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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Unknown Target on June 17, 2002, 08:34:30 am
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I've finally decided to take the plunge.
I'm going to buy a console.
So, whcih is better, PS2 or Xbox (I'm not even going to consider the Gay Cube).
Help please.
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Can you outline what you're looking for in a console? I mean - you might be looking for childish games - at which the Game Cube excels (although it's not all that way - Rogue Leader and Super Smash Brothers are amazing pieces of software). The X-Box obviously has Halo but I'm not sure what else... Halo kinda eclipses any news about other X-Box titles (at least as far as those of us who don't look go). And the PS2 seems to be a pleasent mix of the two... MGS2 and GTA3 both being selling points as well as its DVD functionality.
So without you outlining what you want in a console it's totally impossible to say which is better, remember your buying a console for its games more than anything else - not for anything else it can do like a PC can).
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I really like my PS2, wuv it to bits, but the good thing about XBox is Halo .... GRRR ARGGG!! ..... in other words i dunno
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the Xbox has cool games like DoD3 or Munch odyssey. the PS2 has crap. Make your choice :p
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What I'm looking for are basically some childish games (for my kid brother, he's gonna want to play it, too :(, he's 10), and some mid-range games, like Halo, but all I've seen so far is Halo, Halo, Halo. Plus there seems to be more games for PS2. But I'm also looking for graphics, which X-box excels at, but basically some fun-to-play boredom-busters, for when I get bored of the computer. As well as some relative longetivity of the games.
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And out of interest - what's wrong with the Game Cube? Seems a perfectly good console from what I've seen of it (though more angled to kids games than anything more substantial).
From what you say though - the PS2 might be the best bet (plus it's got a built in DVD player...)
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Becuase it's basically a kiddie console, it doesn't have as good graphics, and you need to pay extra for a DVD player (granted, so does the X-Box)
Plus you need a seperate memory stick for both it and the PS2. That's another point for the X-Box, though. IT comes with a built-in 20 gig hard drive.
Boy this is tough to decide!
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Originally posted by venom2506
the Xbox has cool games like DoD3 or Munch odyssey. the PS2 has crap. Make your choice :p
Crap...crap?! Grand Theft Auto 3, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry...have you played any of these games?! Do your homework before bashing another system. Also...DOA3? Heh, PS2 is getting a revamped version later on this year. And we already have VF4 to hold us off, along with the upcoming Tekken4, Soul Calibur2, and MK5. Munch's Odyessey...ech..I'll take Jak and Daxter any day over that game. Granted it isn't incredibly horrible...I just think it could've done better.
Okay..enough of that rant. I'd go with the PS2. It already has a great library of games and it's also backwards-compatible, meaning you can also play virtually every (some games aren't compatible, though it's only about a dozen. Not bad considering the hundreds that were produced.) PS1 on the system with no extra hardware (though you will need a PS1 memory card to save the data). The X-Box is alright...but aside from Halo, it doesn't have much going for it. And I'll be damned if it doesn't have the worst video game controler ever created.
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Bah..i'm sticking with my PC.
forever!!!!!!!!! :thepimp:
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X-Box will win in the long run.
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'Pikmin' for the games cube looks quite fun, but i wouldnt buy it just for that.
I'd get an Xbox.
pete
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dont buy a console because it has DVD... external DVD Players are now like 80 bucks (and smaller too). xbox has Halo, which gets really boring after a while (Instead try Tribes 2... if your system can handle it), and Dead or Alive 3... kinda sucky fighting game... but if you like to jack off while you play... this is your game.
Gamecube... if you liked the N64... you'll realise this system has potential... not all the games are "kiddie" games thou.
PS2: welll... IMO Metal Gear Solid isn't that great of a game, and GTA3 is on the PC now... so no point (expecially if you have a PS1)
Ill just stick with my kickass pc system.
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Depends, if you want a console that's friggin' the size of a small house, then get Xbox! The controllers you have to be a basketball player to have hands big enough to hold them!
(i mean, you can always play halo ;) )
and if you want a console that plays DVDs, then get a ps2 :) lol
(MGS2)
i've got a ps2, but my neighbor has an xbox, which i don't like
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i thought the xbox controllers seemed a little small
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Ok, so that's three for the PS2, 3 for the XBox, and two completely unrelated vouchers for the PC:D.
