalty to the Emperor).
But the stress is lessened dramatically, if there is not very much cramping at all. That's the reason the window-screen was added in to all rooms, to give people the feeling they weren't crammed into the ship like sardines.
Post by: wEvil on July 12, 2002, 11:22:46 am
I'm not so worried about the havok one because everyones' seen it to death but i'm interested in what people think about a couple of changes i've made to my technique.
Post by: Zeronet on July 12, 2002, 11:37:32 am
Post by: JC Denton on July 14, 2002, 02:38:55 pm
I thought that it looked something like this. And I even put it in the top-side-front orientation you insist upon :D
(http://quantium40.port5.com/images/lance_tsf_v1.jpg)
I'll try to make a better image than that sometime later on.
Post by: Nico on July 15, 2002, 02:32:43 am
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
yes, but not everyone would want to go through with that. There is a political thing to be considered, the OC does not conscript people except in times of all-out war.
Besides there is plenty of space, so there's no need to hotbed.
Studies showed that hotbedding and living in extremely cramped environments can slowly cause serious stress-related mental health problems. They are staved off somewhat if the ship in question has a highly disciplined and loyal crew (like the Tessers with their loyalty to the Emperor).
But the stress is lessened dramatically, if there is not very much cramping at all. That's the reason the window-screen was added in to all rooms, to give people the feeling they weren't crammed into the ship like sardines.
even if they're conscripts, they're militaries. you can't win a war with such considerations.
Post by: Alikchi on July 15, 2002, 02:52:25 am
Post by: wEvil on July 15, 2002, 07:36:18 am
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/lance1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/lance2.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/lance3.jpg)
Post by: wEvil on July 15, 2002, 07:38:07 am
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tharsis1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tharsis2.jpg)(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tharsis3.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tharsis4.jpg)
Stills of the Nereid class Frigate
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/nereid1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/nereid2.jpg)
Post by: wEvil on July 15, 2002, 07:39:42 am
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/face1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/face2.jpg)
Nereid Class Frigate
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/rotate.avi
Tharsis Class Escort Carrier
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/Tharsis2.avi
Post by: Nico on July 15, 2002, 08:25:00 am
Post by: Zeronet on July 15, 2002, 10:35:52 am
Post by: wEvil on July 15, 2002, 11:30:58 am
Got any tips (apart from scrap it and start again! :p )
ZN - i might have them in a couple of emails on my system but send them again just to be sure, although I won't be able to get at them for 6 weeks (no net access from my current house and dont want to set up an email account on the work machines)
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2002, 02:19:29 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
Got any tips (apart from scrap it and start again! :p )
tips? well, not really, depends on what you use ( LPM+mesh smooth, nurbs, splines... )t, but the common sense asks for you to use a face/side view of the face you want to build and apply it on two planes (really helps, I tried a Nathalie Portman mesh, looks kindda cool, but not really like Portman w/o any map tho ).
I dunno XSI anyway, but I think, at least in max, that LPM+mesh smooth(+ relax to get rid of all the annoying little irregularities) is the quickest/simplest/best way. Tho I'm still in the learning stage for splines, and now I'm getting quite good results, admitedly. As usual, I guess it's all about training.
Post by: wEvil on July 16, 2002, 08:32:36 am
Already had the two sketches on the planes..
Its just a case of it being very easy to get a messy mesh, plus it takes forever ;(
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2002, 08:50:54 am
ok, I don't have the perfect "recipe" to make great heads, but I know what i did wrong, at least :lol:
first, the Nathalie Portman head, done with splines:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/ott/renders/nphead01.jpg)
you can see it looks nothing like the real "thing". And still the shape is perfect. The rule with splines, that I didn't find out then: use quads as much as possible, no triangles if you can avoid them. Refine if needed, adding verts won't hurt that much.
second, still with splines, my Grey head:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/ott/renders/greyhead.jpg)
See? using quads only gives you much better results, no crappy edges or anything ( I didn't apply the relax modifier there, so there's still a few "sharp" areas, but with it, it's perfect ). ok, admitedly, non human characters are easier to do anyway.
