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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: FlamingCobra on July 01, 2012, 04:29:49 pm
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Reported Offense: On 06/11/2012 at approximately 1:15 am, a female student was robbed of her personal property at knife point by an unidentified male subject described below. The incident happened along Western Blvd. in front of the Naval Reserve Center. The victim did not call the Raleigh Police Department to report the incident until approximately 3:11 pm on 06/11/2012. The victim was not injured and the subject fled the scene northwest toward NC State University.
The suspect is described as a light complexion male wearing a dark colored zip up hoodie with a white t-shirt underneath, faded blue jeans and white shoes. The male suspect was between 30 - 40 yoa, 6'00" - 6'02" in height, bald with no facial hair. the suspect fled northwest towards campus. The Raleigh Police Department is investigating.
Contact NC State University Campus Police at 919-515-3000 or the Raleigh Police Department 919-829-1911 if you have any information that will help with this case . In case of an emergency, dial 911.
Safety Tips:
•Always walk in well-lighted areas at night.
•Don't walk alone after hours, use the Safety Escort at (919) 515-3000
•Report suspicious activity to the Police immediately
•Don't walk distracted (i.e. texting or talking on the phone)
In compliance with the Timely Notice provisions of the Federal Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Police and Campus crime Statistics Act of 1998, Campus Police are giving notice of a disturbing act of violence. Please share the information contained in this crime warning with other people on campus who may not have seen it.
DATE: June 27, 2012 4:28:03 PM EDT
Campus Water Quality Announcement
This is a message from NC State Environmental Health and Safety.
An odor in the water was identified at three locations in the vicinity of Cates Avenue on main campus. As a precaution, the campus community is asked not to use water on main campus for drinking or cooking purposes until authorities can conduct testing, flush the system and confirm the water is safe for consumption.
This process could take one to two days to complete. The campus community is encouraged to bring drinking water to campus on Thursday, June 28 and Friday, June 29.
If you notice that the drinking water in your building has an unusual odor, please contact the customer service center at 919-515-2991.
Additional information will be provided as more is learned. In the meantime, if you have questions, please contact Ken Kretchman at 919-515-6860.
http://www.ncsu.edu/emergency-information/06-27-2012.php
I don't feel so safe about NC State's campus anymore. :shaking:
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Always walk in well-lighted areas at night.
Don't walk alone after hours
Report suspicious activity to the Police immediately
Don't walk distracted
Also, ride a bike.
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Meh. Back in my day, escaped, armed convicts fled through my campus (http://utdailybeacon.com/news/2005/nov/11/one-convict-arrested-at-local-gas-station-other-fo/). At the time that these convicts were making their way through campus, I lived in the building adjacent to the library, where they were initially spotted, and less than a block from where they were ultimately arrested.
That amusing anecdote aside, don't mistake and abundance of reporting for an abundance of crime. Universities tend to have their own newspapers with easy access to the campus' dedicated police department. As a result, it's easy to let every student know about every crime report that gets filed. This can lead you to the conclusion that there's a lot more crime on campus than elsewhere, when that's typically not the case. It's similar to how the general public has perceived an increase in crime since the 1960's/1970's, when the rate of crime (and violent crime, in particular) has decreased since that period. What they see is the increase in reporting and assume that that additional reporting corresponds to an increase in incidents. Just because you see more reports of crime on your campus than in your hometown doesn't mean there's actually much more crime on-campus.
Certainly, if you're going to be out, alone at night, pay attention to your surroundings and try to stick to well-trafficked and well-lit areas, but leave the kevlar at home. Don't assume that your campus turns into a lawless deathtrap at night, either. You'll miss out on way too much.
Incidentally, The Daily Beacon, around the same time period that those escaped convicts were known to be on/near campus, also reported on the theft of an unattended chicken sandwich, left outside of Hess Hall one night. When I say that campus newspapers publish every crime report, I'm not kidding. Sometimes, it's entertaining; sometimes it's informative, but don't let the abundance of reporting lead you to the wrong conclusions.
