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Title: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: watsisname on May 11, 2013, 01:02:54 am
From the director of Children of Men comes some sort of space thriller.  And... wow. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufsrgE0BYf0)

I normally do not give a **** about special effects these days; it seems any movie with a hundred million dollar budget will have good VFX, so when I say I was blown away by the effects here, I don't say that lightly.

However, I do not know how I feel about the story, or at least what has been revealed from the trailer, which looks like way too much of not a whole lot.  I mean how much more interesting stuff can happen after [enormously spectacular plot point] occurs that hasn't been shown in the trailer already?   I feel like the only reason to see this movie is to see [enormously spectacular plot point].  I don't know if I can give a **** about the astronauts; particularly if they are Sandra Bullock and George Clooney.  Apparently Clooney replaced Robert Downey, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Scourge of Ages on May 11, 2013, 01:20:17 am
Well, better a trailer like this which presumably only shows the beginning [spectacular plot point] and doesn't spoil the story parts.

Unless this ends up being the finale, in which case that's dumb. Looks cool though.

EDIT: Kerbal, er, Human Space Program: the Movie
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: watsisname on May 11, 2013, 01:26:04 am
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Kerbal Space Program: the Movie

I would be totally okay with this being a thing.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: General Battuta on May 11, 2013, 08:30:31 am
I've been waiting for this movie for like a geological eon
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 11, 2013, 09:59:59 am
I think it's likely it'll be a kind of "wilderness survival" plot, except in orbit rather than the sea or the desert or wherever.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: StarSlayer on May 13, 2013, 03:22:33 pm
Time to compose your death haiku.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: SpardaSon21 on May 13, 2013, 03:59:38 pm
Wonder how many people will get that. ;7
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2013, 04:51:59 pm
"My problem with the Gravity teaser is that it has astronauts panicking in space. Astronauts don't do that." -- Sam Hughes

That's actually a very good point.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Dragon on May 13, 2013, 05:09:11 pm
Yeah. "Houston, we've had a problem." is about as emotional as they usually get.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2013, 05:31:49 pm
There's nothing in that trailer that seems like a remotely unreasonable or unbelievable reaction, especially given that modern crews draw from a pretty diverse range of backgrounds outside of the classical nerves-of-steel test pilot mold.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Nuke on May 13, 2013, 05:50:53 pm
yea with even apollo 13 the situation just wasnt that bad. they still had a pressurized cabin and some thrusters to work with. from the clip, seems the whole damn ship is destroyed and everyone has been thrown off on their own little trajectory without any thrusters. thats one hell of a **** sandwich and they have to eat the whole damn thing and ask for seconds.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2013, 06:29:44 pm
There's nothing in that trailer that seems like a remotely unreasonable or unbelievable reaction, especially given that modern crews draw from a pretty diverse range of backgrounds outside of the classical nerves-of-steel test pilot mold.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2013, 06:40:32 pm
Don't get me wrong, I'll be pissed if the movie doesn't play the astronauts believably, or sets up Sandra Bullock as the inept ingenue and George Clooney as George Clooney, or gets the orbital mechanics wrong, but hey, Alfonso Cuaron will still probably shoot a ****ing great film.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2013, 07:03:54 pm
I hate to have to say this, but the orbital mechanics will probably be, at best, highly questionable. Collisions with debris would not be able to impart enough change in momentum to the ISS to make it re-enter without it also getting blowed to smitheroons.

e: also i was making jokes about george clooney being an astronaut for some reason years ago, imo cuaron owes me millions
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: StarSlayer on May 13, 2013, 08:23:25 pm
I've seen Scott Manley recover from worse.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Flipside on May 13, 2013, 08:28:14 pm
I'll be interested to see where it goes from there, it was interesting because someone asked in the youTube comments whether NASA had protocols for situations like this, and the truth is, NASA did have protocols, though I'm not certain Astronauts still carry suicide pills...
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2013, 08:39:14 pm
AIUI the real-life protocols are to retreat to the retrograde areas of the station, and in the worst case scenario (for which they still bother pre-planning) bailing out in the Soyuzes. Dunno what they would've done if the shuttle was damaged, though; presumably they did have contingencies in place for an orbiter being unable to re-enter.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: watsisname on May 14, 2013, 08:39:51 pm
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though I'm not certain Astronauts still carry suicide pills...

I'm pretty sure they never carried suicide pills...

It'd be just as easy to simply unseal your helmet or open the airlock.  Relatively painless and you're unconscious in 15 seconds.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Bobboau on May 14, 2013, 10:17:48 pm
Collisions with debris would not be able to impart enough change in momentum to the ISS to make it re-enter without it also getting blowed to smitheroons.


so you haven't seen the trailer then.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: watsisname on May 14, 2013, 10:26:07 pm
In the trailer, the ISS did not blow up in the manner PhantomHoover described (being blasted apart by a high energy collision).  Rather, it (apparently) blew up because something combustible on board exploded after those impacts.  The explosion actually didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, from a standpoint of realism.  Looks freaking amazing though. :)

One way for things in orbit to re-enter is if they vent a significant amount of volatiles, and in such a direction as to lose orbital energy.  Not very likely for it to work out that way in practice, however.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Flipside on May 14, 2013, 10:30:19 pm
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though I'm not certain Astronauts still carry suicide pills...

I'm pretty sure they never carried suicide pills...

It'd be just as easy to simply unseal your helmet or open the airlock.  Relatively painless and you're unconscious in 15 seconds.

