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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: headdie on April 22, 2013, 03:56:55 pm
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Relic’s Quinn Duffy gave us hope for a third entry in the franchise, saying there is “a strong possibility we’ll all be working together again on Dawn of War.”
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according to former THQ president Danny Bilson, some version of Dawn of War 3 was in the pipe before the house of cards came down.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/22/relic-says-a-new-dawn-of-war-is-a-strong-possibility/
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Boooooooooooo
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:wtf: i haven't played DowII yet as still having fun with DoWI so what's so bad?
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Dawn of War 2 was a mistake. Let us never speak of this again. :P
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Neat! I quite liked dow2: retribution , hours of fun in single and multiplayer there. XD
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disgaree. dow2 was pretty good. the campaign AND multiplayer were much better. though skirmish against the ai sucked
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Also liked DoW2, though it lacked in scale a bit compared to 1. What I loved in the DoW1 was it's diversity. In most RTSes you get 3 factions, in DoW you could get up to 9 (10 with the Tyranid mod). DoW2 only managed 6 in Retribution, and it only had 1 campaign (despite it being playable with different factions), but it was still good.
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Dow 2 vanilla was rubbish in terms of level design, think of the reuse of the same level to represent different areas in Dragon Age 2 and that's the level design of DoW2, also as people have said it lacked the grand scale that DoW 1 had. Now Chaos Rising was a very good expansion pack and it did fix some of the issue's of DOW2, such as more varied levels, a much better campaign and story telling vastly improved. It was like a modern version of Chaos Gate. Retribution was also ok, the campaign if played as the Blood Ravens is good, as they are the cannon race to choose. The only downside every level was the exact same no matter what race you where, but still a good expansion.
Now i would love to see a third game in the series and see what happens next in the tale of the Blood Ravens. I would like to see more proper ingame cutscenes, proper codex squads ie 5 man space marine squads etc. Also if they do multiple campaigns, please for the love of god have different stories and missions for them, learn from Retribution's campaign!
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anybody still playing it? with the elite mod?
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Nope. Still playing DoW1 though with the FoK mod. :P
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Been heavily playing the Ultimate Apocalypse mod for Soulstorm - it's like every teenage boy's fantasy for WH40K come true.
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Boooooooooooo
Silence, heretic!
DoW2 vanilla was kinda bad but the other two were pretty decent.
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Dow 2 vanilla was rubbish in terms of level design, think of the reuse of the same level to represent different areas in Dragon Age 2 and that's the level design of DoW2, also as people have said it lacked the grand scale that DoW 1 had.
Small scale warfare is kinda what Space Marines are all about.
Nothing sez SPACE MUHREEN like only a handfull of them butchering entire alien hordes.
I loved DOW1, but the scale kinda made the marines less awesome, for the sake of balance.
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I'm pretty sure that's not what was meant; rather the repetitive play elements on every level and the map reuse.
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Small scale warfare is kinda what Space Marines are all about.
Nothing sez SPACE MUHREEN like only a handfull of them butchering entire alien hordes.
I loved DOW1, but the scale kinda made the marines less awesome, for the sake of balance.
If there's one thing DoW2 consistently did well, it was it's depiction of Space Marines (and Chaos Space Marines, for the same reason). DoW1 indeed downplayed their badassery a bit. On the flip side, Orks and IG were really shining in it, and I think that Tyranids would work better in DoW1 than 2. Basically, DoW1 did huge and spammy armies better, while DoW2 did smaller, more tactical armies better.
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For me the lack of defensive options killed a lot of the fun since there's really no way to hold much territory against backcapping, especially since unlike CoH there are no speedy light vehicles like bikes and jeeps to send as a rapid reaction force. I'm also not fond of the DoW2 IG since the overall limited defensive options and general map design makes trying to hold the line a giant pain since you're basically trying to keep water in a leaky sieve.