The reason I'm getting a console is because I need the quick-fix action games that it provides. Granted, PC games are better in every respect, but all the games I have require some serious time to play. I have Mech3, HW, Freespace 2, and Empire Earth, all of which I've beaten at least 3 times, and I want to try something different besides the usual PC fair. Plus consoles have more games for the Space-sim genre, as on the PC, that has almost completely died out. :(
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
I've finally decided to take the plunge.
I'm going to buy a console.
So, whcih is better, PS2 or Xbox (I'm not even going to consider the Gay Cube).
Help please.
As an avid console gamer I'm shocked by your limited view of possibly the best platform available. Before you automatically dismiss this as a rant by a nintendo flunky I'll clearly state that I have thoroughly put all of the so called next gen consoles through their paces and am basing my conclusion on both game quality and asthetic quality of the console experience.
PS2 is the 'cool' console. It has an astounding library of software available including all of the games that worked on the PSone, unfortunately as anyone who owns a PS2 will tell you the vast majority of games available for it are really bad. This is partially due to games companies cashing in on old licences by making sequels.
There are obvious exceptions such as the sublime MGS and MGS2, Silent hill and for the demolition fans GTA3 but most of the other popular games available are niche games. The Final fantasy series for instance is quite aggrivating if you don't like turn based strategy. You may actually have a hard time finding games that you actually want to play.
Xbox I have to say is one of the most overhyped dissapointments since 'The phantom menace'. Before I start I'll say one thing in it's favor.
Halo absolutely rocks. It really is an excellent gaming experience.
Now onto the dissing unfortunately. Let's start with one of the most annoying aspects of the console, the controller. It looks like it was designed by a guy who really likes burgers; big burgers. It has aproximately the shape and volume of the ideal 'big mac', no, not that flimsy thing we get here in europe. That cow in a sandwich monster that makes one in three americans unhealtily overweight. The buttons are too small, too close together and the analogue stick was placed in exactly the wrong position. It reeks of cheap materials and bad design. It was built to look good and even there it fails miserably.
Next we have the console. It pushes around more polys per second than any other machine. Fact. Well woop de doo to the world, it looks really nifty but sadly the games available to show off the mighty graphics are so ordinary you forget that you're playing a game and simply notice how much work some art guy in Tecmo put into the characters and backgrounds in DOA3.
Xbox relys on hype to fool the masses into believing that it's the best do you see many exciting Xbox games on the horizon? I don't. So much potential so few results.
Lastly we have nintendo's machine. If it truely is gay then you can paint me bright pink (or any of the other available colors). This machine proves that some research and development departments do actually deserve the cash they're being paid.
"It's really small so it has to be underpowered" you cry! Well it is true that it pushes less polys per second than both Microsoft and Sony's machines but it applies more effects to those polys than either of the other two machines so you generally get more atmosphere in the games. The controller is simply sublime, it's one of the most impressive pieces of ergonomics I've ever witnessed.
Isn't it strange that nintendo can release their machine at a significantly lower price than any other console? It should be apparant that both Microsoft and Sony rely on the machine's price as an important source of profit. Nintendo by comparison are so convinced that gamers will enjoy the available software and buy lots of it that they can afford to launch the machine at a much lower price.
Play Supermonkeyball and tell me that you're not enjoying yourself despite the fact that it has extremely childish artwork.
This machine was built by gamers for gamers. Ignore it and you could wonder what you're missing when you see everyone else having a great time.
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*raises eyebrow at thread*
Really, we are getting very personally defensive about our consoles now, aren't we? :rolleyes: ;)
I'll come out and admit it: I have an XBox, and the only game I own is Halo. It's a fantastic game, IMO, but I can't see a great deal that's currently available for the machine that will get me buying. However, I think that criticism of the control is unfair. I've always found the PS2 controller incredibly difficult to use to the extent that I'm really, really terrible at PS2 games. However, the XBox controller feels a lot better. No pain, even. :)
However, you should pay attention to a couple of words and phrases in that paragraph in particular: IMO and I think. That's a personal opinion, and I don't think for things like controllers you'll be able to take someone else's comments as gospel. Since they're fairly easy to try out at stores (at least around here) why not try that first?