As to the water quality issue, I can't speak to the quality of your campus' utility provider. If there's any kind of an on-campus population (and I imagine NC State has several thousand living on-campus), then there's probably people working a lot of overtime to get the problem resolved. After it's resolved, watch to see if problems with water quality become a recurring issue. That's something that might warrant moving off-campus, assuming the surrounding area is serviced by a different utility provider. If this is a one-off event, then all I can say is that life's full of little inconveniences. You either roll with the punches or have a heart attack before age thirty.
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I was going to leap into an overview of why the Clery Act came around in the first place, and maybe dig up some reports I've got in my school email, but then I saw this:
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and decided it wasn't necessary.
Also, I'm going to second this, highly:
You either roll with the punches or have a heart attack before age thirty.
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You're going to see reports like that quite frequently. Don't let them get to you (but reinforce your door, if you live in a dorm).
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mamba, that's nothing out of the ordinary. that kind of stuff happens at EVERY university in the country. when i was there, we got one of those reports about one of the SAFETY ESCORTS getting shot at in a failed robbery attempt. i know the spot they are talking about, and a girl should NOT be walking there alone at 1 in the morning. i had to go that way after dark a few times myself, and i always made sure i jogged, and was carrying my knife.
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i had to go that way after dark a few times myself, and i always made sure i jogged, and was carrying my knife.
What Klaustrophobia is trying to say is that he will run you down and cut you, mother****er! ;)
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... yeah.
(http://i1.ifrm.com/10072/112/emo/yeah.gif)
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i had to go that way after dark a few times myself, and i always made sure i jogged, and was carrying my knife.
What Klaustrophobia is trying to say is that he will run you down and cut you, mother****er! ;)
I laughed. :yes:
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Speaking of water quality, I fondly remember being one of the first people back in the dorms for our winter session one year, and discovering that all the toilets and faucets ran lovely rust-brown water for a good few minutes. :D
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If you're majoring in some kind of engineering or hard science, carry your class schedule with you. It could save your life. You see...
Once upon a time, a good ol' Ag from the TAMU engineering department was walking home from Northgate (the bar district) late one night. He decided to take a shortcut through an alley and was accosted by a mugger. The man said, "It's your money or your life." Thinking quickly, our Ag pulled out his class schedule and handed it to the man. He looked down at it and said, "Oh, from this I can see you have neither," and let him go. (http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-v.gif) :D
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Meh. Safety is lie anyway.
This is why people should be allowed to concealed carry on campus. Although, I wouldn't object to more stringent requirements to be allowed to do so.
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Once upon a time, a good ol' Ag from the TAMU engineering department was walking home from Northgate (the bar district) late one night. He decided to take a shortcut through an alley and was accosted by a mugger. The man said, "It's your money or your life." Thinking quickly, our Ag pulled out his class schedule and handed it to the man. He looked down at it and said, "Oh, from this I can see you have neither," and let him go. (http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-v.gif) :D
Ha! They're still telling that one at TAMU? :lol:
Ah... good memories! I used to live in a fourplex near Northgate, incidentally. I think it was on Boyett. It was a bit of a rough neighborhood, but I always thought everyone played it up to be a lot worse than it really was. Mostly it was just really noisy.
Just checked it out on google maps. Yup. It's still there! :D They've changed up a lot of the other stuff in the area, but ye olde bachelor-pad is still there.
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This is why people should be allowed to concealed carry on campus. Although, I wouldn't object to more stringent requirements to be allowed to do so.
I can see where this thread is about to head, now. Excuse me while I run in the other direction.
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This is why people should be allowed to concealed carry on campus. Although, I wouldn't object to more stringent requirements to be allowed to do so.
Because weapons and college-age people under high stress go together so well. I mean, seriously, I'm a gun owner, I'm usually reasonably okay with concealed-carry stuff, but this is the most lolworthy idea I've heard in a long time.
