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Title: Smuggling in Gaza, It's not all guns and terror.
Post by: karajorma on May 19, 2013, 08:07:10 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/may/19/kfc-smugglers-of-gaza

Apparently KFC is the big thing now. :p
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Post by: Flipside on May 19, 2013, 11:17:25 pm
They're finger-removing good ;)
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Post by: An4ximandros on May 19, 2013, 11:24:32 pm
 Huh. I sympathise. There is no obstacles I would personally not go through to get my hands on some of these (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3411816113_2f503f3b98.jpg), for example.
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Post by: Flak on May 19, 2013, 11:25:58 pm
Guess everyone wants KFC for some reason.
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Post by: Mongoose on May 20, 2013, 12:31:00 am
Good, good...the US attempt to win over hearts and minds by spreading obesity and clogged arteries is proceeding according to plan!
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Post by: Nemesis6 on May 20, 2013, 12:34:35 am
"Terrorists...

They hate America, but they sure love our chicken!"
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Post by: NGTM-1R on May 20, 2013, 01:44:17 am
I should start shipping them Vons chicken tenders, they're hugely better.

I'll make millions.
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Post by: Mikes on May 20, 2013, 02:52:54 am
I see...  the new war on terror involves cholesterol. How inhumane! :p
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Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 20, 2013, 03:45:59 am
Guys, I'm quite sure that most of the Gaza inhabitants would be offended at being called 'terrorists'. Sure, there's a few rocket-lobbing extremists there, but most of them are just ordinary people trying to make a living despite the Israeli blockades.

Anyone else read the National Geographic piece on the Gaza tunnels a few months ago?
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Post by: Al-Rik on May 20, 2013, 07:04:18 am
At least chicken is Halal.
I doubt that it's allowed to smuggle a cheeseburger with bacon through that tunnel ;)


The most blaspheme food possible:
A hot dog made from pork &  cow, it's just infidelicious
You will offend the Hindus (no cow)
You will offend the Muslims & Jews (no pork)
You will offend the Vegans (no meat)
You will offend the Discordians (no Hot Dogs)

For extra points in blasphemy eat it on a Friday
You will offend the Christians (no meat on Friday)
Just be sure to eat it under a roof what is well protected against Lightning, just in case... ;)
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 20, 2013, 07:11:11 am
You will offend the Christians (no meat on Friday)

p. sure god actually told the pope he'd changed his mind about meat on fridays a good while ago
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Post by: Dragon on May 20, 2013, 07:21:24 am
Maybe he did. Now tell that to Christians... :)
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Post by: The E on May 20, 2013, 07:37:02 am
Enough with the religion bashing, people.
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Post by: headdie on May 20, 2013, 08:24:40 am
Much prefer our local take-away to KFC, they even do deliveries, though I hate to think what the delivery charge is to the middle east!
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Post by: BloodEagle on May 20, 2013, 09:44:00 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ucVjoTr_7s  ;)
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Post by: Sandwich on May 20, 2013, 03:29:59 pm
Christians don't do meat on Friday? Huh??
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Post by: Polpolion on May 20, 2013, 03:38:03 pm
Christians don't do meat on Friday? Huh??

Like literally everything else in religion, it depends on who you're talking to. In the RCC you're supposed to fast during the season of Lent by not eating meat on Fridays, excepting fish. Some people (even within the RCC) take that further and don't eat meat on any Friday, for some reason that is beyond me. And obviously, you have people that eat meat on Fridays during Lent anyway because they just don't care. Personally I think it's pretty weak sauce as far as fasting goes, but I'm in the "don't care" crowd to begin with.
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Post by: Scourge of Ages on May 20, 2013, 04:00:14 pm
Yeah, I thought the Friday-no-meat thing was Catholic only. Catholics being a fairly large, but not representative, portion of Christianity.
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Post by: Beskargam on May 20, 2013, 04:16:16 pm
It pretty much is. And quite a large group of Catholics don't follow it or forget about it.
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Post by: Mongoose on May 20, 2013, 04:45:08 pm
There was a time when the standard was for Catholics to abstain from meat on every Friday of the year, but over the past few decades it was cut back to just during the Fridays of Lent.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 20, 2013, 04:51:50 pm
Christians don't do meat on Friday? Huh??

in catholicism at least it stopped being mandatory (except on lent) after the second vatican council, but it's a long-running custom; also i think it only ever applied to red meat
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Post by: Mongoose on May 20, 2013, 05:28:28 pm
Yeah, fish never qualified as "meat" for whatever reason, which is why you start seeing all the Filet o' Fish commercials every time Ash Wednesday rolls around. :p
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Post by: Mebber on May 20, 2013, 06:06:07 pm
Reminds me of some not-so-serious "vegetarians" who abandon meat as food, but not fish. I can understand that if it's just based on personal taste or health concerns, but not if they say they're not eating meat for moral reasons and the like (don't wanna say that's common, it's just i met some who did). That seems kinda silly to me.