As far as games and so on go, you can take other people's opinions a little more safely. Personally I don't think any game on the XBox is particularly outstanding other than Halo, though I hear good things about Jet Set Radio Future. The PS2 has a larger crop of good games, but it's been around for longer so that's to be expected. There are still a lot of games coming out though, so don't let that put you off - the graphics aren't too bad either.
Looking to the future, I'd personally say XBox - but then I would, wouldn't I? :p There are plenty of good-looking games coming out for it, to refute Meg:
Timesplitters 2
Unreal Championship
Deus Ex 2
Mechassault
James Bond: Nightfire
Oh yeah, and there's the prospect of a Halo 2 which will apparently add bots and a map editor (plus other things, but it's a ways off yet).
Anyway - take your time, try out your friends' consoles if possible first too. That's how I got hold of an XBox *remembers playing Halo on launch day...*
Enjoy. :)
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Originally posted by PhReAk
i thought the xbox controllers seemed a little small
:wtf:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-03-25&res=l
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Eh, I'd get all three of them if they were being sold around here... as it is, though, I had to get Shrike to smuggle me a PS2 when he came over (import taxes are absurdly high). What I can say, though, is that it was well worth the price - I only have three games up to now, but all of them are amazing (GTA3, FFX and GT3), and damn fun to play. I didn't have a DVD player either, so it was a bonus to have it built in on the console.
Now, can't say much about the others - never used them, and I can't find them around here, except for a single store that's charging something like triple the original price or something. Ah well.
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Originally posted by Kellan
*raises eyebrow at thread*
Really, we are getting very personally defensive about our consoles now, aren't we? :rolleyes: ;)
I'll come out and admit it: I have an XBox, and the only game I own is Halo. It's a fantastic game, IMO, but I can't see a great deal that's currently available for the machine that will get me buying. However, I think that criticism of the control is unfair. I've always found the PS2 controller incredibly difficult to use to the extent that I'm really, really terrible at PS2 games. However, the XBox controller feels a lot better. No pain, even. :)
However, you should pay attention to a couple of words and phrases in that paragraph in particular: IMO and I think. That's a personal opinion, and I don't think for things like controllers you'll be able to take someone else's comments as gospel. Since they're fairly easy to try out at stores (at least around here) why not try that first?
As far as games and so on go, you can take other people's opinions a little more safely. Personally I don't think any game on the XBox is particularly outstanding other than Halo, though I hear good things about Jet Set Radio Future. The PS2 has a larger crop of good games, but it's been around for longer so that's to be expected. There are still a lot of games coming out though, so don't let that put you off - the graphics aren't too bad either.
Looking to the future, I'd personally say XBox - but then I would, wouldn't I? :p There are plenty of good-looking games coming out for it, to refute Meg:
Timesplitters 2
Unreal Championship
Deus Ex 2
Mechassault
James Bond: Nightfire
Oh yeah, and there's the prospect of a Halo 2 which will apparently add bots and a map editor (plus other things, but it's a ways off yet).
Anyway - take your time, try out your friends' consoles if possible first too. That's how I got hold of an XBox *remembers playing Halo on launch day...*
Enjoy. :)
Well its something we can agree on, XboX will have the best in the longer run as Doom 3 might be comming out for it.
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Stick with the PC! They are upgradable and have the l33test games, and most software
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Technically, the X-box is better - slightly. But the Gc is very close (especially if you don't have an HDTV, which X-box games support - which impacts pixel fill rates or whatheve the hell the tech name is).
I have a PS2 (or rather, my borther has, but e's moving out), and I've tried both the X-box and GC. So far, the Gamecube is the only console I've instantly picked up and had fun with..... plus, both the Ps2 and X-box controller are (IMO) utter crap.
I'm going to buy a GC (if I raise the cash), because it's better value and i have doubts over whether Microsoft can really sustain the X-box with it's fairly appalling record outside America, especially in Japan.
The Ps2 isn;t a bad buy, though - it's got lots of quality games. so far,m I've only seen Halo as a game I'd buy for the X-box, but I'd buy Rouge Squadron, Mario Sunshine, etc when they come out.
Pe
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Originally posted by Kellan
As far as games and so on go, you can take other people's opinions a little more safely. Personally I don't think any game on the XBox is particularly outstanding other than Halo, though I hear good things about Jet Set Radio Future. The PS2 has a larger crop of good games, but it's been around for longer so that's to be expected. There are still a lot of games coming out though, so don't let that put you off - the graphics aren't too bad either.