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This is why people should be allowed to concealed carry on campus.
I just pulled information on fifteen major universities in the United States to get an idea of what their violent crime rates were like, versus the cities in which the campus' reside, just to get a sense of how well the generally strict weapons policies of universities was working out and to see if there was any obvious correlation between those cities' violent crime rates and the stringency of the state's CCW policy. (Regarding those CCW policies, 'unrestricted' indicates no permit required to carry a concealed weapon; 'shall issue' is the least stringent and most common CCW permit policy; 'may issue' allows law enforcement a measure of discretion in who receives a CCW permit, beyond just the requirements outlined in local laws, and 'no issue' indicates that concealed carrying of a weapon is de facto banned by right of no permits being distributed.)
Of the fifteen universities I checked, four had higher rates of violent crime than their host city.
University of New Hampshire - 0.19%
Durham, NH - 0.10%
New Hampshire - Shall issue CCW permit
University of South Dakota - 0.05%
Vermillion, SD - 0.02%
South Dakota - Shall issue CCW permit
University of Idaho - 0.19%
Moscow, ID - 0.10%
Idaho - Shall issue CCW permit
University of Vermont - 0.43%
Burlington, VT - 0.3%
Vermont - Unrestricted CCW
Most of the rest of the universities I checked had much lower crime rates than their host cities.
New York University - 0.12%
New York City, NY - 0.55%
New York - May issue CCW permit
UCLA - 0.44%
Los Angeles, CA - 0.63%
California - May issue CCW permit
Duke University - 0.42%
Durham, NC - 0.70%
North Carolina - Shall issue CCW permit
University of Nebraska - 0.06%
Lincoln, NE - 0.46%
Nebraska - Shall issue CCW permit
University of North Dakota - 0.09%
Grand Forks, ND - 0.27%
North Dakota - Shall issue CCW permit
University of Arizona - 0.16%
Tuscon, AZ - 0.65%
Arizona - Unrestricted CCW
Georgetown - 0.30%
Washington D.C. - 1.27%
District of Columbia - No issue CCW permit
Columbus State University - 0.22%
Columbus, GA - 0.62%
Georgia - Shall issue CCW permit
Louisiana State University - 0.17%
Baton Rouge, LA - 1.26%
Louisiana - Shall issue CCW permit
I've saved a couple for last, as they're a little more germane to the conversation. First of all, NC State, as concerns over that campus were what sparked the thread in the first place:
NC State - 0.19%
Raleigh, NC - 0.49%
North Carolina - Shall issue CCW permit
Finally, my alma mater, as I'm actually familiar with its weapon policy. Specifically, the University of Tennessee will expel students and ban any individual from campus for possession of a weapon. This includes any form of firearm, as well as blades beyond a certain length. The policy is enforced rigidly and draws occasional attention from the local media, so one must be willfully ignorant to lack knowledge of this policy's existance.
University of TN - 0.08%
Knoxville, TN - 1.06%
Tennessee - Shall issue CCW permit
Statistics gathered from http://campus-safety.findthedata.org/ and http://city-crime-statistics.findthedata.org/ , which in turn appear to have gathered their information from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. All information is from 2010.
Suffice to say, I don't think arming the students/staff/faculty or loosening campus weapon restrictions is necessary or wise, as university campuses tend to be safer, less violent places than the cities in which they reside. If you feel like this is all confirmation bias or deliberate misrepresentation, though, I invite you to provide more thorough research.
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Western Blvd is not a happy place, I got a lot of people trying to sell me crack when I walked to the convenience store across from Wolf Village. I always liked the housing on the other side of Hillsborough, had more 'college-town' feel to it.
But the crime thing is regrettably normal... common sense is king, pretty much what red said. I would avoid Western alone after the sun went down. The water thing's kinda yuck, I remember we were without power for about 2 days because of a squirrel.