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I would recommend you guys check out the elite mod. It alleviates a lot of the multi-player issues both fluff and balance wise with dow2 ret.
http://www.dawnofwar.info/index.php?page=elite/about
and defenses didn't last all that long to concentrated efforts anyway in dow1, so I really don't miss that feature. I liked the diablo-esque loot system of dow2 vanilla, but chaos rising was exceptional for massively improving both story and level design. retribution was maybe not a step forward, but the multi-player was better, and it ditched games for windows live in favor of steam.
also light vehichles? razorback/rhino, war trukk, falcon, the annoying IG transport(Chimera), tyranids have tunnels and i think there is one more that I'm forgetting. all the tanks work pretty well speed wise
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Land Speeders, Warbuggies/Wartrakks, and Vypers would do that job better and cheaper than full transport vehicles. I'm also not particularly referring to DoW1 defenses, but CoH defenses since Relic used so much of that game for DoW2 but left out obs posts/LP's, territory control, bases so Annihilate is a viable game mode, and supporting fire weapons like IG mortars and Space Marine Whirlwinds. The most CoH-like faction of them all, the Imperial Guard, notorious throughout 40k lore for holding the line and chucking tons of high explosive ordnance, have issues holding the line thanks to defensive cover enemies can walk through, have situational and inconstant artillery like the Manticore (should have been a Griffon or Colossus that can actually sustain fire and doesn't need to have its payload nerfed into oblivion to fit DoW2 scale), and have a Leman Russ tank that is generally not as effective as you would expect a full-size heavy tank to be compared to a medium tank like the Predator.
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Dawn of War 2 was a mistake. Let us never speak of this again. :P
Shush. DoW2's multiplayer had issues. DoW2's campaign was great. CR was especially awesome. Retribution's campaign was less good because they tried to make it work for all factions, which made it short and hugely unsatisfying.
As an SP-oriented person, I find the trade entirely worth it.
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Agh. Most of the issues you mentioned are fixed in the elite mod. Mortars? Check. Whirlwinds? Check. IG can certainly hold the line in that. and tanks now murder infantry.
I admit/agree that annihilate is a broken game mode. I think that is more the result of the AI being awful though.
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Shush. DoW2's multiplayer had issues. DoW2's campaign was ****ing awesome. CR especially. Retribution was less good because they tried to make it work for all factions, which made it short and hugely unsatisfying.
As an SP-oriented person, I find the trade entirely worth it.
You also think Homeworld 2's story makes for a better Homeworld game than Cata's, when Homeworld 2's scavenger-hunt hardly makes for a good story for anything
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Agh. Most of the issues you mentioned are fixed in the elite mod. Mortars? Check. Whirlwinds? Check. IG can certainly hold the line in that. and tanks now murder infantry.
I admit/agree that annihilate is a broken game mode. I think that is more the result of the AI being awful though.
If I don't need to deploy multiple squads of Guardsmen to have a chance against a single squad of Space Marines, not interested. :P
That site also contains very little information about Elite other than unit stats, such as a changelog or an overview of the general changes, and it doesn't even have unit stats for the IG, Eldar, Orks, and Nids.
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Depends. In the beginning Tacticals will out shoot Guardsmen every time. Late game, fully kitted out Guardsmen can just barely win. Maybe. They take pretty heavy loses in 1 on 1. You bleed a lot. also depend son if in cover or not or if either has any weapon upgrades. flamers are pretty nasty against Guardsmen. If you upgrade the Tacticals to Sternguard however, the Guardsmen are going to die. You will usually see 2 GM squads for every Tactical SM squad. Assualt SM will butcher GM as will most of SM t1 units. If you leave GM unsupported they will die every time. Where are you looking at? the full changelog is here http://www.dawnofwar.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3. The previous website got shut down because the previous host could no longer keep up with responsibilities. New one is expanding etc. It's slightly more difficult to find things. Banshees not longer kill everything on retreat which is nice.
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Well, as long as a squad of Space Marines is appreciably tougher than a squad of Guardsmen that's fine. IIRC in vanilla Ret a full squad of 12 Guardsmen after the Sgt. and Commissar upgrades had health and DPS roughly equivalent to Tacs. :ick: