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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jr2 on December 13, 2012, 03:37:43 pm
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www.theblaze.com/stories/claim-secret-camo-can-make-american-solders-truly-invisible-the-photos-will-blow-your-mind/
CNN did a piece on this (link inside)...
Thoughts? It appears to be fully functional cloaking for visible / infrared light.
The Pentagon is betting big on a real life invisibility cloak for American soldiers, according to recent reports.
Hyperstealth Biotechnology Corp, a Canadian company known for its innovative camo technology, is attempting to revolutionize the battlefield by providing true invisibility for soldiers. The special material being used is know as Quantum Stealth. The pictures posted on the company’s website of the fabric, which apparently bends light to create the effect, look as though they are straight out of a Harry Potter movie:
http://www.hyperstealth.com
http://www.hyperstealth.com
http://www.hyperstealth.com
There is no video yet of the technology in action since its development is considered highly secretive. However, Guy Cramer, CEO of Hyperstealth Biotechnology Corp, told the Daily Mail that top military brass in the U.S. and Canada have seen it in action, and were amazed:
“These groups now know that it works and does so without cameras, batteries, lights or mirrors…It is lightweight and quite inexpensive. Both the U.S. and Canadian military have confirmed that it also works against military IR scopes and Thermal Optics.”
In the same interview, Cramer imagines a group of battle tanks decked out with Quantum Stealth camouflage that could engage an enemy unit with no signs of their location except the sound of their engines and guns.
“As news spreads of an invisible Canadian army which can move without detection, the psychological effect on the enemy is devastating, they never know when or even if this invisible army has them targeted or surrounded. How can you hit a target you cannot see, how do you defend from the invisible?”
In a recent CNN interview, Cramer said you would literally have to “walk right into” a solder wearing the cloak in the same room as you to know he was there. ”You wouldn’t see him at all” Cramer claims.
The army spent $5 billion in an underwhelming and under-performing camouflage pattern eight years ago and is now shopping for new contracts.
Watch the CNN Report below:
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STEALTH CAMOUFLAGE?!
Otacon, what the hell is going on here?
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Metamaterials stealth has been in the cards for so long I'd call it practically inevitable. This is just the next logical step in the last 5/10 years of headlines on the topic.
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As news spreads of an invisible Canadian army which can move without detection
As far as I can tell Canada already has this capability
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God, I hope we don't get a news article in the next few months about working nanomachines or better-than-human cybernetic augmentations. Between this and that Japanese metal gear prototype the future is looking grim.
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Grim? I think you mean awesome. I want me some Ghost in the Shell.
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Such blatant violations of the treaty of Algeron...
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Grim? I think you mean awesome. I want me some Ghost in the Shell.
It is awesome, aside from the stuff that isn't awesome like brain hacking, an American Empire, and the usual slew of cyberpunk plots and conspiracies. I don't want my memories replaced or altered or my body used as a puppet sock by a rogue hacker.
Of course, if our only options are a crapsack world with cybernetics or a crapsack world without cybernetics, I'm taking the cybernetics. I'd really like to replace my crappy nearsighted goo-filled orbs that use a tiny portion of the color spectrum with fancy multi-spectral cybernetics that have 20/15 vision.
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As news spreads of an invisible Canadian army which can move without detection
As far as I can tell Canada already has this capability
:lol:
Although this reminds me of Ghost Recon Future Soldier with their armour
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Looks fake.
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(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2424.png)
Looks shopped. I can tell from seein somm of da pixals and seein quite da few shops in my time.
(Seriously, bending light doesn't work that well as far as I am aware of all the metamaterial research I've been seing for the past 5 years)
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/3434.png)
These are clearly concept pics, not actual devices working. Where are the photons that are shown in the "cape" coming from? Not beneath / behind it, that's for sure.
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Yeah all the metamaterials stuff I've followed is currently limited to really tiny things.
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<assuming tge story is a fake and not just a victim of sensitive photos being replaced with 'shopped ones>
Quick, someone tell CNN before they cover this hoax as an actual story!... Oh, snap, wait a second... :lol:
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after reading this/looking at the pics i wondered if the blaze was like the same thing as the onion.
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...The pictures posted on the company’s website of the fabric, which apparently bends light to create the effect, look as though they are straight out of a Harry Potter movie...