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****ing squirrels are EVERYWHERE at state. :ick:
kinda funny sometimes though. i saw one get caught in the middle of a flash mob as classes let out. it freaked out and didn't know what the **** to do. :lol: :lol: that way? nope. that way? nope. how bout over here? AHHHHHHHHHHHHH HELP ME!!! :lol:
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and was carrying my knife.
Nothing personal, but unless someone is an expert in both knife attack and defense, it's a really poor weapon for an average person to carry on them. A former police officer I know put it really well: "Never carry a knife unless you're fully prepared for someone to take it from you and then stab you with it."
I have had a very extremely teeny-tiny bit of knife defense training in my police defensive tactics recertifications and if there is one thing the tactical officers teaching it have drilled into my head, it's that if a knife comes out then everyone in the altercation is getting cut or stabbed to varying degrees. A knife isn't going to deter someone trying to rob you, especially if they also have one (really frickin' likely). Property is property - wounded pride and wallet is a lot better than wounded person.
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i can always choose not to use it if i have it. doesn't work the other way if it turns out i really DO need it. believe me, i'm not stupid about such things.
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Western Blvd is not a happy place, I got a lot of people trying to sell me crack when I walked to the convenience store across from Wolf Village. I always liked the housing on the other side of Hillsborough, had more 'college-town' feel to it.
But the crime thing is regrettably normal... common sense is king, pretty much what red said. I would avoid Western alone after the sun went down. The water thing's kinda yuck, I remember we were without power for about 2 days because of a squirrel.
-_- are you serious?
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I've thought about getting a concealed-carry permit and just keeping a handgun locked in the glovebox of my car. I don't do any sort of illegal substance and I know the university doesn't search people's vehicles without a good reason. I may or may not get a concealed-carry permit in North Carolina (because I have family up there, and therefore a North Carolina residency address) because both Georgia (where the uni is) and South Carolina (where I currently reside) both recognize NC concealed-carry permits.
Also, **** the "no weapons" rule, I'm going to carry a small (2.5-3 inches/6.35-7.62 cm) pocketknife with me everywhere no matter what. I use it for utility purposes, and it's not like I wouldn't like to have a last resort in case someone attacks little ol' sigtau.
Fun fact: My town has a higher murder/robbery/assault rate (1 in 17 chance of being victimized) vs. my university's town (1 in 23).
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-_- are you serious?
Bout what? Maybe was a little dramatic in the post, but I walked a lot while going to school, maybe 2-5 miles a day depending on where I was residing, didn't like taking the bus, even when I lived off campus (did take a car at night though when living off campus). Never had any real trouble or feel in danger. After 5 years of hoofing it you're bound to have a weird tale or two to share.
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I've thought about getting a concealed-carry permit and just keeping a handgun locked in the glovebox of my car. I don't do any sort of illegal substance and I know the university doesn't search people's vehicles without a good reason. I may or may not get a concealed-carry permit in North Carolina (because I have family up there, and therefore a North Carolina residency address) because both Georgia (where the uni is) and South Carolina (where I currently reside) both recognize NC concealed-carry permits.
Also, **** the "no weapons" rule, I'm going to carry a small (2.5-3 inches/6.35-7.62 cm) pocketknife with me everywhere no matter what. I use it for utility purposes, and it's not like I wouldn't like to have a last resort in case someone attacks little ol' sigtau.
Fun fact: My town has a higher murder/robbery/assault rate (1 in 17 chance of being victimized) vs. my university's town (1 in 23).
I do not understand the fear of knives. Most people are not psychotic killers, and a pocket knife is a tool. I've had one in my pocket since leaving high school.
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Pocket knives aren't usually prohibited by campus weapon policies. At UTK, large kitchen knives, just shy of meat cleavers, were permissible under the policy.
Restrictions on blades are usually targetted towards those that are not useful as anything other than weapons, i.e. swords. And before you ask whether or not that kind of restriction is necessary or useful, yes, a UTK student was expelled and banned from campus, a year prior to me starting there, for brandishing a sword. You wouldn't think that would happen among a population of ostensibly intelligent adults, in an academic environment, but it's kind of nice to have that ban in place, so that when the idiot with a four-foot longsword shows up to a basketball game, there's a policy by which he can be removed from campus and returned to his native habitat of Crazytown.
