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Title: Steele, a theory
Post by: Hobbie on April 22, 2013, 10:23:26 pm
So I was doing some reading up on the Blue Planet Intelligence stuff on the wiki, and when I got to Steele's entry I thought, hey, some of those awards sound a little familiar. Then I kept reading and saw that "he is often accused of 'mistaking his ship's subspace maneuverability for that of a fighter'".

Is Steele the player character from Freespace 2?
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: QuakeIV on April 22, 2013, 11:31:58 pm
I think theres stuff about him going from officer academy directly into warship command, so I don't think so.

I'd find it incredibly hilarious if that was the case though.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Kolgena on April 22, 2013, 11:43:12 pm
It's an interesting theory, but his service record doesn't line up. He was in 47th Cutthroats as a newbie pilot, and never spends time in the 53rd, 107th, 242nd, etc.

Spoiler:
ALL I DO IS JUMP JUMP JUMP NO MATTER WHAT. THESE BUNTUS THAT I SHOOT--THEY CAN NEVER DIE ENOUGH. AND EVERY TIME I SEND OUT ALL MY SERKRS, ALL THE BUNTU NOOBS BLOW UP. AND THEY STAY DEAD. AND THEY STAY DEAD. AND THEY STAY DEAD. TILDE K TILDE K TILDE K. CUZ ALL I DO IS JUMP. JUMP. JUMP. AND IF THE WARGODS COME, I HIT ALT J AND MAKE THEM STAY THERE
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 23, 2013, 12:03:23 am
Quote from: Kolgena on April 22, 2013, 11:43:12 pm
Spoiler:
ALL I DO IS JUMP JUMP JUMP NO MATTER WHAT. THESE BUNTUS THAT I SHOOT--THEY CAN NEVER DIE ENOUGH. AND EVERY TIME I SEND OUT ALL MY SERKRS, ALL THE BUNTU NOOBS BLOW UP. AND THEY STAY DEAD. AND THEY STAY DEAD. AND THEY STAY DEAD. TILDE K TILDE K TILDE K. CUZ ALL I DO IS JUMP. JUMP. JUMP. AND IF THE WARGODS COME, I HIT ALT J AND MAKE THEM STAY THERE
- Childwetel Steele
Thanks for the new sig. :lol:

On topic: I doubt Alpha 1 Dos is Steele. What we do know, though, is that he at one point commands three ships that are mentioned and/or appear in the FS2 Campaign (Naxos, Bretagne, Aeneas [mentioned only])
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Hobbie on April 23, 2013, 12:17:48 am
You spelt Chiwetel wrong. :P

The military records could always be falsified, especially if he's been in the 99th Skulls, but I do see everyone's point. I thought it was an interesting theory worth discussing.

It would bring an extra level of badassery to everyone's favourite rabid admiral. :P
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 23, 2013, 12:25:51 am
 I did it on purpose. :ha: :D

 Somehow I doubt that. Besides, Steele does not need extra badass, he is the badass!
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: MatthTheGeek on April 23, 2013, 01:11:16 am
Steele is much more badass as the speaking badass we see in BP than as the random mute we play in FS2. Nuf said.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: General Battuta on April 23, 2013, 01:16:08 am
Plus I think the gender of the FS2 pilot is never specified.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Dilmah G on April 23, 2013, 01:20:04 am
Quote from: QuakeIV on April 22, 2013, 11:31:58 pm
I think theres stuff about him going from officer academy directly into warship command, so I don't think so.

I'd find it incredibly hilarious if that was the case though.
I'm not sure if his dossier has changed since I wrote it, but yes, he did time in SOC until he sustained a wound from action, upon which he remustered to warships. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: -Norbert- on April 23, 2013, 01:44:25 am
I wonder if he might have been among those guys that busted the player out in the SOC loop.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 23, 2013, 02:13:27 am
Quote from: General Battuta on April 23, 2013, 01:16:08 am
Plus I think the gender of the FS2 pilot is never specified.

It's not. I made a fairly thorough check once, because I wanted to insert FS2 A1 as female.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Dragon on April 23, 2013, 03:36:43 pm
Quote from: General Battuta on April 23, 2013, 01:16:08 am
Plus I think the gender of the FS2 pilot is never specified.
I bet that if I posted that back when I was on the main team, The_E would've axed my post for hinting a plot point that Alpha 1 from FS2 was actually female in BP universe. :)



DISCLAIMER: Not an actual spoiler. I'm out of the loop since about by two months due to exams, so I have no idea what is actually planned. It's a joke and just that.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: rubixcube on April 23, 2013, 04:55:00 pm
I think FS1 alpha 1 was a male, you can tell by the sound of the voice during the last monologue
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: knossosfs2 on April 23, 2013, 05:37:34 pm
Kind of off topic, but does anyone else see Calder as Alpha 1 from FS1?
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 23, 2013, 05:48:51 pm
no, because fs1 alpha 1 is in the fedayeen
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Hobbie on April 23, 2013, 06:14:40 pm
Heh. Next question. Is Al-Dawa FS1 Alpha 1 then?