third and last, my lachdanan character, w/o the cell shading crap:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/ott/renders/lachrealhead.jpg)
done from a cube, poly extrusion, 1 tesselate, 1 mesh smooth.
my best human head so far if you ask me, done in... less than 20 minutes! Really, for now, LPM is unmatched if you ask me ( haven't really tried patch modelling yet tho ).
voila :)
Post by: TheCelestialOne on July 16, 2002, 08:59:12 am
Post by: Nico on July 16, 2002, 09:09:47 am
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 16, 2002, 01:54:44 pm
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 21, 2002, 08:43:19 pm
Any new concepts or models by anyone?
Post by: wEvil on July 23, 2002, 12:06:17 pm
Before anyone freaks out that i'm not doing their things as well, this is the reason:
I haven't been able to get all those concept pictures onto my machien since yesterday and as such have had to remember roughly what they looked like...which was a total disaster as you can imagine.
Plus i've had to concentrate on animation for my uni course as much as modelling, because i'll be damned if i'm coming back next year unprepared.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/parallax.jpg)
Yep..i know, yawn, you seen it all before. But I tweaked the running lights anyway.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/tharsishot.jpg)
This is a "hot" Tharsis carrier - I.E, one thats just had a dreadnought Alpha-strike it.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/array.avi
Pay attention to this - Its a test fire for plasma accelerator weapons. Is the recoil right do you reckon?
It also goes (with a little tweaking) for other heavy mass-based weapons. Beams and lasers don't recoil, btw.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/testfire.avi
A tharsis firing its' blast accelerator. Its a big file, and the quality isnt great, but give it a go (specially mad bomber because I need to peg down how an Enercade actually shoots)
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/artic.avi
Test of the P.A guns' articulation. The funny part where it "double bumps" at the top is meant to be there, I was trying to simulate some kind of dampened clunk but it didnt' quite work.
I'm also aware the turn rate isn't regular but I havent' cracked MAX's TCB controllers yet.
Expect another update sometime after the weekend - i'm too knackered to do anything after work.
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 23, 2002, 12:49:09 pm
Except the Enercade charges up with a white glow beforehand (like a beam does, except with less chargeup time). And the Enercade bolts are supposed to be larger and significantly brighter than the Blast Gun.
I think its great tho :yes2::):yes:
The PA's and articulation I think are spot on. :nod:
Post by: Shrike on July 23, 2002, 03:00:48 pm
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Originally posted by wEvilWhere's the cockpit? It needs a cockpit. :p
Stills of the Lance interceptor
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 23, 2002, 08:21:15 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/pics/sidhe.jpg)
Some notes: Red=Pulse Lasers, Yellow=Torpedo Launchers, Blue=Shield Generator, Lime Green=Engines, and Cyan= Beam Cannon arrays.
Post by: Nico on July 24, 2002, 02:08:15 am
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Originally posted by Shrike
Where's the cockpit? It needs a cockpit. :p
"they always want a visible cockpit"
;7
Post by: wEvil on July 24, 2002, 07:55:17 am
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Originally posted by Shrike
Where's the cockpit? It needs a cockpit. :p
UPL aren't in the biznizz of exposing their pilots to needless hazards.
The crawl hatch at the front leads to an acceleration tank style cockpit which is connected to sensor arrays suffusing the hull of the fighter.
Neural link required, of course ;)
Post by: Zeronet on July 24, 2002, 12:51:49 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on July 24, 2002, 12:55:37 pm
Post by: Zeronet on July 24, 2002, 01:05:11 pm
Post by: Shrike on July 24, 2002, 03:58:09 pm
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Originally posted by wEvilThis is FS.
UPL aren't in the biznizz of exposing their pilots to needless hazards.
The crawl hatch at the front leads to an acceleration tank style cockpit which is connected to sensor arrays suffusing the hull of the fighter.
Neural link required, of course ;)
Add a cockpit.