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Concealed Carry is idiotic. The idea of carrying a weapon is to scare off the run of the mill mugger or robber who sees you have a gun and now knows not to **** with you. Concealing your weapons is inviting a robber to come rob you, just so you cap shoot him. The only possible reason you would want to carry a concealed weapon is to use it. You gain none of the benefits of carrying a weapon openly and all of the risks of carrying no weapon at all.
And then on top of it, you engage a robber or mugger with a gun you probably don't know how to use well enough to guarantee that you don't hit some innocent bystander, or get it taken away and used against you so that you're now on the wrong end of a gun.
Concealed carry is nothing but negatives. The idea of a self defense weapon is not to kill. The idea of a self defense weapon is to scare away.
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You wouldn't think that would happen among a population of ostensibly intelligent adults, in an academic environment
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You wouldn't think that would happen among a population of ostensibly intelligent adults, in an academic environment
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This.
I don't know where you went to college, but my experience was absolutely nothing like that.
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Psst. Look up what "ostensibly" means. :P
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I don't need to. :/
My experience showed me that most (all but a dozen, maybe, including faculty) of the people attending my college were complete dumbasses of the highest order, in appearance and in actuality. And I'm not exaggerating this.
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Concealed Carry is idiotic. The idea of carrying a weapon is to scare off the run of the mill mugger or robber who sees you have a gun and now knows not to **** with you. Concealing your weapons is inviting a robber to come rob you, just so you cap shoot him. The only possible reason you would want to carry a concealed weapon is to use it. You gain none of the benefits of carrying a weapon openly and all of the risks of carrying no weapon at all.
And then on top of it, you engage a robber or mugger with a gun you probably don't know how to use well enough to guarantee that you don't hit some innocent bystander, or get it taken away and used against you so that you're now on the wrong end of a gun.
Concealed carry is nothing but negatives. The idea of a self defense weapon is not to kill. The idea of a self defense weapon is to scare away.
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just.... no.
concealed carry is about having the means to defend yourself while not freaking people out by brandishing a gun. and why is it always the assumption of carrying opponents that carriers have no idea how to use them?
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I assume that because if you're actually using it you're doing it wrong and just going to get somebody hurt that doesn't need to be.
EDIT: In this day and age, carrying a weapon in public is either a political statement or a deterrent. If the deterrent doesn't work, you should not be actually using the weapon, you should be trying to escape or evade your attacker, not attacking right back. Basic civilian self-defense.
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That would sort of depend on your attacker's goals. If they want your money? Give it to them. If they want to harm you? Threaten harm back and they will most likely back down if they consider the threat high enough. If they are drugged out / crazy in the head / determined to eliminate anyone who could be a witness to what they did / tried to do? Lethal force.
People forget, the reason lethal weapons are a deterrent is that the antagonist knows that you are prepared to use whatever means necessary to defend yourself / others / your property. People that aren't willing to follow through with that threat are actually probably doing more harm than good... if you aren't willing to use the weapon, don't raise the stakes with it. You'll just aggravate the situation and now, if the threat doesn't make the attacker back down, they will be more likely to harm / kill you and others.
Besides, if you follow some simple rules and know how to use your weapon (I would kind of hope so, it would be like having a car only for use in emergencies where you can't wait for an ambulance and never bothering to learn how to drive until you needed it otherwise).
1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded (aka a gun is always loaded)
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend (are not willing) to shoot
3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire. (Watching action movies can get aggravating after learning this one.)
