Mildly? That guy's nuts. I'd rather have him imprisoned for a lifetime, either in prison or mental institution.
Good thinking, Nuke. :yes: Of course, some would complain, but I guess they've never been kidnapped as children. I'm afraid the chances of such method being implemented are slim though. TBH, if I had anything to say, I'd simply have the guy executed. It's UK though, so it's also not an option. He ruined the lives of two children, so it'd seem like a just to deprive him of his. Lifetime imprisonment seems too good for them, especially that there are honest people in Poland who live in worse conditions than UK prisoners.Mildly? That guy's nuts. I'd rather have him imprisoned for a lifetime, either in prison or mental institution.
id deal with the problem in the vlad the impaler sort of way. i also had an intresting idea a few months back. get a giant plexiglass tank, and chain some pedophiles to the bottom of it. seal em in and at the top of the tank, place public toilets. you literally drown them in human waste in public view, and anyone who wants to can go take a dump. this idea is, needles to say, not original. but i think it would be quite effective.
He ruined the lives of two children, so it'd seem like a just to deprive him of his.
You've never had a trauma, did you? Those kids will feel the effects for the rest of their life, and this won't be pretty. There were two children who had their lives half destroyed, so I'd say it adds up pretty well.QuoteHe ruined the lives of two children, so it'd seem like a just to deprive him of his.
Its not like he killed them, they just have a trauma. So no, I dont see how it is supposed to be just.
Except allowing for death penalties has not shown to be an effective deterrent, and it may increase homicides as well.Well, I'd say it's a pretty effective deterrent once it's applied. I didn't heard to anybody doing whatever they did again. The fact that U.S. can't even execute a convict without wasting taxpayers money is another thing, but it's not like prison maintenance is cheap, either. Tropico 4 illustrates this well. You can build and maintain a prison, hire policemen and put criminals there for 1000$ each. Or you could have them shot for 500$ and give an unrelated, pompous speech to reduce the respect penalty. The choice is rather obvious.
e: It's also very expensive in the U.S. and the process is agonizing.
Well, I'd say it's a pretty effective deterrent once it's applied. I didn't heard to anybody doing whatever they did again. The fact that U.S. can't even execute a convict without wasting taxpayers money is another thing, but it's not like prison maintenance is cheap, either. Tropico 4 illustrates this well. You can build and maintain a prison, hire policemen and put criminals there for 1000$ each. Or you could have them shot for 500$ and give an unrelated, pompous speech to reduce the respect penalty. The choice is rather obvious.
Oh, and excuse my grim attempts at humor, my government is annoying me again.
Well, I'd say it's a pretty effective deterrent once it's applied. I didn't heard to anybody doing whatever they did again. The fact that U.S. can't even execute a convict without wasting taxpayers money is another thing, but it's not like prison maintenance is cheap, either. Tropico 4 illustrates this well. You can build and maintain a prison, hire policemen and put criminals there for 1000$ each. Or you could have them shot for 500$ and give an unrelated, pompous speech to reduce the respect penalty. The choice is rather obvious.
The cheapest solution to violent crime is prevention. Oddly enough, there are a ton of sociological studies out that that show the best way to prevent crime is to provide people with access to abortion* (fun study, that one), basic living essentials, access to health care, a safe living environment (meaning early intervention in domestic abuse/violence), a safe learning environment (safe schools / bullying consequences), and most of all, access and encouragement to pursue education. It is actually cheaper to do all of that than build more prisons, hire more police, and execute more criminals.Indeed. Now try to get politicians to efficiently implement that. The best way of dealing with crime would be to ensure people aren't inclined to go into crime in first place. A person who always could buy everything necessary, was raised with respect to law and order, was educated in a good, safe school and was a wanted child of loving parents (you mentioned access to abortion, it's a logical correlation if you think about it. There's a chance that a mother forced to give birth and raise a child will hate it, or that it'll be treated as "unwanted" in some other way. It doesn't always happen, but has disastrous consequences when it does. Orphanages have their own problems.) has very little chance of getting in conflict with the law. The few cases that do usually could be prevented with psychiatric treatment. On the other hand, ensuring everybody has such upbringing is a titanic task. Also, it can't really be accomplished by government alone, many of those require a good income, which means one or both parents are employed in a decent job.
it's nice to know that your time playing tropico 4 gave you such insight into the broader social effects of the death penaltyNote, this line about Tropico was meant as a joke, as was the entire game, for that matter. It is, of course, a good thing death penalty isn't used recklessly. One thing though. Shouldn't similar measures be applied to ensure a person isn't wrongfully imprisoned? It's a stigma for the entire life, and being stuck with criminals could lead to becoming like them. While child molesters and rapists get what they deserve in there, putting an innocent person in there could destroy their life for good. It might be worth the expense to ensure this doesn't happen. (well, I guess I strayed from the topic a bit)
Oh and by the way, the reason the death penalty is so expensive in the US is primarily because there are a lot of expensive legal measures to prevent miscarriages of justice. I guess you'd prefer to execute a few innocents if it cut down on prison costs, though.
To all those claiming we should have draconian measures, I just have one sentence to say.To be cynic:
What about those wrongly imprisoned?
But if we reduce the crime rates and conviction rates, all those privately run prisons won't have any repeat business! All those poor prison workers will be unemployed! This is just what I'd expect from all you soft-on-crime bleeding heart liberal "intellectual" types. Hmph!
To all those claiming we should have draconian measures, I just have one sentence to say.To be cynic:
What about those wrongly imprisoned?
They help to maintain a good sense of fear in the population.
Fear that is needed to keep the law respected.
To be cynic:
They help to maintain a good sense of fear in the population.
Fear that is needed to keep the law respected.
The penal system should mainly be about rehabilitation, not just slapping a punishment.
The fact that the US has so many punitive measures is... weird.
Can you provide any study not behind some paywall? I'd be happy to read it since I vaguely recall some comparisons made between the US and Norway, I think, that suggested that rehabilitation would be the way to go.
Indeed. Now try to get politicians to efficiently implement that.
Shouldn't similar measures be applied to ensure a person isn't wrongfully imprisoned?
The death penalty case, because it looks better on your resume. And I mean that in all seriousness.
That's very serious (Shirley yeah yeah), but also very cynical.