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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mobius on April 27, 2013, 06:26:18 am
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/26/us/new-york-9-11-plane-part/index.html
NY police: Landing gear part found, is tied to 9/11
New York (CNN) -- A piece believed to be from one of the airliners that hit the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001, has been found behind the site of an Islamic community center near ground zero, the New York Police Department said Friday.
Investigators are looking into how a part of what appears to be landing gear became wedged between 51 Park Place -- the site of a controversial community center -- and another building, just a few blocks from ground zero.
"If you see how confined this space is, and you realize the chaos that existed on this street, I think it's understandable. It's not that surprising," NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said.
"It's very, very confined and no construction work went on, or no clean up went on in this 18 inch space between the two buildings" after the attacks.
Even so, he said investigators were looking at all possibilities, including whether the part was intentionally placed between the two buildings.
"We are also looking into a possibility it was lowered by a rope," Kelly said, adding that a piece of rope appeared to be intertwined with the part.
But Kelly said an initial investigation show there are no marks on the walls between the two buildings consistent with such an object being lowered. He also said there appears to be a break in the rope and that it came down from the roof on top of the plane part.
National Transportation Safety Board investigators will determine whether the part is from either United Airlines Flight 175 or American Airlines Flight 11, which hit the twin towers, he said.
The part "includes a clearly visible Boeing identification number," police said in a written statement released earlier in the day.
American Airlines and United Airlines declined to comment.
The part was discovered Wednesday by surveyors hired by a property owner. They called 911 to report that they'd found "apparently damaged machinery," police said.
"The NYPD is securing the location as it would a crime scene, documenting it photographically," the statement said.
The plane part will not be moved until after the medical examiner's office completes a health and safety inspection.
"The office of the chief medical examiner will do an in-depth examination of the site to see if there are, in fact, human remains there," Kelly said.
New York police officers were standing guard Friday through the weekend outside the buildings. Investigators are expected to return Monday to determine how to remove the part.
The plane part is about five feet long, four feet wide and 17 inches deep, Kelly said. It was discovered between the two buildings, in a space about 18 inches, he said.
The discovery of the plane part comes more than 11 years after the two airliners slammed into the towers of the World Trade Center.
"Well, obviously, this is a manifestation of a horrific terrorist attack a block and a half away from where we stand," Kelly said. "So sure. It brings back terrible memories to anyone who was here and anyone who was involved in that event."
Sally Regenhard, whose son Christian -- a probationary firefighter -- died when the towers collapsed, said she was not surprised by the find.
"I'm disgusted, because after 9/11 the proper search was never done. The whole aftermath was uncoordinated. It was inadequate," she said.
Regenhard has been one of the leading voices and, at times, critics for the families of the September 11 victims, pushing hard for a federal investigation and calling for a more comprehensive search for remains and debris.
"We advocated for a huge trajectory from that collapse," she said. "Human remains were thrown at least for a mile, but probably two or three miles from the site."
In the years since, a number of pieces of debris as well as human remains have been discovered in Lower Manhattan.
"We are cooperating fully with the appropriate authorities to make sure this piece of evidence is removed with care as quickly and effectively as possible," said Sharif El-Gamal, president of Soho Properties, the owner of 51 Park Place.
The building had been the site of furious protests, pitting those opposed to putting an Islamic center near ground zero and those who say it is a center meant to bring people together.
Rob Frehse reported from New York; Chelsea J. Carter reported and wrote from Atlanta. CNN's Lorenzo Ferrigno contributed to this report.
I can't wait to see what our beloved conspiracy theorists will do in order to turn this into "evidence" that they are right.
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A second post has struck the thread
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:lol: A wild third post has appeared!
Seriously, Saw this on the news several hours ago. Dad immediately commened about how suss it is that it has only just been found. However, the article as above is a lot more indepth than the news segment we got. Which basically was
- Landing gear found near 9/11 site. Inbetween two buildings. And it showed the gap of them.
Very umm.. insightful it was.
I suppose it is quite easy to miss things, especially if they are located in such a spot. But from what I have seen. It looked very confined, I would have expected more damage to have been done as it hit the ground.
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oh boy, the talking heads of Fox News, CNN, and the like are just going to be ****ting all over themselves trying to spin this one into a conspiracy theory.
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It just had to land right next to that community center every was ****ting themselves over a while back. :rolleyes:
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yup, that's what I call irony.
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That's not irony. If anything it carries unfortunate implications some people will use as an excuse to **** their pants, and then blame the bowel mismovements on the Islamic center.
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http://theoatmeal.com/comics/irony
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Maybe I'm the first one to think/say: Who the **** actually cares?
It's a chunk of a plane that was used to kill a lot of people. Other than that, it's existence and current location is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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I think it's at least noteworthy that this large piece of wreckage from 12 years ago apparently fell in a spot where it's remained undiscovered until now, especially when you think of how much time was spent sifting through and cleaning a good chunk of downtown Manhattan.
(Note that this is not to suggest any sort of conspiracy bull**** at play.)
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...especially when you think of how much time was spent sifting through and cleaning a good chunk of downtown Manhattan.
There really wasn't much time at all spent doing that. At least, not in any organized, detailed sense. Wouldn't be surprising or out of sorts in the least if this piece was laying in the middle of the street that afternoon/evening/next day and someone lassoed it out of the way so vehicles could pass and then just forgot about it.
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I think it's at least noteworthy that this large piece of wreckage from 12 years ago apparently fell in a spot where it's remained undiscovered until now
I feel the same way about new species of animals/insects. Difference being is the significance of the two, of which the piece from the wreckage has little.