Wouldn't a Lord of the Rings reference be more fitting, since Frodo actually had a cloak of invisibility?
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Harry Potter also had a cloak of invisibility...
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...The pictures posted on the company’s website of the fabric, which apparently bends light to create the effect, look as though they are straight out of a Harry Potter movie...
Wouldn't a Lord of the Rings reference be more fitting, since Frodo actually had a cloak of invisibility?
None of them had invisibility cloaks. The elven cloaks were just very, very effective at concealing their users. Derailment aside, carry on...
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Psst... you didnt know? The Elves invented digital camouflage.
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after reading this/looking at the pics i wondered if the blaze was like the same thing as the onion.
The Blaze is Glenn Beck's media company and the name of the company's flagship website. I trust your ability to determine where the similarities and differences between The Blaze and The Onion lie.
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sorry, but i don't ride the 'bash fox news' bandwagon.
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Sounds weird, but it looks too good, looking at the photos from the CNN reports, it looks like the stills have been doctored to make the camouflage seem more effective than it currently is.
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Those pictures...
So they couldn't project the light that goes on a perpendicular pattern against a surface, and then suddenly they have a "cloak" that does just that and at the same time it also works on different angles of perspective?
I expect the real cloak to be something like the lcd displays, get yourself on a 30° angle or so and watch the hole world bend.
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Come on guys. The pics show a "material" that depicts what would be behind it, except for the human being. But if you look carefully and ask "okay, where are those particular photons coming from?" you realise that they are either coming from where a person should be, or they are coming from a place that should be shadowed (and thus a lot darker).
The Onion indeed.
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I'll believe this when I see it, and that has to be a video or real life. I do tend to have a hunch feeling that this violates conservation laws regarding photons, but I'm too tired to think it through yet.
And what it comes to some claims made in the video, even I have walked 10 feet away from a soldier and never noticed until he rose up. And that's with a standard uniform.
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Modern camo is effective like that, especially dedicated like MARPAT ("universal" camos fare worse in that regard, though Multicam is still good). Ghillies take it up to 11. My friend once nearly sat on a sniper (who was wearing a ghillie suit) before an ASG match. In right environment, if you're not specifically looking for someone dressed in a modern patter, you're not gonna notice him/her.
As for the photos, they looks photoshopped. Most notably, shadows are missing, and I don't think it's metamaterial-based cloaking which would reduce them to a minimum.
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Come on guys. The pics show a "material" that depicts what would be behind it, except for the human being. But if you look carefully and ask "okay, where are those particular photons coming from?" you realise that they are either coming from where a person should be, or they are coming from a place that should be shadowed (and thus a lot darker).
The Onion indeed.
You're assuming the photons only pass through one way.
You'd need a "wrap around" effect that allowed photons to enter the material, wrap around it, strike the area on the opposite end (where the photons would have ended jp of nothing was there) and be reflected back without distortion...
Which is still hard to believe.
EDIT: ofc you would need to have the cloak wrapped around you, not just in front or on top, for that to work. Can't imagine no distortion happening, though
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Yes, such a cloaking device would cause blatantly obvious distortions, the extent of which is not seen in those photos. To avoid that the photons would not only need to 'know' exactly how far to travel through the material before exiting again (difficult to believe for person-sized things such as this) but also exactly what angle to exit on, unless the cloak is perfectly symmetric (a sphere).
I'm with Luis and Battuta on this. Actually, I'm not convinced that the story isn't either bull**** or at least horribly exaggerated. Show me better evidence. Yes, I know we have light-bending materials that can act as cloaking devices, but not on such macroscopic scales and variable conditions. Last time I checked we weren't even able to uniformly bend light of different wavelengths, but maybe I haven't been keeping up well enough.
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http://www.mapleridgenews.com/news/183440961.html
He doesn't want to jeopardize giving away the secret by allowing actual photos, which could be analyzed. So he's created photo mockups that depict how Quantum Stealth works.
"The real technology functions very similar to what you're looking at in the photos, if not better than what you're looking at in the photos."
So, there's this bridge you may be interested in buying...
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Well, anybody with a photoshop could say that, but on the other hand, it's a valid reasoning. I'm still skeptical, and more info is needed for any serious discussion.
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When I read about it on ars or slashdot with some specs and demo shots I'll believe it. Until then, nah.