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
Those are the four weapons safety rules they teach in USMC boot camp. (Easy to remember: Treat, Never, Keep, Keep) Add this one in and you're golden:
5. Know your target and what lies behind it.
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that kind of mindset completely invalidates the deterrent aspect. "he has a weapon, but he's not going to use it, he's going to try to run" is not likely to scare off any criminals. if it does, great. but it's NOT the only reason to carry a weapon for self defense. self defense is the reason to carry for self defense. if i have to hurt someone who is attacking me, that's not on me. i understand and respect your personal position on the subject, and your deciding on that course of action should the situation arise, but taking away everyone else's right to defend themselves if they choose is just asinine.
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I assume that because if you're actually using it you're doing it wrong and just going to get somebody hurt that doesn't need to be.
Then you are in favor of banning weapons, not allowing them to be carried, and have no place pretending otherwise.
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Deterrance is still a valid reason for carrying a weapon. Intimidation will always be a factor to the common crook. If you look tougher than you're worth, the common crook will not try to rob you.
Those that are not deterred are not the common crooks. They are either desperate, uncommonly stupid, or legitimately don't care. Against this type of criminal, readying or firing your weapon is an escalation that is almost universally not in your best interests. Your life is worth more than your wallet, every single time. Your life is worth more than your car keys, every single time. Deliberately pulling a weapon on an armed robber isn't self-defense, it's idiocy.
Against those kind of criminal that will shoot without the escalation, the weapon exists as a last resort. This kind of criminal will not tell you to stick 'em up in the cliche sense. This robber will start shooting anyway. This is the only scenario in which returning fire can reasonably be a proportionate response. Furthermore, if you find yourself in this situation, you are probably doing it wrong. This kind of criminal does not walk along a crowded mid-day street looking for a mark. This kind of criminal preys on those isolated from help and in a secluded place when no one is around. Common sense, avoid those places.
Concealed carry offers none of the advantages of deterrance. Concealed carry deters no one. Concealed carry offers no advantages over open carry other than that you can surprise your opponent with return fire. If you are returning fire, you have either handled the situation incorrectly, or the situation was headed there anyway and the concealed part offers exactly zero benefit over open carry.
Don't put words in my mouth. I very explicitly support open carry. I very explicitly do not support concealed carry, because the benefits gained are minimal and the risks taken are disproportionate.
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obEuropean: You are all crazy.
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obEuropean: You are all crazy.
Trust me, they look just as nuts from the north side of their national borders too :P (this coming from a licensed firearms user).
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If only there were a public hotline that let us call in drone/bunker busting/tactical thermonuclear strikes on potential muggers none of this would be a problem and people would have to respect my iPhone :(
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Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm not. I'm simply following your idea of "if you have it you should never use it" to its logical conclusion. You propose that random guy #97 will carry a weapon and then never ever use it when faced with the situation for which (for whatever reason you think they're carrying) they are carrying. This idea says things about the psychology and behavior of humans that are demonstrably false. (For whatever reason in most case we will pull the weapon on the mugger and try to use it if they don't back off. It's a fact.)
You're ultimately proposing a ban, via the instance on no use. But you haven't considered your position as it relates to actual human behavior very well, so you haven't reached that point in the evolution of your thought process yet.
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I never said that random guy #97 will never use it. I said that using it represents a breakdown of the situation that more than likely falls squarely on the shoulders of the carrier. You're still putting words into my mouth. Using it represents a failure, plain and simple. That does not preclude its use being necessary in select situations, nor does it automatically preclude its use in other situations.
EDIT: Nor do I believe that a ban would be effective in any situation. A criminal will not care if a weapon is banned. Outright banning weapons is counterproductive at the highest level. You seem to be looking at my argument and discussing another that bears only a passing resemblance.
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Oh dear.
Uh...sorry for basically doing a drive-by on this thread. My intention wasn't to troll or provoke. I, personally, don't like being told where I can and cannot carry, unless there's an an overwhelmingly obvious reason that no one should have a weapon - like on an airplane. It's not about the terrorists. Good luck explaining why a window blew out and decompressed the cabin. Situations like that.
I have the right to arm bears, dammit.