It seems that you may be correct, apparently they asked Buzz Aldrin "If the jets failed on the lander, what would you do in the time you had left?". His reply was "Try to fix the Lander".
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Goober5000 on May 15, 2013, 12:18:36 am
AIUI the real-life protocols are to retreat to the retrograde areas of the station, and in the worst case scenario (for which they still bother pre-planning) bailing out in the Soyuzes. Dunno what they would've done if the shuttle was damaged, though; presumably they did have contingencies in place for an orbiter being unable to re-enter.
In the case of Columbia, if the right people had known about the problem early enough, they could have powered everything down and launched Atlantis on a rescue mission.  (I for one would be very interested in seeing an alternate history movie -- something with the flavor of Apollo 13 -- where this actually happens.  That would probably be too controversial to be made, though.)

If the right people had known about the problem when it was too late to launch Atlantis but the shuttle was still in orbit, there are still things that could have been attempted.  They could have jettisoned the crapton of lab equipment it was carrying in the payload bay, as well as most of the mid-deck cargo, to reduce the mass and thus the re-entry heating.  They could also have modified the re-entry trajectory to reduce the heating on the left wing.  Armchair mission directors are divided on whether any of this would have been enough to prevent the left wing from disintegrating though.

If by some chance the shuttle made it through the re-entry but was too damaged to land, they could have parachuted out.

Whatever way you slice it, though, if you're floating in orbit without both a heat shield and a means of performing a deorbit burn, you're not getting back to Earth alive.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Nuke on May 15, 2013, 01:19:15 am
they could have fixed it with enough duct tape.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: watsisname on October 05, 2013, 07:44:12 pm
BUMP.

Anyone see this yet?  The reviews have been extraordinarily good.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 05, 2013, 08:18:09 pm
Here in the far reaches of the realms, this film will be premiered 8th November. I presume that's how long it takes to ship the film reels over the Atlantic ocean and distribute them to the furthest borderlands of Europe.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Mongoose on October 05, 2013, 09:41:48 pm
Hey, you can only ride a horse so far per day.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: redsniper on October 05, 2013, 11:18:21 pm
BUMP.

Anyone see this yet?  The reviews have been extraordinarily good.

I have.

It's the best space movie.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: watsisname on October 06, 2013, 12:13:06 am
Just got back from the theater.  Thoughts:

The good:
-Absolutely stunning visual effects; worth the admission price alone.
-Newtonian physics!  Newtonian physics everywhere!  The whole film should be called Dances with Physics... and Space Junk.
-Love the way they handle sound in space.   Everything is muted as it should be, but you hear all the internal noise the astronauts would be hearing when in direct contact with things, such as when they are working on the Hubble.  Airlock cycling effect is nice, too.
-Excellent cinematography.  Particularly the inside-the-helmet views.
-Altogether it really felt like you were there in space along with the astronauts.  Very immersive, very real.

The bad:  Be aware these may be mild spoilers.
-The treatment of orbital mechanics is absolute trash. :(  The movie pretends that the Hubble, the Shuttle, the ISS, and Tiangong 1 (Chinese Space Station), are all in practically identical orbits.  To be fair, it had to be that way for the movie to work, but it really annoyed me.

-There is no treatment of orbital drift.  In the film the ISS and Tiangong 1 stay something like 100 kilometers from one another throughout several orbits, but orbital mechanics in general does not work that way; they would drift from one another depending on relative inclination and altitude.  This effect also prevents the film's method of transferring to a distant vessel by pointing straight at it and firing the thrusters.  Anyone who has tried to rendezvous two ships in KSP or Orbiter knows what I'm talking about here.

-The debris field which ultimately gets the movie's plot going was created by Russia's intentional destruction of one of their satellites, because it was a classified spy satellite they didn't want known about or something.  Blowing up a satellite in LEO is probably the most stupid thing a country could decide to do, worse than having someone find out about whatever activities you were doing with a classified satellite.  (Newsflash: many countries operate secret spy satellites; it's pretty much taken for granted and many of them are actively tracked even by amateurs.)  But hey, it is Russia after all, and they're crazy. :)

-The debris field from the satellite's destruction was not on an orbit that threatened them, but then within what seemed like a couple of minutes it somehow manages to knock out pretty much all of the communications satellites, thus killing comm between the astronauts and Houston.  At the same time, debris also gets thrown up into an orbit that crosses theirs.  Basically, Kessler Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome), but in the span of five minutes.  Yeahno, it would not happen that fast.  But at least it makes for a good movie and a great 'holy ****' moment whenever the debris ****storm starts flying past.

-The dialogue and character development were not bad, but still left something to be desired.  George's character bothered me for some reason, too; I cared a lot more for Sandra. 
Spoiler:
Also, George dies and sets the longest spacewalk record.  Lol.

All in all, very good movie.  Recommended!
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: Luis Dias on October 06, 2013, 03:26:15 am
I really wanted to see this in 3D, but most likely I'll have to see it at home some months after.
Title: Re: Gravity [Movie Trailer]
Post by: newman on October 06, 2013, 02:35:58 pm
Seen it.

The good:

- Suspense, special effects, Sandra Bullock still looks great in underwear.


The bad:

- That is not how orbital mechanics work. At all. Starting from what causes the mess and ranging towards the resolution of the movie, if you know anything at all about orbital mechanics or about today's orbital operations / space craft, you will spot a number of mistakes. These won't be detected by the majority of the audience, and overall I think it's an interesting take on a sunday afternoon movie. But for a movie that relies almost entirely on realistic space technology of today, it sure gets almost everything wrong.