It would fit, seeing as Alpha 1 supposedly formed the Fedayeen...
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: knossosfs2 on April 23, 2013, 06:16:38 pm
I was just about to ask that   :)
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: rubixcube on April 23, 2013, 06:29:18 pm
Al-Dawa is more than one person last I checked.

I doubt the BP team will ever put an identity to any of the playable characters, it kind of goes against the spirit of the Freespace 1 and 2
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Aesaar on April 23, 2013, 06:42:01 pm
Quote from: knossosfs2 on April 23, 2013, 05:37:34 pm
Kind of off topic, but does anyone else see Calder as Alpha 1 from FS1?
Calder's service history is available in the techroom.  IIRC, he was the gunnery officer on a Fenris when the node collapsed.

Quote from: PhantomHoover on April 23, 2013, 05:48:51 pm
no, because fs1 alpha 1 is in the fedayeen
He might also be dead by this point.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: knossosfs2 on April 23, 2013, 07:15:03 pm
That would actually suck if Alpha 1 were still alive with the possibility of Shivans coming to Sol. After all, he did say that he did not expect to "see them in his lifetime" after the node collapsed.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 23, 2013, 07:18:22 pm
 Key word being "expect." Because nobody expects the Shivan inquisition! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Tym0MObFpTI#t=56s)
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 23, 2013, 07:19:23 pm
we really didn't need you to add a link explaining the reference
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 23, 2013, 07:20:59 pm
Some peeps might not get it otherwise and it would kill it if they ask.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Kolgena on April 23, 2013, 07:24:02 pm
Al-dawa is a hive mind. I'd consider Alpha 1 to possibly be a component of it.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: SpardaSon21 on April 23, 2013, 07:30:07 pm
Actually, Al-Da'wa isn't.  IIRC he's a gestalt consciousness created by combining bits of the personalities of everyone who accesses the Dreamscape through CASSANDRA and he actually resides in CASSANDRA when not taking over the bodies of random members of the Fedayeen through Nagari.  That's why Al-Da'wa is referred to as being all of the Fedayeen and not just some.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Kolgena on April 23, 2013, 07:35:20 pm
So he's a copy pasta reaper that is capable of ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL?
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: SpardaSon21 on April 23, 2013, 08:05:04 pm
Considering Al-Da'wa is not a one-dimensional cliched villain, no. :P  I'm pretty sure he's far more nuanced than a Reaper.  I do wonder whether or not he bothers to ask permission first and what happens to the current inhabiting consciousness of that body, however.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Hobbie on April 23, 2013, 08:32:38 pm
Quote from: SpardaSon21 on April 23, 2013, 08:05:04 pm
Considering Al-Da'wa is not a one-dimensional cliched villain, no. :P  I'm pretty sure he's far more nuanced than a Reaper.  I do wonder whether or not he bothers to ask permission first and what happens to the current inhabiting consciousness of that body, however.

If he does ask permission and the... subject is aware, how come it's a secret? If I'm wrong and it's only really a secret to Laporte, feel free to correct me here.

They probably just black out when it happens.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 23, 2013, 08:48:06 pm
 Fugue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state) flight. Just like in "Ken" according to it's debriefing.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: FIZ on April 24, 2013, 07:44:07 pm
Gonna be a total mind**** when [speculation] The Aquitaine [/speculation] arrives.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 24, 2013, 07:54:16 pm
 No Petrarch, no point besides pulling a Galatea on a ship we are not attached to. (Also, was I the only who didn't give a single dam when the Gala Beam Banged?)
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: redsniper on April 24, 2013, 09:37:18 pm
I don't think the Al Da'wa people are literally taken over by another consciousness. More like, if you're a member of the Al Da'wa corps, you occasionally get a call in the dreamscape telling you "go here, find these guys, give them these orders." So you carry out the will of Al Da'wa while maintaining the air of mystery.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Crybertrance on April 26, 2013, 04:12:29 am
Quote from: redsniper on April 24, 2013, 09:37:18 pm
.... More like, if you're a member of the Al Da'wa corps....


