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I want to know what the Blue Planet team, or the community, think which use made campaigns fit in with Blue Planet canon?
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Vassago's Dirge is pretty much BP canon. You can forget Derelict: even though there's the odd reference here and there there clearly hasn't been a third Shivan incursion. Homesick, Transcend, etc. are very self-contained, so they could probably fit (although [CENSORED PENDING FREDAYEEN INVESTIGATION]). Procyon Insurgency's probably a no-go; someone would have mentioned massive insurrections and superdestroyers.
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Vassago's Dirge is pretty much BP canon.
Citation needed
Especially since Vassago's Dirge predates the release of War in Heaven by only a couple weeks, and it came well after Age of Aquarius.
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You haven't looked at Universal Truth closely, I take it.
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According to the Debriefing if you fail after running away from the Vishnans (staying inside the Nebula until times up), there's also Transcend and Sync.
But where was Vassago's Dirge mentioned?
You haven't looked at Universal Truth closely, I take it.
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IDK, I just looked through the text block in the mission file because I'm too much of a coward to actually play that damn mission.
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You haven't looked at Universal Truth closely, I take it.
You'll have to be slightly more specific than that, you know. Where in that mission is Vassago's Dirge canonized? I'm honestly curious, seeing as how Vassago's Dirge came out over two years later. Hell, it came out six months after the Director's Cut, even.
Please, show me how Vassago's Dirge is BP canon. It may not disagree with BP canon, but that doesn't really mean anything.
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You haven't looked at Universal Truth closely, I take it.
You'll have to be slightly more specific than that, you know. Where in that mission is Vassago's Dirge canonized? I'm honestly curious, seeing as how Vassago's Dirge came out over two years later. Hell, it came out six months after the Director's Cut, even.
Please, show me how Vassago's Dirge is BP canon. It may not disagree with BP canon, but that doesn't really mean anything.
I believe they were going by the similarities to one of the endings of Vassago's Dirge and the scenario put forward in the beginning of Act 3's Universal Truth.
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Is there another mission named Universal Truth, then? That'd be rather unlike the BP team, especially since the Universal Truth in AoA is a.... well, fairly significant is understating it a bit.
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Yes, the last mission in act 3 (that isn't a cutscene) is called Universal Truth too. Because it makes sense.
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IDK, I just looked through the text block in the mission file because I'm too much of a coward to actually play that damn mission.
Have you tried pressing escape and saying "Guys" a lot?
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Yes, the last mission in act 3 (that isn't a cutscene) is called Universal Truth too. Because it makes sense.
Huh. In that case, I guess I'll have to concede the possibility that there's something in there until I can play it myself.
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IDK, I just looked through the text block in the mission file because I'm too much of a coward to actually play that damn mission.
Just looked in the mission file myself about Vassago's Dirge:
A Vassago Incident is mentioned in the stage with the 14th Battleground when you are inside the Toqueville-Node and connect to the subspace-whirl. The other nodes also contain interesting bits of information. Easy to miss, though.
So now we have:
Vassago's Dirge
Transcend
Sync
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Well turns out Transcend is totally BP canon, ALL FURTHER DETAILS ARE IRRELEVANT CHECK YOUR ARMS AND LEGS
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Scotty:
From Universal Truth WiH Act3. Serious spoilers.
How could we accept a leadership, no matter how benevolent, controlled by an alien power? With the information gathered from the Vassago incident...we had to strike. Morpheus was the only option.
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Mine does - er... will, eventually... sort of...
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I don't get how Transcend really fits with all it's own weirdness involved, like the guy bending and warping reality causing Terran and Vasudan ships to disappear or duke it out. Would be funny to see the GTVA explain why most of the crews involved are missing. :lol:
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One of the failure briefings implies it happened as the result of GTVI experimentation into the Sync drive which made the universe split in two and the Transcendant ultimately destroy one of them.
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One of the failure briefings implies it happened as the result of GTVI experimentation into the Sync drive which made the universe split in two and the Transcendant ultimately destroy one of them.
Oh, I guess I have to play Sync again after I finish Act 3. I think the campaigns that fall within Silent Threat: Reborn continuity can also be counted.
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Aken Bosch is also Silent Threat's Alpha 1.