:p
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 24, 2002, 04:16:22 pm
Post by: Zeronet on July 24, 2002, 04:47:55 pm
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Originally posted by Shrike
This is FS.
Add a cockpit.
:p
I agree, i mean what happens if his optics get damaged? You'll need a backup.
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 24, 2002, 04:51:02 pm
Post by: Nico on July 25, 2002, 02:25:42 am
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I agree, i mean what happens if his optics get damaged? You'll need a backup.
What if the glass cockpit is broken? You'll need a coffin.
If the man choosed not to have a glass cockpit, damn, respect his choice.
Post by: TheVirtu on July 25, 2002, 02:27:22 am
Post by: wEvil on July 25, 2002, 07:07:48 am
The UPL fighters don't have pretty little windows.
If you look closely, you'll find that most UPL capital ship designs don't have them either apart from recreation decks..well, UPL capships designed by the PGA anyway.
Post by: Zeronet on July 25, 2002, 07:13:51 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
Since when was I conventional with my designs :D
The UPL fighters don't have pretty little windows.
If you look closely, you'll find that most UPL capital ship designs don't have them either apart from recreation decks..well, UPL capships designed by the PGA anyway.
Any thoughts on a TSI Carrier, TSI battleship etc? im draw some stuff sometime today hopefully.
Post by: wEvil on July 25, 2002, 07:28:24 am
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Any thoughts on a TSI Carrier, TSI battleship etc? im draw some stuff sometime today hopefully.
For the carrier, it should be long and sleek with a large forward hangar bay.
Well..thats just the impression I got.
Battleship....a "lighter" looking dreadnought design?
Post by: Zeronet on July 25, 2002, 07:30:40 am
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 25, 2002, 12:01:31 pm
Makes sense though, I'm far closer to the VI than the SL anyway.
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 25, 2002, 11:59:21 pm
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/pics/athenanw.jpg
Let's just say, it's not what you'd expect.
Post by: Tiara on July 26, 2002, 01:27:34 am
The page you requested was not found!
:doubt:
Post by: Nico on July 26, 2002, 04:13:33 am
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Let's just say, it's not what you'd expect.
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Originally posted by Tiara
Great Frollicking Llamas!
indeed...
Post by: Zeronet on July 26, 2002, 10:57:29 am
(http://www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/mike/Image3.jpg)
Dont not accurate, the ship should be symetrical and not wonky like in the picture. A and B should be of equal size and wevil, B in the top drawing is should be C! C and D arent the same size, as D is the main fighter storage section.
The vessel launches fighters like bullets out of a gun and its a very big ship. Its a very Tesser design with its ammo clip like parts :D.
Heres some more pics, this is just the very basic shape as the drawings might confuse a little.
(http://www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/mike/CAR.JPG)
(http://www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/mike/CAR2.JPG)
(http://www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/mike/CAR3.JPG)
(http://www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/mike/CAR4.JPG)
Post by: Grey Wolf on July 26, 2002, 04:15:11 pm
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Originally posted by Tiara:o
Great Frollicking Llamas!
The page you requested was not found!
:doubt:
Uploaded it to the wrong directory. Should work now.
Post by: an0n on July 28, 2002, 07:39:20 am
Post by: wEvil on July 29, 2002, 12:11:12 pm
This is an animation test for larger scenes.
I'm trying to get things done faster by splitting everything up into layers, tell me what you think.
I know the two beam frigates don't move very well plus the beam needs to be tweaked a little for this scene and the visual composition aint' brilliant etc.
More to follow when its not so hot here and i can actually breathe without breaking into a sweat.
Post by: Zeronet on July 29, 2002, 12:16:30 pm
Post by: wEvil on July 29, 2002, 12:28:40 pm
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Originally posted by Zeronet
what do you think of the Carrier design?
Looking good - i'll have to elaborate somewhat but that'll depend on how I model it when I get around to that.
I'm currently working on the Sheol and Irae ships...with both of them at the just-been-started-learning-how-to-get-the-basic-shape-clean stage.
