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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Unknown Target on June 20, 2002, 04:07:59 pm

Title: Be Amazed!
Post by: Unknown Target on June 20, 2002, 04:07:59 pm
Look at these graphics! This is from Lock On: Modern Air Combat:

(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/f16_dusk.jpg)
Title: Be Amazed!
Post by: Fineus on June 20, 2002, 04:11:58 pm
Very pretty, but how does it play? It's been my experience that all recent modern air sims have been really technical and close to photo realistic but really boring on the gameplay side.
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Post by: Alikchi on June 20, 2002, 04:29:09 pm
That is damn good. The best sim in recent memory, I think, was IL-2.
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Post by: heretic on June 20, 2002, 04:30:01 pm
FS2k2 is great, especially multiplayer.

the only problem is you need to run SATCO as well as Nav2k2 in order to have full ATC support, and it tends to drain your RAM
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Post by: Kellan on June 20, 2002, 04:36:10 pm
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Originally posted by heretic
FS2k2 is great, especially multiplayer.

the only problem is you need to run SATCO as well as Nav2k2 in order to have full ATC support, and it tends to drain your RAM


Wow, I never really understood how unintellgible acronyms and abbreviations could make a sentence unreadable.

I d nw. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Shrike on June 20, 2002, 04:38:47 pm
[q]Said by me when I saw that pic
Ho-ly ****.....[/q]
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Post by: aldo_14 on June 20, 2002, 04:40:09 pm
How come the plane has no engine flare, no lights, or indeed nothng to indicate it hasn;t been pre-rendered and cut-and-paste onto a background?

Plus, do the waves actually move?
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Post by: Kellan on June 20, 2002, 04:40:38 pm
[q]Said by me...sometime:
Nice render. But schmeh; modern flying games are dull. Recreating WW2 dogfighting in space is where it's at *ahem*[/q]

:nod:
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Post by: Styxx on June 20, 2002, 04:41:45 pm
Hm, looks good, but an ocean is hardly the best example to show off an engine...
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Post by: Kellan on June 20, 2002, 04:42:53 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
How come the plane has no engine flare, no lights, or indeed nothng to indicate it hasn;t been pre-rendered and cut-and-paste onto a background?


Hmm, you're right. There's no sense of movement or potential movement at all. :wtf:

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Plus, do the waves actually move? [/B]


The move in your mind. In your miiiiiinnnndd..... :nod:
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Post by: Snakeseyes on June 20, 2002, 06:05:53 pm
[q]Said by Shrike when he saw that pic
Ho-ly ****.....[/q]


You use "-" when you talk?:confused:
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Post by: Styxx on June 20, 2002, 11:33:01 pm
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Originally posted by Snakeseyes
You use "-" when you talk?:confused:


Meh, should I sate the obvious or not... :D :p
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Post by: JR2000Z on June 20, 2002, 11:40:02 pm
Looks more like a render.
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Post by: Stealth on June 20, 2002, 11:41:56 pm
They should at least have the heat coming from the exhaust making the air a little warped, i don't know what word to use, but you know what i mean

awesome though!!!
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Post by: CP5670 on June 20, 2002, 11:44:06 pm
That image is actually not all that detailed in terms of polygon count, as the water is probably a flat surface with a wave texture. The plane looks nice but is comparable to those of other games; the lighting on the water is really the only thing that makes it resemble a render.
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Post by: Stunaep on June 21, 2002, 12:39:27 am
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Originally posted by CP5670
That image is actually not all that detailed in terms of polygon count, as the water is probably a flat surface with a wave texture. The plane looks nice but is comparable to those of other games; the lighting on the water is really the only thing that makes it resemble a render.



sadly, I have to agree. :sigh:
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Post by: Carl on June 21, 2002, 12:50:13 am
the plane is't very well lit, but it like the bump mapping on the water.
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Post by: aldo_14 on June 22, 2002, 04:37:17 pm
Plus, the lighting on that missile wing (bottom rear) seems off... I'm sure that surface should be dull, not bright.

I reckon is probably a cut and paste job.... render the plane model(quickly), test the graphics engines little sea, and mess about with photoshop.  Or it's a non-final implementation.  And there's no guarentee that the engine can sustain numerous high-q models, complex AI and lighting, in the first (possibly second0 case.
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Post by: an0n on June 22, 2002, 04:38:50 pm
I've seen some promo vids and even when there's like 10 jets and a ton of battleships it still looks damn good.
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Post by: Thorn on June 22, 2002, 04:57:10 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
How come the plane has no engine flare, no lights, or indeed nothng to indicate it hasn;t been pre-rendered and cut-and-paste onto a background?

Plus, do the waves actually move?

Its not using its afterburners maybe? Even then, we should at least see heat distortion and a small amount of smoke....
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Post by: aldo_14 on June 22, 2002, 05:01:31 pm
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Originally posted by Thorn

Its not using its afterburners maybe? Even then, we should at least see heat distortion and a small amount of smoke....


Like er... I forget.  the wavy stuff off the top of radiators.  Or, in other countries, from the ground on a hot day.
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Post by: an0n on June 22, 2002, 05:03:44 pm
(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/luft_mig29.jpg)

They've got a ton of kick-ass screenshots.

http://www.lo-mac.com/screenshots.php
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Post by: Unknown Target on June 22, 2002, 06:34:56 pm
IL-2 Sturmovik is probably the best sim ever. It's the most realistic sim I have ever played, it looks fantastic (If you haven't seen the damage effects, you haven't lived computer gaming to it's fullest. Plus, and this is the most important, it's actually FUN! I mean, it really is fun! I started to take some life off of my pants out of sheer enjoyment, before (literally) I ever lifted of the ground. Even bailing out and crashing is fun!
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Post by: Unknown Target on June 22, 2002, 06:37:56 pm
This proves that none of the above were renders:

(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/dead_eagle.jpg) This was taken from a multiplayer match between developers, at least that's who I think  Geiger and Wags are.
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Post by: kode on June 22, 2002, 07:02:05 pm
*is amazed*
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Post by: Alikchi on June 22, 2002, 07:12:20 pm
:yes:
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Post by: Nico on June 22, 2002, 07:55:53 pm
oooooooooh! that's Flanker 2.0 sequel! All my doubts just vanished, this game is most likely a winner :nod:
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Post by: Gortef on June 25, 2002, 06:43:54 am
:yes2::eek::yes:

I must say that looks awesome...
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Post by: delta_7890 on June 25, 2002, 09:42:33 am
:eek: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :eek:

HOLY ****!  Must...have...game...
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Post by: Unknown Target on June 25, 2002, 10:51:48 am
And here's another couple screenies, this time from IL-2 Sturmovik:

(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/ss/backstabb.jpg)

(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/ss/gaspozt.jpg)
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Post by: Styxx on June 25, 2002, 11:11:54 am
[neo] Whoa. [/neo]
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Post by: Darkage on June 25, 2002, 01:06:31 pm
Looks damn sweet !
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Post by: Zeronet on June 25, 2002, 02:34:47 pm
Doesnt play as good as it looks.
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Post by: Unknown Target on June 25, 2002, 02:59:34 pm
Zeronet, when was the last time you took your pills?:D IL-2 was GREAT! Seriously, simply bailing out was fun! you got to se this little guy run across a field, then duck for cover as his plane blows up behind him. It's a gritty, extremely realistic, and, amazingly, has an original setting (The Great Patriotic War, 1941-1945).
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Post by: Nico on June 25, 2002, 04:02:49 pm
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Doesnt play as good as it looks.


well, if you're expecting FS2 like gameplay, that's for sure :p