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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stealth on June 21, 2002, 11:53:37 pm
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Has anyone seen that movie yet?
It came out in the USA on Friday, did anyone see it?
Was the not one of the coolest movies? the effects and storyline were awesome!!!!
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Nope, it's not out here yet, what's it about? Any link?
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its about a future society that can predict crimes before they happen and the person who perfected this system (Tom Cruise) is arrested for murder 36 hours before it occurs
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Originally posted by PhReAk
its about a future society that can predict crimes before they happen and the person who perfected this system (Tom Cruise) is arrested for murder 36 hours before it occurs
Eh, weird.
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Time Travel, they go back in time to prevent murders, by smashing the glass and invading in large numbers to stop it happening, must mess the timeline up a lot.
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Poor tabloids. They'd have nothing decent to write about.
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That makes no sense whatsoever....
if you arrest someone for a murder they will commit in the future, they cannot commit that murder. Thus, they cannot be guilty of murder, and should not have been arrested in the first place as that murder never happened. but if they are not arrested, then the murder occurs. But the murder can only occur if they are not arrested, which is impossible if they can predict and prevent the murder................
Ugh. See - daft premise.
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by arresting the ppl they stop the murder, end of story.
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if you arrest someone for a murder they will commit in the future, they cannot commit that murder. Thus, they cannot be guilty of murder, and should not have been arrested in the first place as that murder never happened. but if they are not arrested, then the murder occurs. But the murder can only occur if they are not arrested, which is impossible if they can predict and prevent the murder................
The good old causal paradox... :D
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I always believed if you travelled back in time, you created a parrellel universe, thus if you changed anything it wouldnt affect you.
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You don't travel back in time in the movie.
Oh, and - I just saw it. Kick. ASS.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
by arresting the ppl they stop the murder, end of story.
That's their attitude in the movie, and why they allow it to continue. From what I've seen in the trailers, at least. :D
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My point is, you can't be arrested of a crime if it never happens.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
That makes no sense whatsoever....
if you arrest someone for a murder they will commit in the future, they cannot commit that murder. Thus, they cannot be guilty of murder, and should not have been arrested in the first place as that murder never happened. but if they are not arrested, then the murder occurs. But the murder can only occur if they are not arrested, which is impossible if they can predict and prevent the murder................
Ugh. See - daft premise.
But that's the whole point of the movie, the government is going to shut the society down, and Tom Cruise believes it's wrong, because all the people they arrest are innocent, they haven't done anything yet!
However, when the system says that he's committed a murder, he knows it's not wrong, cause in 36 hours ehe's supposed to kill a man he's never met
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Time Travel, they go back in time to prevent murders, by smashing the glass and invading in large numbers to stop it happening, must mess the timeline up a lot.
They don't travel in time... they simply travel to where a murder's going to take place, and stop it!
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If any of you can't wait, here's a spoiler (highlight):
SPOILER AHEAD:
It's 2058 (i think) and there's a society called 'Precrime'... they have these three people, that they keep asleep, but not too asleep (so they don't dream) in this special room called the 'Temple'... these people are special, because they can see the future. They're kept alive and they're in water with all this stuff on their head and all to the society can see what they see.
The images they produce is fed through the computer, and in turn the computer predicts the Victim and Murderer (which are printed on red balls) Then Tom Cruise goes to work trying to find out the location of the murder from what he sees in the pictures, or from what the PRECOGs (the three people in the water) see.
When he finds the murder, they fly out to the scene of the murder, and a few seconds before the murder takes place, they arrest the person for the 'future murder' of whoever...
The system works well, until one agent sent by the government comes to look for flaws... he believes it's not right to arrest someone if they haven't physically committed any murder yet! then a few days later a new murder comes in from the precogs that have predicted it... Tom Cruise can't believe it, because in the pictures, it's him shooting someone!!! Then the system turns on him, and he runs away (a couple of good fight/run scenes follow :D lol)
He finds the creator of the system, an old (and very weird woman) who says that she used to work in a clinic that took care of children of drug-addicts. She said that some of them, the very special ones, would dream only of murders, and so therefore would always wake up at night screaming! She said she found out that those few that survived only saw future murders. She found a way to get the images from their brain, and then started the precrime society, in which three Precogs (one female, two male) are in a tank of water, all monitored and stuff, and fed and looked after, but they're always drugged and kept asleep.