After I crack how to do one particular design its quite easy to model ships that look like it, but i've never tried a vasudan ship in high detail before so its taking me a while to work it all out properly.
Watch this space :)
Post by: wEvil on July 29, 2002, 12:49:57 pm
another test, this was the precursor to the one above which I just got uploaded.
Post by: Ace on July 29, 2002, 04:26:35 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 02, 2002, 08:10:55 am
(sorta wanted to bump this, it was getting towards the bottom)
Post by: wEvil on August 02, 2002, 02:01:28 pm
Post by: Zeronet on August 02, 2002, 02:03:50 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 02, 2002, 02:35:45 pm
or for an easier solution, here (http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/hui.jpg) is the link.
The Irae drawing is rather ominous, but I'm not sure that's anything like what it's supposed to look like.
Remember, Ace and I agreed that it should look sort of like Machina Terra's Darkness corvette, but wider, and with meson beams under the chin. (and probably without that sticky-outy thing on the left)
I actually imagine it as being more like the SFr Asmodeus... wide but still kinda tall and long... and still Darkness-ish
Still, those drawings are l33t (albeit upside-down). :D
I think the pseudo-Irae (or whatever the pointy one is) could be turned into another eerie-looking superdread (possibly one of Moddy's, it does look sorta Vasudanish).
Post by: Zeronet on August 02, 2002, 03:42:35 pm
Post by: Ace on August 02, 2002, 09:35:19 pm
The Irae looks like an Aurigae, except the front section under the bridge you have there has the three meson cannons. Also the engine assembly is sort of like the Golgotha's in BWO.
Post by: wEvil on August 05, 2002, 07:36:45 am
320k Divx 5.0, test of the necreis beam cruiser
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/subspacefinal.avi
a whopping 6mb download at 640x480 of the subspace vortex effect.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/havokjump4.avi
a whopping 4.6 mb AVI of the havok jumping out of subspace and frying..errr..something we can't see. The beams need tweaking in this shot.
***NOTE****
The last two won't be upped until 6:30pm GMT!
Post by: DragonClaw on August 05, 2002, 11:00:44 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/necreisv1.avi
320k Divx 5.0, test of the necreis beam cruiser
It appears to have a glitch within the first second... where the top of the ship lightens and just doesn't align with the bottom half...
I hope its not just mine... I would give you a frame # but Windows Media Sucker doesn't allow you to see frame #s :p
Post by: wEvil on August 05, 2002, 11:38:36 am
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 05, 2002, 01:07:26 pm
divx is EVIL... it requires a better computer than I have...
Post by: Sheepy on August 06, 2002, 08:38:39 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 08, 2002, 12:00:03 pm
Post by: Sheepy on August 10, 2002, 03:55:22 pm
Post by: Grey Wolf on August 12, 2002, 07:06:24 am
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/nnw/nikens.jpg)
Post by: Sheepy on August 12, 2002, 07:09:11 am
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I did some re-proportioning and mesh editing on the Nike. It's still ridiculously low-polied (~100), but the shape I'm going for is starting to come out. BTW, I rendered this without smoothing on so you can get a look at the mesh itself.
Rendered what?
Post by: Grey Wolf on August 12, 2002, 07:10:40 am
Should be up now.
Post by: JC Denton on August 22, 2002, 01:29:57 am
btw, sooner or later I'll have a fresh sketch made available...possibly by the end of next week (depending on my workload)...
EDIT: just now noticed that the bump smilie is gone...
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 22, 2002, 12:08:31 pm
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I did some re-proportioning and mesh editing on the Nike. It's still ridiculously low-polied...
You want low-poly, look at some of the Obirian ships. Hell, if I had a clue as to how to use TS4, I'd make meshes of the Scutum, Alastor, and Paladin myself!
Yes, those designs are meant to be ridiculously low poly. It has something to do with the advanced ceramics the Obirians use in their armor.
And finally, please no comments about the name I chose for the Scutum. It means "shield" in Latin.