 :wakka:
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: redsniper on April 26, 2013, 11:28:20 am
No seriously. Battuta or someone once said that there's basically a group of Fedayeen volunteers that handle Al Da'wa duty.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: qwadtep on April 26, 2013, 04:49:11 pm
Quote from: An4ximandros on April 24, 2013, 07:54:16 pm
No Petrarch, no point besides pulling a Galatea on a ship we are not attached to. (Also, was I the only who didn't give a single dam when the Gala Beam Banged?)
Petrarch is already dead.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 26, 2013, 05:05:09 pm
Quote from: An4ximandros
No Petrarch, no point (...)
Quote
Implicit: Implied indirectly, without being directly expressed.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: -Sara- on April 27, 2013, 07:22:26 am
I think Al Da'wa might be Ceiling Cat. He has indoctrinated the UEF for decades with pictures of kittens, to condition the Sol population for a gradual take-over by the feline master-race. When conditions are sufficiently favourable, Al Da'wa will at last reveal himself through a subspace aperture above the Earth, appearing as a giant, feline head in the sky.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Gray113 on April 27, 2013, 12:37:11 pm
Looks suspiciously at the kitten he is babysitting for a friend  :shaking:
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Crybertrance on April 27, 2013, 11:21:08 pm
Quote from: Gray113 on April 27, 2013, 12:37:11 pm
Looks suspiciously at the kitten he is babysitting for a friend  :shaking:

Wouldn't that be kittensitting then? :P
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 27, 2013, 11:33:25 pm
 I figured it out: Steele is - SPACE! - Batman. I did not just take that from the Naratextures. Nope. No Sir.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Terminator on April 28, 2013, 02:30:43 am
He's the admiral Sol deserves, but not the one it needs...
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Flak on April 28, 2013, 03:56:35 am
I don't think he is Batman, he is Rommel.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Dilmah G on April 28, 2013, 04:57:54 am
You know, that's not too bad of an analogy. Good call as well, I was reading (about) Rommel's book just now. :P
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: -Sara- on April 28, 2013, 07:37:55 am
And I have this stupid gut feeling that he is going to sacrifice himself for Earth's sake through a strange play of circumstances. In the end those guys always see the bigger picture and do the noble thing, reinforcing the whole "I'm doing it for their sake, even if they don't appreciate it". Can't wait to see who Steele really is, when presure and the final hour really push him to the edge.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 28, 2013, 08:05:15 am
 If UT has any degree of believability, he will charge a wall of Juggernauts & a Leviathan and get ROFLstomped. Of course, he's probably not that stupid in the real world, and that may just have been one way the whole thing could play out. It is a simulation after all.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: General Battuta on April 28, 2013, 08:33:10 am
Quote from: An4ximandros on April 28, 2013, 08:05:15 am
If UT has any degree of believability, he will charge a wall of Juggernauts & a Leviathan and get ROFLstomped. Of course, he's probably not that stupid in the real world, and that may just have been one way the whole thing could play out. It is a simulation after all.

That doesn't happen in UT.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: -Sara- on April 28, 2013, 08:36:05 am
Quote from: An4ximandros on April 28, 2013, 08:05:15 am
If UT has any degree of believability, he will charge a wall of Juggernauts & a Leviathan and get ROFLstomped. Of course, he's probably not that stupid in the real world, and that may just have been one way the whole thing could play out. It is a simulation after all.

I'm basing no assumption on UT. It's how that breed of character strikes me, there's always more to them. They're not the typical flat-character that needs killing, for the sake of 'good riddance'.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Gray113 on April 28, 2013, 09:22:00 am
I hope you are given a choice regarding Steele's fate depending on the decisions that you make throughout the game, although this would probably make the plot for BP3 problematic.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: An4ximandros on April 28, 2013, 09:32:39 am
 How so? According to 'Tutta you play as a 'Sudan
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: Gray113 on April 28, 2013, 09:40:03 am
I would still expect the most successful Terran admiral in the GTVA to get at least a mention in passing. A character mentioning that Steele got wasted by some crazy lesbian hippy would look daft if I choose not to kill him.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 28, 2013, 02:12:25 pm
Quote from: Flak on April 28, 2013, 03:56:35 am
I don't think he is Batman, he is Rommel.

Steele is a far better officer than Rommel was. Rommel was an inspirational front-line genius but his skill as a manager of large enterprises was suspect. He was not a strategic or operational thinker, but a tactical one.

Steele has shown he can do all three, and more importantly, effectively integrate them.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: FIZ on April 29, 2013, 05:18:35 pm
No offense intended NG... but first thing that popped in my mind... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIsSNEUmc4
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: General Battuta on April 29, 2013, 05:34:24 pm
Quote from: FIZ on April 29, 2013, 05:18:35 pm
No offense intended NG... but first thing that popped in my mind... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIsSNEUmc4

We try to develop our fiction with an eye for this level of analysis.
Title: Re: Steele, a theory
Post by: FIZ on April 29, 2013, 05:42:45 pm
Yeah, I know, and I respect that (exception that proves the rule above). 

Just me being silly after a long drive home.  I'll go back to lurking now. :warp:

Edit: (Trying to contribute and save face) Steele does have quite the logistical advantage over what Rommel had to keep parity.  Steele faces a siege on an unprecedented scale against an opponent that has been entirely self sufficient for quite some time.  Rommel... not so much.  After Africa, I do not think he was granted the same 'exception to the chain of command' that Steele now has at the conclusion of Act III.