"Aww, the cute lamb. I'm not gonna eat that... how can YOU eat that, you monster!? - Oh! Fish fingers! Yummy!"

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Post by: BloodEagle on May 20, 2013, 07:45:23 pm
Fun fact: plants exhibit fear.
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Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on May 20, 2013, 08:12:08 pm
Yeah, fish never qualified as "meat" for whatever reason, which is why you start seeing all the Filet o' Fish commercials every time Ash Wednesday rolls around. :p

Of course fish never qualified as meat since most of apostle were fishermen.   How to increase profits?  Use your newly formed religion to make your product the only acceptable meat. 

BTW the rules are so ridiculous and convoluted now it isn't funny.  You can eat eggs but not chicken.  Drink milk and eat cheese but no beef.  There are exemptions for the elderly.  There are even exemptions if St. Patty's day falls on a Friday.  It's all just man made BS.   
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Post by: Mongoose on May 20, 2013, 08:23:04 pm
Kind of a weird tangent we're on here, but I don't see why eggs, milk, and cheese shouldn't be okay, since none of those are "meat" in any sense, just products from animals; there are plenty of vegetarians fine with eating them too.  And the elderly are exempted for health concerns, in case they have certain dietary needs, but most of them would still normally abstain.

Plus, if you go by the gospels, the apostles who were fishermen quit when they first met Jesus, so they weren't exactly helping their bottom line here. :p (That's assuming that the tradition goes all the way back to apostolic times, which I'm unsure of.)
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Post by: Dragon on May 20, 2013, 08:25:46 pm
Actually, birds also were exempted at some point, hence why bustards are rare in England. Back in the middle ages, this was a popular exploit. Oh, and beavers were considered fish for the purpose of fasting, and suffered a similar fate. Ever since rules were invented, people found a way around them. Doubly so if the rules are so horribly outdated they're nothing but a hindrance. In many cases, religious rules made sense back when they were invented (fasting, for example, made sense when food was scarce). Not so much nowadays, though.
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Post by: Flipside on May 20, 2013, 08:35:34 pm
Oddly enough, Beaver was rated as a fish, hence the famous QI question of 'Can the Pope eat Beaver?'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRbkKrQeuj8
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Post by: Flak on May 20, 2013, 10:43:36 pm
I just heard of something like that to be honest. I personally didn't know they don't eat meat on fridays and all, I think most, if not all Catholics in my area don't do such things. I am a Protestant myself so that is never an issue for me, I eat meat almost every day.

As much as I know, whether you eat eggs and milk products (and fish in that case) just depends on how vegetarian you wish to be, and to some extent also if it is religious related or not. Vegans on the other hand, that is a lot different story.
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Post by: Dragon on May 21, 2013, 04:21:11 am
The truth is, almost nobody does it these days. Fasting is one of less convenient customs and tends to be the first one people forget about. Aside from a few extremely devoted Catholics and clergy, nobody cares.

Regarding vegetarians, I think that the reason they're OK with eggs and cheese is that making them doesn't really harm animals. Milking a cow or taking eggs from a hen isn't a huge problem for either. As for the fish, I honestly don't know why they're generally omitted from "meat" category. Maybe it's the fact they look much less "relateable" than land animals (notice how, for example, they're treated in "funny animal" cartoons. Either it's all "funny fish/sea life" or fish are drawn realistically can't talk and are eaten normally). Usually, a hamster is a pet, a fish bowl is furniture, with children being the only ones to care about the latter. I noticed this is a general trend.
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Post by: karajorma on May 21, 2013, 05:36:57 am
Kind of a weird tangent we're on here

I kinda expected this topic to be about lions in suicide belts by the time I came back to it.