Post by: Grey Wolf on August 22, 2002, 12:56:46 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/pics/terransb.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/pics/odindn2.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/nnw/nikens.jpg)
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 22, 2002, 02:17:24 pm
Post by: Riven on August 29, 2002, 12:03:53 pm
(http://freespace.virgin.net/riven.storage/efre.jpg)
Post by: Redfang on August 29, 2002, 12:17:02 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on August 30, 2002, 08:12:08 am
Post by: wEvil on September 01, 2002, 02:59:27 pm
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 04, 2002, 08:34:48 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/nnw/nikeii.jpg)
Post by: Sheepy on September 05, 2002, 08:55:17 am
Post by: Nico on September 05, 2002, 09:03:35 am
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Originally posted by Sheepy
Very nice, but them gun things are too square .... and dunno why but it reminds me of that Blackbird fighter thingy (if u know what i mean)
yeah, you're right, the sr71 ( a recon plane but who cares? )
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 05, 2002, 08:41:53 pm
Post by: Nico on September 06, 2002, 01:56:01 am
Post by: Mad Bomber on September 06, 2002, 07:41:13 am
Besides, not all ships HAVE to be high-poly... look at some of my concept sketches and you'll see what I mean...
(copy/paste)
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCfleet1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCfleet2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCfleet3.jpg
(links put here because people might be too lazy to look in the old NW Movie thread)
And to get back on topic, I like the general look of the Nike2. Sorta like a cross between a bird of prey and an SR71. (Not a BoP from Startrek, mind you, just a generic thing like a hawk or something.)
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 06, 2002, 03:21:17 pm
Post by: Zeronet on September 12, 2002, 03:11:25 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on September 16, 2002, 11:16:55 am
Post by: Mad Bomber on September 18, 2002, 12:13:24 pm
Post by: JC Denton on September 18, 2002, 03:46:00 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on September 19, 2002, 10:18:14 am
Post by: wEvil on September 20, 2002, 10:29:42 am
And on a new, shiny cable line too!
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/havokjump4c.avi
The havok jumps in and...kills something.
The beams and some other effects need quite some amount of tweaking - way too bright.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/UPLpass.avi
the UPL expeditionary reinforcement units breeze through local space in the Praxis System.
Post by: Tiara on September 20, 2002, 10:33:51 am
2nd : no stars? But it also looks jaw dropping!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Post by: wEvil on September 20, 2002, 11:22:04 am
look closer or turn the contrast on your monitor up.
Post by: Tiara on September 20, 2002, 11:46:30 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
no stars?
look closer or turn the contrast on your monitor up.
Contrast is tuned but I still see nothing... Its like the UPL expedition in a void...
Post by: JC Denton on September 21, 2002, 03:12:22 pm
What's your current project?
Post by: Sheepy on September 21, 2002, 03:42:08 pm
Ok i have been trying to draw this up for ages but i cant get it looking right so i have completly gave up on it,
I want it to look Anime(ish) and big and look fancy, it was built over a long period of time, so time was put into the actually apperance, where as most tribe designs go for efficency rather than asthetics.
Its got bits coming of it here there and every where, two big arms that drop down at the front hold to heavy rail cannons, and some other stuff. Should be white and red i think ..... other than that ......... ah well, u all gae up reading ages ago anyway so why am i bothering really? :doubt: :rolleyes:
Post by: wEvil on September 22, 2002, 06:02:05 am
i still read everything ;)
Are you after a red and white Chris Foss style look or something else?
