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Title: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: headdie on January 29, 2013, 06:28:27 am
Quote from: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/billion-euro-supercomputer-to--simulate-entire-human-brain---120811728.html
A ten-year project in Europe will use supercomputers to simulate the workings of an entire human brain for the first time.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Kobrar44 on January 29, 2013, 06:31:31 am
It will take some time before they beat CASSANDRA.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: The E on January 29, 2013, 06:41:49 am
10 year project? A billion euros?

I didn't know people were capable of that much optimism.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: headdie on January 29, 2013, 06:48:19 am
which is why it will probably overrun on time and budget, still the idea is interesting
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Crybertrance on January 29, 2013, 06:52:10 am
:wtf:
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 29, 2013, 07:12:32 am
Cue Euro-skynet.
Cue Terminators with French moustaches and berets......
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Luis Dias on January 29, 2013, 07:17:25 am
It all depends on the management. Lets hope they don't fk up.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Crybertrance on January 29, 2013, 07:45:49 am
Cue Euro-skynet.
Cue Terminators with French moustaches and berets......

:wakka:
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Ghostavo on January 29, 2013, 08:30:59 am
Cue Euro-skynet.
Cue Terminators with French moustaches and berets......

"Au revoir, baby!"
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Klaustrophobia on January 29, 2013, 02:46:10 pm
not to worry.  the french terminators will surrender.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: An4ximandros on January 29, 2013, 03:14:31 pm
 Actually, they's just use all the money on the county to fund the nuclear hand grenade project and blow the **** out of us by hiding them inside baguettes and cheese wheels. It's brilliant I tell you.

 Hopefully someone will have been working on a JC Denton for us to merge with it once it becomes aware of new possibilities and futures for the human race.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Nuke on January 29, 2013, 04:01:36 pm
not to worry.  the french terminators will surrender.

:lol:
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: BlueFlames on January 29, 2013, 11:56:47 pm
Yes, please.  **** cybernetics; just program my thoughts and memories into a proper robot, so that I can get rid of all of these inferior, squishy bits.

[/transhumanist dork]
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: SpardaSon21 on January 30, 2013, 12:04:02 am
Robot shells are boring since all your parts are mechanical.  What good is immortality if you're not enjoying yourself?  I intend to enjoy mankind's transhuman future with as many biological bodies and forms as I can. :drevil:
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Klaustrophobia on January 30, 2013, 01:21:16 am
seems to me you're suggesting multi-species orgy.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: General Battuta on January 30, 2013, 01:35:08 am
It's me. I'm the thread title
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 30, 2013, 02:16:15 am
Can i pair my bluetooth headset with you?

I want a cortana style buddy i can speak to on the bus.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: bd77 on January 30, 2013, 09:49:25 am
Cue Euro-skynet.
Cue Terminators with French moustaches and berets......

"Au revoir, baby!"

^ that made me paused and laughed while I was munching on small piece of French bread with water.  :lol:
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Phantom Hoover on January 30, 2013, 04:15:16 pm
btw guys europe consists of more than france
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: An4ximandros on January 30, 2013, 05:29:35 pm
Battu's right, we need to get them to send that thing over to Alpha Centauri.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: headdie on January 30, 2013, 05:30:18 pm
btw guys europe consists of more than france
Yer but France is where a lot of the big European projects end up or at least with France taking a major role, Britain, Germany and Italy often get involved but France is usually the common denominator.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Phantom Hoover on January 30, 2013, 06:37:18 pm
there are so many stereotypes though, why constrain yourself to only one!
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: SpardaSon21 on January 30, 2013, 08:40:35 pm
seems to me you're suggesting multi-species orgy.
Well, yes, but I was mainly suggesting the fact that I intend to be of many species and genders over my very long (possibly infinite) lifetime while BlueFlames is busy enjoying being a piece of machinery.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Mikes on January 31, 2013, 12:44:14 pm
seems to me you're suggesting multi-species orgy.
Well, yes, but I was mainly suggesting the fact that I intend to be of many species and genders over my very long (possibly infinite) lifetime while BlueFlames is busy enjoying being a piece of machinery.

Genderbenders vs. Mindrobots ? :)
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: headdie on January 31, 2013, 01:10:47 pm
seems to me you're suggesting multi-species orgy.
Well, yes, but I was mainly suggesting the fact that I intend to be of many species and genders over my very long (possibly infinite) lifetime while BlueFlames is busy enjoying being a piece of machinery.

Genderbenders vs. Mindrobots ? :)

transspecies genderbenders vs mind robot orgy  ;7
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: SpardaSon21 on January 31, 2013, 01:15:03 pm
seems to me you're suggesting multi-species orgy.
Well, yes, but I was mainly suggesting the fact that I intend to be of many species and genders over my very long (possibly infinite) lifetime while BlueFlames is busy enjoying being a piece of machinery.

Genderbenders vs. Mindrobots ? :)
You must mean Arm vs. Core. :P
I'm not looking forwards to dying an uncountable number of deaths just so I can keep the right to inhabit a biological body. :(
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: FlamingCobra on February 01, 2013, 01:53:04 am
pffft. IBM has been working on stuff like this for years.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2011/08/26/how-ibms-cognitive-computer-works/

It's a computer chip based on neurons.

