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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: est1895 on April 08, 2013, 02:34:44 pm

Title: Tech Questions
Post by: est1895 on April 08, 2013, 02:34:44 pm
I have two questions please:

1) Will a Samsung 840 SSD Pro series (128gb & 256gb) work with my motherboard (ASUS P5N-D)  SATA I compatiable.

2)  I need to find the most secure wireless gaming router that I can also connect my printer into.

Any questions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Ghostavo on April 08, 2013, 02:52:36 pm
1. SATA is backwards compatible.
2. Any decent router will do.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 08, 2013, 02:56:59 pm
what? they have gaming routers now?

i can pewn in some games dispite being about a fifth of a second behind everyone else.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Polpolion on April 08, 2013, 03:25:51 pm
Any questions would be greatly appreciated.

What is your favorite color?
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: BloodEagle on April 08, 2013, 04:43:44 pm
what? they have gaming routers now?

i can pewn in some games dispite being about a fifth of a second behind everyone else.

They have network cards with dedicated processors on them, now.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Klaustrophobia on April 08, 2013, 05:02:25 pm
"gaming" routers/NICs are pretty much snake oil.

by connect your printer to, do you mean by USB?  if your printer is "network ready," you can already connect it to any router via ethernet cable or wirelessly if supported.  if not, you can make it so by using a network print server.  i don't know how it is these days, but the last time i looked at one a few years ago, these were sometimes more expensive than just buying a new network ready printer.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: est1895 on April 08, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
Well I do plan on getting this one  http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?categoryid=2477&model=TL-WDR4900
Do you know of a better one?

I do have the option of either using the USB port or there is a network card in the Epson Workforce WP-3540.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 08, 2013, 06:18:46 pm
what? they have gaming routers now?

i can pewn in some games dispite being about a fifth of a second behind everyone else.

They have network cards with dedicated processors on them, now.

most addon cards have "processors" on them, if you are not too specific about what a "processor" is.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on April 08, 2013, 06:38:39 pm
1. SATA is backwards compatible.

This isn't entirely true.  Some of the older stuff is not compatible.  For example the SATA HD in my P4 3.06ghz system will not work on any SATA2 or 3 controllers that I have tried.  Now granted that is a first gen SATA HD that even has both the SATA and standard power connectors and is 10+ years old. 
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: est1895 on April 08, 2013, 07:11:53 pm
1. SATA is backwards compatible.

This isn't entirely true.  Some of the older stuff is not compatible.  For example the SATA HD in my P4 3.06ghz system will not work on any SATA2 or 3 controllers that I have tried.  Now granted that is a first gen SATA HD that even has both the SATA and standard power connectors and is 10+ years old. 

OMG!! I'm about to buy these drives soon and it will cost me like $300!!!

So my next question is how do you know if it will work?
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Klaustrophobia on April 08, 2013, 08:18:41 pm
look for compatibility list on manufacturer's website.  or email tech support.

something else to think about though, you're going to be limited to a maximum of 150 MB/s read/write speeds using SATA I.  are you sure you want to dish out the money and not get the full speed out of it?  hell, some mechanical hard drives are faster than that.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: est1895 on April 08, 2013, 08:34:37 pm
look for compatibility list on manufacturer's website.  or email tech support.

something else to think about though, you're going to be limited to a maximum of 150 MB/s read/write speeds using SATA I.  are you sure you want to dish out the money and not get the full speed out of it?  hell, some mechanical hard drives are faster than that.

My current motherboard is SATA I, but when it does go, all the new ones will have SATA III connectors.  Then I will get the full use out of them and after all they do have a 5 year warranty on them.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: BloodEagle on April 08, 2013, 09:38:40 pm
what? they have gaming routers now?

i can pewn in some games dispite being about a fifth of a second behind everyone else.

They have network cards with dedicated processors on them, now.

most addon cards have "processors" on them, if you are not too specific about what a "processor" is.