Looking to the future, I'd personally say XBox - but then I would, wouldn't I? :p There are plenty of good-looking games coming out for it, to refute Meg:
Timesplitters 2
Unreal Championship
Deus Ex 2
Mechassault
James Bond: Nightfire
Oh yeah, and there's the prospect of a Halo 2 which will apparently add bots and a map editor (plus other things, but it's a ways off yet).
Anyway - take your time, try out your friends' consoles if possible first too. That's how I got hold of an XBox *remembers playing Halo on launch day...*
Enjoy. :)
I will only say that my post was simply pointing out that GC is a viable platform, it has advantages over PS2 and Xbox. I am in no way saying that you can't have a great gaming experience on PS2 or Xbox (I've played MGS2 and Halo and loved both of them).
Just incase you think I'm basing my judgement on only these two games I've also played:
XBOX-
DOA3
Project Gotham
PS2-
Silent hill 2
GTA3
Wipeout fusion
Gauntlet
Tekken Tag
Onimusha
GAMECUBE-
Rouge Leader
Monkeyball
Luigi's mansion
International superstar soccer 2
Super Smash Bros. Melee
As for Unreal and Deus Ex2. I wouldn't play them on Xbox, for mods alone I'd get the PC versions. As for the Bond game, if it is as good as it can be (from E3 reports) it will simply be Halo in a different package, not ideal if you own Halo but pretty darn great if you get the GC version :D
Mechassault I haven't seen yet but Timesplitters2 might be good, the PSone version was a few hours of fun. :nod:
Gamecube currently has the most potential and is the most fun in my opinion.
Of course you're totally right Kellan, anyone who's going to buy a console should give each of them a thoroughly good testing, that's how I chose GC. :)
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
(I'm not even going to consider the Gay Cube)
Bah, you have no taste. Nintendo 0wnzor5 4ll :D
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Originally posted by PhReAk
i thought the xbox controllers seemed a little small
are you KIDDING? what did you think of the PS2 controllers then? microscopic?
Originally posted by Maeglamor
Xbox I have to say is one of the most overhyped dissapointments since 'The phantom menace'.
You're forgetting Windows ME
Originally posted by Maeglamor
It has aproximately the shape and volume of the ideal 'big mac', no, not that flimsy thing we get here in europe. That cow in a sandwich monster that makes one in three americans unhealtily overweight. The buttons are too small, too close together and the analogue stick was placed in exactly the wrong position. It reeks of cheap materials and bad design. It was built to look good and even there it fails miserably.
B]
And the verdict: 10/10 for accuracy; 10/10 for description, and 10/10 for illustrating how pathetic anything to do with Xbox really is!
Originally posted by Maeglamor
Isn't it strange that nintendo can release their machine at a significantly lower price than any other console?
And, may I add, at a significantly smaller console size!
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What is wrong with the gamecube? I personally think that it is the best of the bunch. What makes a console good is the games available. Most of the games for the PS2 and Xbox are just ports for goodness sakes. They aren't original. Also, take a look at the controllers. The X-box one is one of the most clunky ones ever. It is nowhere near as good as the gamecube's.
Go GameCube!
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Maeg: I'm certainly going to be getting UT 2003 for the PC simply because it's out on that first. However, it is a slightly different game to Unreal Championship on the XBox (ie. it has vehicles and so on) - but probably not different enough to justify spending so much money on. :D
The other games I will take as they come. I'd love DX on my computer if it will run the damn thing... :o
However, with games like that, you're finally seeing a bunch of games coming out for the XBox that aren't ports, so you get improving graphics and so on. I know that they're avilable for the PC, and that a lot of PC games are being ported, like Medal of Honor - but consider this: if you're not a big computer expert, you may not have the high-spec computer that these games demand. In addition, you might not want to go fiddling around with installers and modding (:ha: MOH) and so on. This is where a console always comes in, so I don't see the problem with offering high-quality ports - they let more people play a good game.