Post by: Sheepy on September 22, 2002, 07:55:02 am
Post by: wEvil on September 22, 2002, 09:12:25 am
You know all those Isaac Asimov and A.C Clarke book illustrations? most of them were Foss paintings.
for Homeworld relic used that kind of aesthetic in their ship designs
Post by: Sheepy on September 22, 2002, 10:20:17 am
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 22, 2002, 05:35:23 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/nnw/skmseal.jpg)
Post by: Alikchi on September 22, 2002, 06:17:19 pm
Post by: Grey Wolf on September 22, 2002, 06:27:13 pm
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 23, 2002, 08:35:09 am
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Originally posted by Alikchi
Rrg, I don't like it when people pic works of art for flags. Flags are supposed to be geometric shapes with primary colors - the kind of thing little kids can scribble during kindergarten, or an illiterate mechanic can paint on a tailfin.
take a look at the Mexican flag... no geometric shapes there, many nations do not use geometric shapes at all
Post by: Ace on September 23, 2002, 02:39:54 pm
(http://www.adamantpacified.org/grafix/cwa_seal.gif)
There we go, even an illiterate 'Axer can paint 'er on a ship ;)
Post by: wEvil on September 23, 2002, 03:05:58 pm
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 27, 2002, 07:40:02 am
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Originally posted by wEvil
...but it takes finesse to do specular highlights, weathering etc. ;)
*cries*
:p
Post by: Alikchi on September 27, 2002, 12:26:03 pm
Post by: Mad Bomber on September 30, 2002, 11:16:20 am
(copy/paste)
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCflagblack.jpg
although it should look a lot more professional than that, obviously, and it should only have four stars on it now instead of five (due to the destruction of Niliran).
Post by: mikhael on September 30, 2002, 02:25:49 pm
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
I've already shown you all the Obirian flag...
(copy/paste)
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCflagblack.jpg
although it should look a lot more professional than that, obviously, and it should only have four stars on it now instead of five (due to the destruction of Niliran).
What you do is keep he fifth star as a remembrance of brothers lost, see... ;) Political points with the populace without any effort.
(yes, I know its a game, but still...)
Post by: Mad Bomber on October 01, 2002, 07:46:56 am
Post by: JC Denton on October 01, 2002, 10:54:12 am
Post by: untouchable on October 02, 2002, 06:01:31 pm
Concept:
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/awacs.jpg)
Model:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/da/images/awacs.jpg)
Post by: Ace on October 02, 2002, 09:46:06 pm
Post by: mikhael on October 02, 2002, 10:25:09 pm
Post by: Nico on October 03, 2002, 02:31:07 am
Post by: wEvil on October 03, 2002, 07:03:06 am
Post by: Ashrak on October 03, 2002, 08:07:32 am
Post by: wEvil on October 03, 2002, 10:55:50 am
at the moment I'm aiming towards some kind of trailer and just general realisation of the NW universe.
Most players have some 3D skills and so they can knock up basic to advanced realisations, but its mostly up to me to tie it all together into a cohesive whole.
Post by: Sheepy on October 03, 2002, 12:35:38 pm
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Originally posted by untouchable
I liked sheepy's AWACs concept alot so I decided to model it :D
Concept:
.....
Model:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/da/images/awacs.jpg)
YAY some one likes me :p, if u want i could find some time to draw up some more ...... U WILL BE MY NW SHIP MAKING SLAVE,, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
*is forced into a straight jacket*
(see wevil its not that hard;))
Post by: wEvil on October 03, 2002, 01:09:14 pm
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Originally posted by Sheepy
(see wevil its not that hard;))
It is if you're a full time student working on two other commercial projects as well as trying to find a "normal" job because you're £-2k at the beginning of the year :(
Post by: Tiara on October 03, 2002, 01:31:15 pm
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Originally posted by wEvil
It is if you're a full time student working on two other commercial projects as well as trying to find a "normal" job because you're £-2k at the beginning of the year :(
Tiara - :lol:
wEvil - :mad:
Tiara - I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you.
wEvil - :wtf: I'm not laughing...
Tiara - :blah:
Tiara - *runs*
Ow, and this was just a joke... :p
Post by: wEvil on October 03, 2002, 01:52:46 pm
Post by: Sheepy on October 03, 2002, 04:17:39 pm
Post by: untouchable on October 03, 2002, 07:49:30 pm
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Originally posted by Sheepy
if u want i could find some time to draw up some more
:nod::nod::nod::D
Post by: untouchable on October 03, 2002, 10:59:21 pm
Concept:
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/wevil/yojimbo2.jpg)
Model:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/da/images/fighterfinal.jpg)
Post by: vadar_1 on October 03, 2002, 11:32:14 pm
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Originally posted by untouchable
The Model Slave Strikes Again!!!!!!!