I've seen a network card with enough processing power to run Descent. :/
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: est1895 on April 08, 2013, 09:45:36 pm
Well BloodEagle all I really want is security.  The house has two computers that would have to use a router you can print from.  Some of the material to print may have sensitive information. 
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 08, 2013, 09:57:49 pm
what? they have gaming routers now?

i can pewn in some games dispite being about a fifth of a second behind everyone else.

They have network cards with dedicated processors on them, now.

most addon cards have "processors" on them, if you are not too specific about what a "processor" is.

I've seen a network card with enough processing power to run Descent. :/

anything with an fpga can load a fairly good soft processor. sometimes even x86. ive also seen hacks where add on cards have been made to run by themselves, piping commands into it with a microcontroller, such as a midi board or a video card.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Polpolion on April 08, 2013, 10:12:54 pm
Well BloodEagle all I really want is security.  The house has two computers that would have to use a router you can print from.  Some of the material to print may have sensitive information.

You have more to be worried about people walking up the printer and swiping your documents before you can grab it than anything else, really.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Kopachris on April 09, 2013, 04:09:53 am
There isn't really a "most secure" router.  Any router that's set up correctly with WPA2 will be about as secure as any other.  Or you could just skip wifi entirely and stick with wired ethernet.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Klaustrophobia on April 09, 2013, 08:58:10 am
you can also turn off SSID broadcasting for a little bit of extra security.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Terminator on April 09, 2013, 10:54:00 am
If you want to get even more secure you could try RADIUS authentication. I don't know if commercial routers support it though. DD-WRT does I think.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Fury on April 09, 2013, 11:24:03 am
you can also turn off SSID broadcasting for a little bit of extra security.
This doesn't provide any extra security at all. Any packet sniffer can find wifi packets in the air, SSID broadcasting or not. And from that they can find devices from both ends of the packets. The only thing disabling SSID broadcasting does is prevent someone else accidentally connect to your wifi network. Whole disable SSID broadcasting for security is a myth. In addition, many consumer devices in typical household such as TV's can't find or connect to wifi network without SSID broadcasting.

To protect your home wifi network, make sure you use WPA2 AES encryption and 504-bit key. That is enough security to hold against any potential drive-by hacker, sniffer or crackpot neighbour. Any additional authentication on top of that is mostly redundant. But if you really want more security than what WPA AES with 504-bit key provides, get wifi router that supports OpenVPN. Which DD-WRT AFAIK supports too. RADIUS has its flaws, so if you go the extra mile, might just as well go with OpenVPN.

Edit: Password generator that can do 504-bit key for you: http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/WPA_key/generator.php
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Ghostavo on April 09, 2013, 11:49:56 am
1. SATA is backwards compatible.

This isn't entirely true.  Some of the older stuff is not compatible.  For example the SATA HD in my P4 3.06ghz system will not work on any SATA2 or 3 controllers that I have tried.  Now granted that is a first gen SATA HD that even has both the SATA and standard power connectors and is 10+ years old. 

The concept of compatibility is directional, hence the terms forward and backward compatible. Regardless, SATA drives and hosts are supposed to automatically setup to the highest allowable speed. If it doesn't, that's a problem with the device not following the specs.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Fury on April 09, 2013, 01:57:42 pm
Also, you may want to consider 802.11ac wifi router such as Asus RT-AC66U, Buffalo AC1300 or Netgear R6300. Maybe some others too. 802.11n which is what most routers have today really blows when it comes to data transfer speeds, even the dual-band ones.

I have 4G LTE and it's faster than 802.11n, so I have to plug it to my main computer via USB. The rest of my devices in wifi network will have to deal with reduced internet speed compared to the one plugged via USB. It really is kinda ridiculous how far behind local wireless network speed is dragging. Now, 802.11ac helps but it's still in draft and not finalized even though devices with 802.11ac have already appeared in stores, but they're based on draft specs which may yet change. No question about them being faster than 802.11n though, as long as all devices use 802.11ac that is.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 09, 2013, 04:28:38 pm
i think im still on 802.11g.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on April 09, 2013, 05:00:10 pm
1. SATA is backwards compatible.