Besides, it's console games that'll eventually pay for things like FS3. You don't think Halo would've sold a million units if it needed a 1.4Ghz PC to run, do you? :wink:
Besides, lots of nice ports coming my way...I think MGS Substance and MGS3 are coming out on the XBox. As Zeronet says, Doom 3 might be coming too - and even now my computer won't run that. :D
Besides, I always bought an XBox knowing that if I got bored, it was full of expensive computer stuff that I could (I hope) nick out of it - a better 3D card than I have, some RAM, a 20GB hard drive...and so on. Cannibalization rules! :p
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Originally posted by Kellan
Cannibalization rules! :p
Unfortunately, I don't think you'd be able to rip the parts off the mainboard on that thing... Never really opened one up, so I can't be sure, but it's unlikely that they built it with slots and cards... ;)
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I am a pro-computer, anti-console nut. :D
Stick with the PC! They are upgradable and have the l33test games, and most software
:yes2: :nod: :yes:
Besides, consoles cannot run Mathematica!
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If you insist on buying a console:
X-Box - Only has Halo and Fusion Frenzy. All other games are crap.
PS2 - Gameplay is somewhat lacking. Wipeout Fusion kicks ass but other than that........
GameCube - Super Monkey Ball, Rogue Leader, Pikmin. It has tons of uber-gameplay games. They've almost finished Resident Evil and it looks pant stainingly good.
In short. Buy an X-Box if you're only gonna play Halo, otherwise get a GameCube. And get a GBA too.
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Originally posted by an0n
In short. Buy an X-Box if you're only gonna play Halo, otherwise get a GameCube. And get a GBA too.
X-box i don't really like
GameCube does pwn though!!! :D :D :D :cool:
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Can't remember who said it, but...
It's not how the polygon moves, but how much fun it is to move it.
GameCube.
I'd say PS2 is a good bet too, though, since there's CD and DVD functionality. There's also a MASSIVE library of PS1 and 2 games to pick from, so you're bound to find at least a dozen games you like.
And one more thing: try researching, typing, organizing, and presenting a school project on the X-Box. Or visiting HLP on a Playstation. Or making new player skins on the Nintendo. A PC is the most versitile; if you're worried about cost, just buy a new video card every 3 years and a new processor every 5. I've had my system since 1998 and it runs FS2, D3, Q3A, RTCW, and JK2 with my upgrades easily. (Okay, it chokes on volumetric shadows. But it's not bad!)
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Originally posted by an0n
And get a GBA too.
Yeah GBA really is a great little machine. I've started playing Zelda - a link to the past for the first time. It was written in 1993 if I remember correctly. It really kicks ass :)
Castelvania was good, bomberman kicks ass (especially with friends) and there are a lot of excellent original gameboy games available too. :nod:
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If need be, I'm gonna sell my kidneys to buy Wipeout for the GBA when they finish that BlueRoses thingy.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
X-Box will win in the long run.
Bah!!! With games like Metroid Prime and Zelda coming out for gamecube will win the long run. Metroid has superior graphics to really anything i've seen on x-box... even though Zelda is cel-shaded, it's still gonna be one heck of a game... Gamecubes games right now already are the best... Smash, Pikmin (addicting), Rogue Leader, Monkey Ball, etc...
Oh, BTW... GO GAMECUBE!!!:D
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lol, it looks like most people's advice is to get a GameCube :D X-box is just too overhyped.... I mean take a look at the sales... In Japan, even the PS1 is outselling the X-Box :D
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Originally posted by Blitz_Lightning
lol, it looks like most people's advice is to get a GameCube :D X-box is just too overhyped.... I mean take a look at the sales... In Japan, even the PS1 is outselling the X-Box :D
Realting to that, I bet the wonderswan is selling more :D
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Bah. If I bought a console, I'd get an Xbox. Sure, the GC has very original and inovative games, but I just don't like that kind of "bright colours, happy happy&joy joy"-games. Right now, all Xbox has is Halo, but I believe it's going to change.
PS2... well, sucks :nod:
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[chant]P S 2, P S 2, P S 2, P S 2, P S 2[/chant]
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I hate alol sorts of consoles...i had a gameboy for 5 years it sucked so i dumped it from a 5 high building
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I hate alol sorts of consoles
:yes: :nod: :D
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Originally posted by Dr.Zer0
[chant]P S 2, P S 2, P S 2, P S 2, P S 2[/chant]
Amen.
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[Yell] Gamecube gamecube gamecube OI OI OI! [/Yell]
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*raises banner*
*waves 8-way sledgehammer with dual AGP 8x/3Dlabs P10 flag around in the air*
:D