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when you think about it he's the real protagonist of the series
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And don't forget the Silver Scythes!
(There's also a hint to the events from Vassago in the Cretheus' tech description.)
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I think the campaigns that fall within Silent Threat: Reborn continuity can also be counted.
This one is a little tricky. The events from ST:R take place in the BP continuity, but the events from BP do not take place in the ST:R continuity. So you can't assume BP details about the universe, the Shivans, and such when talking about ST:R.
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I think the campaigns that fall within Silent Threat: Reborn continuity can also be counted.
This one is a little tricky. The events from ST:R take place in the BP continuity, but the events from BP do not take place in the ST:R continuity. So you can't assume BP details about the universe, the Shivans, and such when talking about ST:R.
This is true of every campaign BP references though.
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Could ASW fit in?
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Well not really, since Vishnan ships are not actually retextured Ancient ships in the BP continuity...
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And don't forget the Silver Scythes!
That's a reference, but Derelict didn't happen in BP continuity.
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Jad 2.2.......
Deaus Ex Machina.
Jad.
:yes:
Second great war part two.
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Could ASW fit in?
There's nothing explicitly preventing them from fitting together, but a member of the team has said that if BP ever does do the Ancients they'll be a lot weirder than in ASW.
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They'll use other ships, that's for sure.
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Hm... dont get me wrong but i dont have a 3rd shivan incursion in my memory regarding derelict.
I would say the Nyarlathotep (did i spell that damn name right? Srsly, before the voice acting i had no clue how to pronounce that, and no, i never did read Lovecraft) was an incident, not a full invasion. As far as i remember the Nya's fleet didnt attack any planets or outpost apart form that shipyard besides the one jump node. For me it always seemed that this fleet just wanted to get home and not eliminate the GTVA.
So, i dont see that much of discrepancy between BP and Derelict.
Ok, i have to say i am a hopeless Derelict fanyboy :p , simply because i love this campaign and for me it always seemed that it catched the Freespace 2 feeling best.
Why i like BP and can not wait to see how the story ends, i still dont know what to think about some of the tricks you guys pulled. I am here to fly a space shooter and some of the stuff Act 3 does dont fall into that very well. So i have a bit of mixed feelings about it. And tbh.: giving a fighter pilot stratigic (or tactical) command simply sounds like a bad idea to me. I kinda miss my RTS interface in the cockpit tbh.
Btw.: If u want to turn FS2 into an RTS, i am all for it. Never found a good (and finished) FS2 Mod (i know of 2 based on HW2, the last one was Darius' work afair (hope u keep going, looked very nice).
While it is brilliant work, it is not quiet what i was expecting (or looking for tbh.). After all, i still want to play Freespace.
Also, i recognize a lot of stuff here from some of the books i did read. Seems u guys did read Alaistair Raynolds and Andreas Brandhorst as well (and if u didnt, go do it ;) )
BTW: My experience of BP might be hampered by the fact that i am no native english speaker. So sometimes for me it is pretty damn hard to understand what is going on. Not to mention that i have no hopes of reading that stuff fast enough on missions. I often have to pause to read whats going on, and that is definatly not helpfull sometimes. And the moment it gets cryptic i often enough got a feeling of frustration and desperation. You guys dont plan a german translation btw?^^
I just hope voice acting will be done anytime soon. It helps a lot with those problems.
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If the events of Derelict had happened they'd definitely be central to the TEI; yet there is absolutely no mention of them. I think it'd take a massive amount of mental acrobatics to justify that.
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Don't ASW ancients and the Vishnans use the same ship models? This would probably rule out ASW
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That's what I said !
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Sorry about that :( wall of text syndrome
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What use could the Ancients have in BP? Neither the Shivans nor the Vishnans particularly cared for them.
Also, wasn't a fanmade Tev campaign in progress?
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Yeah, though I think it's stalled out.
The Ancients in BP were significantly weirder and more hard-SF gnarly than the Ancients in ASW. We're talking radically different biology and consciousness.
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It's stalled out at the moment. Snail is God knows where, Dilmah is mostly done with FSO, and I'm leaving for basic Tuesday.
Hopefully be able to make some progress when I get back, but being honest it's not terribly likely.
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Vassago's Dirge reference are everywhere. Notice the GTA Argus and GTC Ascendant.