This isn't entirely true.  Some of the older stuff is not compatible.  For example the SATA HD in my P4 3.06ghz system will not work on any SATA2 or 3 controllers that I have tried.  Now granted that is a first gen SATA HD that even has both the SATA and standard power connectors and is 10+ years old. 

The concept of compatibility is directional, hence the terms forward and backward compatible. Regardless, SATA drives and hosts are supposed to automatically setup to the highest allowable speed. If it doesn't, that's a problem with the device not following the specs.

Or they changed the specs after the devices where released which with first gen devices such as the ones I'm referring to is not uncommon. 


As of the N vs G router argument I've noticed the biggest difference there is that N sucks if there are any obstructions.  Put the router and the wireless card in direct line of sight and N works well, have anything in the way and N falls off real fast were G does not.  This includes stupid things like the computer case.  I've had no problems with a good G router going through 4 walls.  Same model in an N version won't even go through 1.  The only good part is on at least that model you can force it to fall back to G in which case it works just fine.   
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 09, 2013, 05:39:44 pm
g has worked for me, ive considered upping to n for years and really havent found a justification for doing so. what i have been doing is replacing old network cards for newer ones, such as all the old skool pci cards i have floating around with pcix cards. with ac coming into play i think il skip n all together (now what to do with all these n cards).
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Rodo on April 09, 2013, 08:15:30 pm
Isn't it easier just using wpa2 + mac filtering rules? It's probably crackeable as well but that's what I use at home.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 09, 2013, 10:00:42 pm
i use mac filtering. use an allow list, only include macs from your devices. of course the filter really only keeps people form hacking in and stealing your bandwidth, they can still sniff out your packets.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Kopachris on April 10, 2013, 01:05:01 am
i use mac filtering. use an allow list, only include macs from your devices. of course the filter really only keeps people form hacking in and stealing your bandwidth, they can still sniff out your packets.
Don't rely on mac filtering, though.  It's trivial to spoof a mac address. (http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/how-to-spoof-a-mac-address/395)
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on April 10, 2013, 01:25:17 am
Yep good old 3c90x series of cards or going back even older the Kingston KTC-40 and DC2110 series with mac addresses set via the driver.  The ability to change mac addresses was actually a requirement for setting up DECnet over lanmanager.  The mac address had to be in order of the DECnet addresses and scaled by a certain offset (been years can't remember the specifics).  Just remember it was a pain in the butt finding the card models that supported the remapping at times.  Ah the good old days of running IPX, TCP/IP, DECnet, LMdos, and at least 2 or 3 other protocols I can't remember while trying to still have enough memory of that 640k to actually run a program 
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 10, 2013, 01:35:55 am
i use mac filtering. use an allow list, only include macs from your devices. of course the filter really only keeps people form hacking in and stealing your bandwidth, they can still sniff out your packets.
Don't rely on mac filtering, though.  It's trivial to spoof a mac address. (http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/how-to-spoof-a-mac-address/395)

theres that too. but when combined with other security measures and decent encryption scheme and a long enough key, you are pretty well protected. i would have better security than i do but considering where i live and the totally incompetent nature of the miniscule local population i dont think my network is at risk, especially with no fewer than 3 unsecured networks in the area. i also dont want to have the best security either, because that kinda makes you a target for those hackers looking for a challenge.
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Rodo on April 10, 2013, 09:06:17 am
yeah mac filtering is enough to keep my muggle neighbours at bay :P

and a question, increasing security messures impact in transfer performance in any way?, I know mac doesn't but maybe using 504bit does?
Title: Re: Tech Questions
Post by: Nuke on April 10, 2013, 01:42:28 pm
i dont think it does by any relevant amount, unless the network gets bogged down by too much traffic (such as way too many clients). all the encryption would be done in hardware.
Title: More Tech Questions.
Post by: est1895 on April 13, 2013, 06:37:15 pm
How the Hell did my Expressgate get enabled? :confused:  I'm using Windows Xp home.