EDIT: Except this is the exact opposite.
Europe is doing: Build X number of supercomputers and attempt to emulate the human brain.
IBM: Get a bunch of computer engineers and neuroscientists and build a computer chip with 256 artificial neurons and teach it to play Pong. Then scale it up to 2^20 neurons. Then scale it up to 2^33 neurons (137,438,953,472) close to 100 billion, the number of neurons in the human brain.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Grizzly on February 01, 2013, 09:18:59 am
there are so many stereotypes though, why constrain yourself to only one!
Yeah. I mean, we have germany. The first terminator will probably be some blue eyed heavy german guy who speaks with a thi...

wait.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: General Battuta on February 01, 2013, 09:20:35 am
there are so many stereotypes though, why constrain yourself to only one!
Yeah. I mean, we have germany. The first terminator will probably be some blue eyed heavy german guy who speaks with a thi...

wait.

Arnold wasn't German :shhh:
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Nuke on February 01, 2013, 12:43:58 pm
hes austrian, and what is the official language of austria: german.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: butter_pat_head on February 01, 2013, 02:12:52 pm
So lets say the scientists build their electronic human brain.  They switch it on and it works, everybody celebrates.  What would be the moral implications in turning it off?
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Suongadon on February 01, 2013, 02:19:43 pm
Uh. nothing? This is just a fancy computer that works like a brain, not a super-sexy, prospectively genocidal AI, right?
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Nuke on February 01, 2013, 02:47:37 pm
you are better off turning it off before it tries to kill us. from a moral standpoint it would be bad to turn it off, but from a survivalist standpoint: KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Klaustrophobia on February 01, 2013, 03:23:44 pm
i've always wondered, can't we avoid the AI apocalypse just by not programming self-preservation into them?
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on February 01, 2013, 03:38:35 pm
hes austrian, and what is the official language of austria: german.
You're Alaskan, and what's the official language of the US: English :P

i've always wondered, can't we avoid the AI apocalypse just by not programming self-preservation into them?
I, robot had an AI apocalypse without self-preservation... In fact, without even violating the Three Laws. Once the system becomes capable of autonomous thought, I'd say there is always a chance of AI apocalypse no matter how elaborate the safety buffers we build in.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Legate Damar on February 01, 2013, 04:08:10 pm
seems to me you're suggesting multi-species orgy.
Well, yes, but I was mainly suggesting the fact that I intend to be of many species and genders over my very long (possibly infinite) lifetime while BlueFlames is busy enjoying being a piece of machinery.

Genderbenders vs. Mindrobots ? :)

transspecies genderbenders vs mind robot orgy  ;7

This sounds like a title from the random video game name generator.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Nuke on February 01, 2013, 05:14:24 pm
hes austrian, and what is the official language of austria: german.
You're Alaskan, and what's the official language of the US: English :P

i dont speak english, i speak redneck, its a completely different language.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Killer Whale on February 02, 2013, 07:12:14 am
I'd imagine there's a fair difference between building a computer capable of simulating a human brain, and constructing an autonomous AI (and giving it control of all your nukes).
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: SpardaSon21 on February 02, 2013, 12:08:58 pm
Yes, but an electronic brain is the first step towards Skynet.  I for one do not welcome our new robot overlords. :(
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Nuke on February 02, 2013, 01:08:51 pm
yea, with a flame thrower!
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: butter_pat_head on February 02, 2013, 01:16:47 pm
Uh. nothing? This is just a fancy computer that works like a brain, not a super-sexy, prospectively genocidal AI, right?

No, but think of it this way.  Assume they make the brain.  They switch it on and through the act of feeding it stimulus it begins to behave like a real human brain would so naturally one would conclude that if enough stimulus (of the correct type) is given for a long enough time that the brain becomes aware of itself like any growing human would and possibly even developing consciousness.  At what point does 'turning off a computer' become 'ending a existence'?

Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Bobboau on February 02, 2013, 01:25:11 pm
when it's state is not preserved between sessions.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: IronBeer on February 02, 2013, 01:25:51 pm
At what point does 'turning off a computer' become 'ending a existence'?
Depends on whether or not said computer can store its cognitive state when shut down. If it can do so, it would likely be much akin to biological sleep or unconsciousness. (damnit, ninja'd be Bobboau)

I'd rather we just get on with all the potential AI shenanigans anyways. We won't know the outcome until we try, and attempts at AI development / brain emulation are inevitable at this point. "Come whatever may", saith I.
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: bigchunk1 on February 02, 2013, 02:33:47 pm
Just because something behaves like a living creature does not mean it is a living creature.

Things would REALLY start to get interesting if they just started growing brain matter in hopes of manufacturing the world's most inteligent creature. Is that alive?
Title: Re: Europe to build electronic brain
Post by: Suongadon on February 02, 2013, 03:03:55 pm
Uh. nothing? This is just a fancy computer that works like a brain, not a super-sexy, prospectively genocidal AI, right?

No, but think of it this way.  Assume they make the brain.  They switch it on and through the act of feeding it stimulus it begins to behave like a real human brain would so naturally one would conclude that if enough stimulus (of the correct type) is given for a long enough time that the brain becomes aware of itself like any growing human would and possibly even developing consciousness.  At what point does 'turning off a computer' become 'ending a existence'?

IF it somehow turns into some sort of AI, then I say we patent the **** out of it, make hundreds of thousands more and strap them into some *****in' humanoid war machines and sell them to every metanation country in the world to use as cannon fodder in their perpetual war economy. There. Morality question dodged. :p

serious, non-I-think-an-AI-apocalypse-would-be--kinda-cool answer is uh, what they said :p. It doesn't really count as a ninja when you leave the window open for ~1.5hours without hitting post, does it?