She said that occasionally, one in a million times, the precogs will see something, but one of them won't. In this case, when all three don't predict the same thing, it's called a 'minority report' and it's immediately dismissed. Tom Cruise believes this is a minority report, because the two male precogs can't see the future without the female precog, Agatha... so he goes to kidnap Agatha, (which he does, after getting an eye transplant so his retina scans will identify him as someone else) and he kidnaps Agatha, who can't really tell him anything. In the end he finds the man he's supposed to kill, who happens to be the man who killed his son when he was 7 (i think)... Tom Cruise tries not to kill the man, but in the end the man trips or something, and the gun just goes off.
Then he runs again
Then he figures everything out, and ... oh... the end i really didn't understand that much :) lol
lol
just thought someone might not want to see the movie, might want to read a spoiler instead
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aint come out in aus yet, but it looks really really cool... tom cruise is cool... :D
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ah, girls, girls...
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I don't suppose this movie has much talking about how this "crime prediction" works? Yawn... and anyway, if someone perfected predicting crime, what else would they be able to do rather than crime prediction?
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Factoid: the story is loosely based on Philip K. Dick's novel A Scanner Darkly, in which an undercover drugs agent is asked to arrest himself for drug dealing. It's complicated... :)
Still, it's not as good as his other works. Yes, I guess I am a DickHead... :D
EDIT: Oh, and only specialised people can predict crime. They're like seers or something - genetic mutuation of some sort, I'd imagine. But the moview isn't out until July 4th here, when I am away over there, in America.
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After reading Stealth spoiler:
Ah, so it's a predestination paradox without any actual time traveling. Thought that might be the case.
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Originally posted by an0n
After reading Stealth spoiler:
Ah, so it's a predestination paradox without any actual time traveling. Thought that might be the case.
yeah :)
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Originally posted by Blitz_Lightning
I don't suppose this movie has much talking about how this "crime prediction" works? Yawn... and anyway, if someone perfected predicting crime, what else would they be able to do rather than crime prediction?
they didn't perfect predicting crime, it's just that these 'poor children' that dream of murders that come true can be linked to computers, and... well... see my previous post ;) i guess in a way they DID perfect predicting crime, but occasionally they make mistakes, called "Minority Reports" :)
later
~Stealth~
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Hm, looks like the Punisher 2099 "criminal intent scanner". Damn, was that thing funny. :D
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I want that Lexus. :(
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i'll tell you what i want...:
SPOILER (HIGHLIGHT) :
when Tom Cruise is running away from the 'agency' in that car-manufacturing warehouse, and he steals that gun from one guy... the one that you fire like this shockwave thing, and then you twist it around and fire again... remember that?
THAT's what i want :) :D
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Originally posted by aldo_14
My point is, you can't be arrested of a crime if it never happens.
You have been charged with a precrime. Please stay calm, do not run.
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My point is, you can't be arrested of a crime if it never happens.
That depends on whether or not reality is deterministic. ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
That depends on whether or not reality is deterministic. ;)
Erm, sorray, but it's, well, not. :D
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It's funny, becuase everything that everyone is saying is talked about in the movie.
As someone said they do no time travel and yes they do talk heavily about how the crimes are seen. The paradox that some of you are getting oh so worked up after is actually a scene in the movie and as such you simply must see it. It won't all make sense even then but you'll have a good idea anyway and believe me it's worth it. Now I just have to wait for it to come out on DVD.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
My point is, you can't be arrested of a crime if it never happens.
There is a scene in the beginning in which the Justice Department agent is talking to Anderton (cruise) and states, basically, the same thing.
Anderton rolls a ball across a ledge toward the agent. It rolls off but the agent catches it.
"Why did you catch that?" asks Anderton.
"It was going to fall," says the agent.
"How do you know? It might not have, but you knew it would. Just because you stopped it from falling doesn't mean it wasn't going to happen," Anderton concludes.
Excellent flick. About 30min too long. The chase sequences needed to be cut a little, the green house scene needed to be reshot without the wasting so much time at the green house, the jetpack scene could have done with some cutting, but other than that, it was incredible.
And if anyone has questions about the end, if you catch me on ICQ in the next few minutes, I can explain it all. :D