(http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv161/dartfrog_bucket/the-right-to-arm-bears-demotivation.jpg)
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Have we reached the point in the discussion where I can point out that numerous first-world democracies other than the US have restricted or banned both concealed and open carry, all of whom have lower homicide rates than the United States (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/oct/10/unitednations-development-data)?
Permissive firearms carrying laws do not equate to lower incidences of crime. Granted, comparing one country to another always has an element of apples-to-oranges to it.
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If only there were a public hotline that let us call in drone/bunker busting/tactical thermonuclear strikes on potential muggers none of this would be a problem and people would have to respect my iPhone :(
That post of mine that turned into a mass of statistics was originally going to be a glib remark about escalation and suitcase nukes.
I, personally, don't like being told where I can and cannot carry, unless there's an an overwhelmingly obvious reason that no one should have a weapon.
Universities have an extremely densely packed population of young adults, in their first years away from the guidance of their parents and the support networks they had built in their hometowns, under a host of stresses (and with a variety of privileges) that they've never had to deal with before. I'll also amend that previous stat dump with another table from the FBI: homicide rates by age (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls). Among the general population, university-aged adults are the most homicidal population in the United States. It sounds like a powder keg, yet university campuses tend to have lower violent crime rates than their host cities. Perhaps the absence/near-absence of weapons helps prevent incidents of on-campus violence from occurring or escalating.
I want to bring back something you said in your earlier post:
This is why people should be allowed to concealed carry on campus.
I assumed "this" to refer to the crime anecdotes that had been posted in the thread, up to that point, making the meaning of your message one that campuses would have fewer incidents of violent crime with greater availability of weapons. Now, you've said that you just don't like being told when you can and can't carry. Did I misinterpret your first post, or are you backpedalling?
If you do think campuses would be safer with greater availability of weaponry, do you have any data to back up that position?
If you're backing off of that position, do you think that, "I, personally, don't like being told where I can and cannot carry," is adequate reason for any/all university campus(es) to rescind their current weapon policies, despite the wider-reaching consequences?
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DATE: July 14, 2012 4:14:52 AM EDT
Crime Warning
Crime Warning Communication
Reported Offense: On 07/14/2012 at approximately 2:45 am, a group of 4 students were approached by 2 dark complexion males and 2 light complexion males in a sliver sedan as they were walking on Dan Allen Dr. in the vicinity of the West Dunn Building. The suspects implied that they had a gun and told the students to empty their pockets. The students refused and the suspects drove off. No weapon was displayed, no force was used and no injuries resulted from the encounter. The suspects fled the scene south on Dan Allen Dr. No other description of the suspects or the vehicle is available.
Contact NC State University Campus Police if you have any information that will help with this case, 919.515.3000 or 911 for emergencies.
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typical idiots trolling college campus
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I don't mean to necro, but I don't think my post deserves an entirely new thread.
We may get some important evidence in this discussion soon: http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159921428/u-of-colorado-to-students-no-guns-in-dorms-please (http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159921428/u-of-colorado-to-students-no-guns-in-dorms-please)
The University of Colorado is now allowing students with concealed carry permits to carry their weapons on campus, as long as the dorms and sporting events stay gun-free.
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I, frankly, am not concerned by that.
At my prior university (which mind you, was in Arizona), a lot of students brought their guns and kept them in the trunks of their cars. I never once felt unsafe on campus, and one of my very good friends actually had an AK variant in his posession. Whoop-de-frikkin'-doo. Personal responsibility carries the day at the end, and no doubt the high concentration of ROTC cadets on campus (myself included at the time) had something to do with that.
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I, frankly, am not concerned by that.
At my prior university (which mind you, was in Arizona), a lot of students brought their guns and kept them in the trunks of their cars. I never once felt unsafe on campus, and one of my very good friends actually had an AK variant in his posession. Whoop-de-frikkin'-doo. Personal responsibility carries the day at the end, and no doubt the high concentration of ROTC cadets on campus (myself included at the time) had something to do with that.
QFCommonSense