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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: Hippo on April 21, 2013, 07:29:49 pm

Title: Ship outline
Post by: Hippo on April 21, 2013, 07:29:49 pm

It's been a while. (a decade...)

Am I just doing something wrong, or does the color coded ship outlines now get completely overridden by the show ship models option?

(also hi.)

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: General Battuta on April 21, 2013, 09:25:25 pm

Yeah, basically never ever use the color coded ship wireframes. It's incredibly slow and provides no real benefit.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: Hippo on April 21, 2013, 09:57:00 pm

I disagree; having just tried, there is no performance difference between the two. Though you may not, I find it very useful.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: General Battuta on April 21, 2013, 10:05:47 pm

Weird! I could've sworn it used some terribly inefficient software-only rendering pipeline. Try loading up a big mission with a lot of ship models onscreen in FRED and see if you can get any differences.

It may have been fixed up, but as recently as last year it was basically unusable with a lot of polygons on screen.

e: Just tried it out and it looks great and performs super smooth! I don't know if this is because I'm on a deferred rendering build or whether that matters at all, but you should be able to use it without problem.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: mjn.mixael on April 21, 2013, 10:52:39 pm

This was fixed recently.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: Hippo on April 21, 2013, 10:58:09 pm

3.7 RC1
Shall I drop it in mantis?

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: General Battuta on April 21, 2013, 11:00:34 pm

Exactly what issue are you having? You can't get the wireframe option?

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: mjn.mixael on April 21, 2013, 11:01:05 pm

Wait wut? Show models has always overridden show outlines as far as I can remember. Just deselect 'show models' and you'll get your outlines.

I was referring to the speed of the outlines. That was recently fixed.. before 3.6.14, iirc.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: Hippo on April 21, 2013, 11:06:21 pm

No, with both options selected the model would be displayed with the wireframe and coloring. Presently when both are selected only the model is displayed. This also is the case when showing selected ships.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: General Battuta on April 21, 2013, 11:07:43 pm

Right click and make sure you have 'show ship models' deselected and 'show outlines' selected.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: Hippo on April 21, 2013, 11:11:25 pm

See attached. "Show outlines" and "show models" are enabled in both.

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Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: FelixJim on April 22, 2013, 05:49:41 am

I knew my childhood memories of FRED weren't wrong! I do remember this in FRED, but I can't vouch for FRED2.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: General Battuta on April 22, 2013, 11:04:20 am

Ooh, I gotcha. That does look mantisable.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: Solatar on April 22, 2013, 08:18:02 pm

I always thought it was intentional and/or well-known (clearly it's neither), although I have no real reasoning other than a vague recollection that maybe the new behavior started with HTL enabled FRED builds.

Title: Re: Ship outline
Post by: FelixJim on April 23, 2013, 04:37:31 am

Quote from: Solatar on April 22, 2013, 08:18:02 pm

I always thought it was intentional and/or well-known (clearly it's neither), although I have no real reasoning other than a vague recollection that maybe the new behavior started with HTL enabled FRED builds.

I just ran FRED with -nohtl and the old behaviour came back. That was a good catch. But goodness, it's still a huge performance hit.