Great concept (except the unusually odd size of the missile), great conversion.
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 10:20:47 am
*goes to scribble down more ideas*
Post by: JC Denton on October 04, 2002, 11:03:21 am
Of course, I could be wrong, since that's at an angle...
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 12:11:31 pm
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 01:07:00 pm
Pre Yojimbo
(http://www.fattonys.com/images/upload/preyojimbo.gif)
Proteus Destroyer
(http://www.fattonys.com/images/upload/proteus.jpg)
ok the concepts suk and u may not be able to tell what the fook is going on, but hell anything is better than nothing rite?
Post by: untouchable on October 04, 2002, 04:49:28 pm
Post by: Nico on October 04, 2002, 05:09:13 pm
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 05:11:48 pm
*waits for his shiny new avatar*
Ill get to work on those ships and give you a couple of pre sketches ....
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 05:12:32 pm
Post by: Grey Wolf on October 04, 2002, 05:25:04 pm
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/nnw/nikeskm.gif)
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 05:26:58 pm
[edit]all better now[/edit]
Post by: Grey Wolf on October 04, 2002, 05:29:29 pm
Post by: untouchable on October 04, 2002, 06:06:23 pm
Post by: Sheepy on October 04, 2002, 06:39:47 pm
(http://www.fattonys.com/images/upload/Manta.jpg)
Post by: Grey Wolf on October 04, 2002, 08:15:36 pm
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Originally posted by untouchableIt's a picture of a ship off the old cover of an Honor Harrington book. The funny thing is, the ship, at least as it was drawn, was never actually in the book....
Umm.... wtf is that? I don't model things that have already blown up.. lol ;)
Post by: Mad Bomber on October 06, 2002, 08:12:30 pm
again, they are here (copy and paste)
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCfleet1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCfleet2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kalnnas/OCfleet3.jpg
alternatively if someone is willing to host the images so people can actually see them...
Post by: untouchable on October 06, 2002, 11:34:46 pm
Post by: untouchable on October 06, 2002, 11:53:30 pm
Post by: Kamikaze on October 07, 2002, 12:29:50 am
Post by: Nico on October 07, 2002, 04:22:59 am
Post by: Mad Bomber on October 07, 2002, 05:13:53 pm
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Originally posted by untouchable
(large image removed from quote)
Not bad so far, the 3-part hull is evident, its a good start. Since its a WIP it's understandable that some things are missing, but here are some pointers:
- The Goliath's neck is not supposed to be any narrower than the head itself, and there's only supposed to be one neckpiece. There should be a very large, squarish crevice all through the underside of the neck, tho. At the back of the crevice is Fighterbay #5.
- The double-Enercade mount on the chin should be short (both in length and in height) and should end quite abruptly about 1/4 of the head's length back. Past that it slopes upwards to create the aforementioned neck crevice.
- The rear thing should stick out a bit farther downwards before connecting to the ubermount. Then theres the ubermount itself, the HDP (the smaller, farther forward, ventral main-hull-to-ubermount-connector-structure) and other such things, but its pretty clear you havent gotten to that yet :)
- Mid and rear sections should be quite a bit larger in proportion to the head
- the side-mounted engines on the rear (make sure to face the side poly's on them slightly forwards)
- dorsal hump on rear section
- extremely angular look to the hull (I have a feeling this won't be a problem :p)
Post by: Kamikaze on October 18, 2002, 10:58:32 pm
First is the Jyashin, Missle Dreadnaught designed to take out targets from very long range (mainly for fighter-dispersal)
(http://www.cyberberry.com/kamikaze/Jyashin.JPG)
And an un-named Killing Speed Strike Bomber
(http://www.cyberberry.com/kamikaze/KSfighter.JPG)
Post by: Mr. Vega on October 21, 2002, 08:35:27 pm