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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: est1895 on July 19, 2012, 07:21:28 pm
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Did they work together or were the same? :lol:
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Nah, Gestapo were more police. The SS were the Nazi party's own military-ish branch, but IIRC they were distinct up until at one point they were merged.
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Not sure if serious...
The Gestapo was the secret police, unless I'm mistaken. The SS superceded the SA, where both were fighting arms of the Nazi party. Both were quite creepy and bad and all that jazz.
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The SS were blatantly a military arm. They were reputed initially as an elite, fanatical arm. While they remained fanatical, their level of quality dropped over the course of the war as attrition took its toll.
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I'm pretty sure the gestapo didn't have tanks
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Okay step back people, I got this.
The Gestapo were not, technically, a Nazi organization, because they were an official part of the the German government and incorporated several pre-Nazi organs into a unified part of the national police. The name is a diminutive; Geheime Staatspolizei is the full name, or Secret State Police. Their purpose and portfolio was to keep watch against and suppress political subversion and domestic radicalism, and on the surface wasn't much more threatening than the way the FBI keeps half-interested track of domestic radical groups with the potential to go terrorist.
Of course the Gestapo got a lot more manpower and a lot more ability to be free with its surveillance and questioning and arrests and things went downhill. This wasn't helped by the fact that the Gestapo reported to the man who was the head of the SS, and eventually, was integrated into a unified police administration including the Kripo (regular cops), Gestapo, and the SS Sicherheitsdienst (which did foreign and domestic intelligence gathering, counterintelligence, and several other functions related to security).
The SS originated as a bodyguard service for senior Nazi Party members and part of the brown-shirted SA, hence the name Schutzstaffel, or Protection Squadron, and its paramilitary stylings. It rapidly outgrew this role, casting itself as the elite of the Nazi Party. It had numerous branches and offshoots. This include, as others have alluded to, the Waffen SS combat troops, but also the Sicherheitsdienst or SD mentioned above, running the concentration camps, death squads which followed the army around for on-the-spot execution of people the Nazis didn't like, a separate court system and police which was the only group able to try an SS member for a crime, and finally personal guard groups for Hitler and his residences. (And that's just the parts that were considered main SS; there were several civilian auxiliaries including one for women, who couldn't become true members of the SS.)
In essence the SS was a mini-country unto itself within Germany.
The two organizations were not the same; the Gestapo essentially succumbed to SS control but it was never a formalized part of the SS organization nor was membership in the Nazi party or the SS required to be a member of the Gestapo.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Gestapo get much of their information from citizens ratting on each other? If this was indeed the case, it certainly would explain the secret police seemingly being everywhere.
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Did they work together or were the same? :lol:
Not sure if trolling, or just incredibly clueless. learn2research, noob.
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But then where does HYDRA fit in?
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Already answered in this thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=80089.0).
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But then where does HYDRA fit in?
Right there, on the bottom shelf, left side.
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All I was asking if they worked together. :hopping: Whats the reason? Some movies here in America, depict the Gestapo (wearing a suit) together with a man from the SS (wearing a black uniform). :rolleyes:
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And all we are saying is that a quick trip to wikipedia would have answered that question.
Also, American filmmakers, generally speaking, are not that concerned about historical accuracy.
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I think we clarified what the "gestoppo" [sic] was the last time you started a thread on this subject (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=80089.msg1587786#msg1587786). Do you want Battuta to have to again recount the arrest of his entire family for speeding on the pre-Autobahn roadways? The poor man never saw his family again, stop picking at the scabs.
:wtf: whats with the never ending requests for Deutsch translations and Gestapo questions anyway?
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people like nazis. seriously they are like the most awesome badguys that ever really existed. case in point:
http://www.xkcd.com/984/
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All I was asking if they worked together. :hopping: Whats the reason? Some movies here in America, depict the Gestapo (wearing a suit) together with a man from the SS (wearing a black uniform). :rolleyes:
Flying pigs have more to do with fact that Hollywood, bleg if you listen to American film makers then America won every war in history and it was done by 1-8 people, the only people that did anything wrong were the bad guys and the allies of America are all inept.
seriously if you want the basic facts about history read a few pages on Wikipedia, or better yet go down to your local library and take out a couple of the numerous reference books they will have on WWII, you might also learn that the the only thing the war in the pacific had to do with the war in Europe was the Alliance between Germany, Italy, Japan and to begin with Russia. Also you might learn that it was the Russians that technically won the war in Europe not the UK or America
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Or that the Russians were basically a different flavor of the same evil that the Nazis propagated...
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I'd be curious to see where the Russians would be without the logistical backing of the United States :P
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I'd be curious to see where the Russians would be without the logistical backing of the United States :P
On a different note, are you saying that the USSR would have lost the war without the help of the Allies?
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That's actually a really good question, and I'm not sure the answer can be known. However, the Soviets definately would have had a much harder time fighting the Germans.
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On a different note, are you saying that the USSR would have lost the war without the help of the Allies?
Hard to say. Most of the assistance that went to Russia from the Western Allies was industrial, and Russia's 1941/1942 industrial miracle that let it rebuild its armor and artillery is what ultimately won the war, but how related those things are is difficult to assess. It may no longer be possible from existent records.