Kinda nice to see HLP can still surprise me. :p
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Post by: redsniper on May 21, 2013, 08:39:48 am
lions in suicide belts

Link plz.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 21, 2013, 09:11:40 am
here you go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-SrlQ9tlI)
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Post by: The E on May 21, 2013, 02:50:46 pm
I've split out the weird flower talk. Carry on.
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Post by: Al-Rik on May 21, 2013, 03:41:16 pm
The truth is, almost nobody does it these days. Fasting is one of less convenient customs and tends to be the first one people forget about. Aside from a few extremely devoted Catholics and clergy, nobody cares.
Even the Catholics don't care, because they invented Ravioli and  Maultaschen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maultasche

If the meat is minced small enough and camouflaged with pasta it doesn't count any more ;)
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Post by: Beskargam on May 21, 2013, 04:29:05 pm
Either it's all "funny fish/sea life" or fish are drawn realistically can't talk and are eaten normally). Usually, a hamster is a pet, a fish bowl is furniture, with children being the only ones to care about the latter. I noticed this is a general trend.

IIRC what I was taught in catholic high school, was that meat, particularly red meat, was  less common in the lower classes. Fish on the other hand, was pretty much a staple of a lot of diets for those who had less. The idea was that giving up "meat" was actually a sacrifice and you were giving up a luxury item if you were rich, or a a rare treat if you were  not. Fish was not considered part of this because a lot of people survived on it.

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Post by: Sandwich on May 21, 2013, 09:10:35 pm
In modern Judaism, meat and dairy aren't eaten together. However, fish can be served in a dairy restaurant. The reasoning, AFAIK, is because nobody is going to mistake the (appearance? taste?) of fish for red meat. Why's that matter? It all ties back to the (decidedly odd) way the rabbis understand the verse that says "Don't boil a kid (as in baby goat, not as in child) is its mother's milk.". That's where the whole separation of meat and dairy comes from (don't ask). :rolleyes:
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Post by: Black Wolf on May 21, 2013, 09:29:25 pm
Yeah. Because that specific part of Judeo-Christian tradition is just totally ridiculous compared to the good common sense of the rest of it. :p
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Post by: karajorma on May 21, 2013, 09:34:30 pm
I always find the lengths some people will go to in order to stick to the word of the law. The various workarounds for observing the Sabbath generally go from Heath Robinson to full blown Rube-Goldberg in their execution.
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Post by: Dragon on May 22, 2013, 06:06:22 am
In modern Judaism, meat and dairy aren't eaten together. However, fish can be served in a dairy restaurant. The reasoning, AFAIK, is because nobody is going to mistake the (appearance? taste?) of fish for red meat. Why's that matter? It all ties back to the (decidedly odd) way the rabbis understand the verse that says "Don't boil a kid (as in baby goat, not as in child) is its mother's milk.". That's where the whole separation of meat and dairy comes from (don't ask). :rolleyes:
Well, that's not much of a restriction, actually. I also don't drink milk with meat unless there's nothing else to drink, simply because they don't go well together. There probably are dishes that combine the two, but I've yet to come across one. The idea of red meat+dairy strikes me as odd.
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Post by: Wobble73 on May 22, 2013, 06:27:12 am
In modern Judaism, meat and dairy aren't eaten together. However, fish can be served in a dairy restaurant. The reasoning, AFAIK, is because nobody is going to mistake the (appearance? taste?) of fish for red meat. Why's that matter? It all ties back to the (decidedly odd) way the rabbis understand the verse that says "Don't boil a kid (as in baby goat, not as in child) is its mother's milk.". That's where the whole separation of meat and dairy comes from (don't ask). :rolleyes:
Well, that's not much of a restriction, actually. I also don't drink milk with meat unless there's nothing else to drink, simply because they don't go well together. There probably are dishes that combine the two, but I've yet to come across one. The idea of red meat+dairy strikes me as odd.

Have you never had a Cheeseburger???   :wtf:
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Post by: Dragon on May 22, 2013, 06:48:30 am
Ah, this. McDonald's meals aren't exactly gourmet food, so I never thought of it that way. :) I only eat fast foods when I just need something to fill my stomach when I'm short on time. Not that McDonald's cheese has much to do with dairy anyway. I've once looked on the bottom of a frozen pizza (not McDonald's though) and saw "cheese analogue" in the ingredients list (needless to say, I've stopped buying that particular brand of pizza after that). I wouldn't be surprised of cheeseburgers used something similar. Along with a meat analogue. :)
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Post by: Wobble73 on May 22, 2013, 07:01:21 am
Other restaurants make cheeseburgers too you know? Many with better ingredients, and real cheese. A local cafe to me makes a great Bacon Cheeseburger with real cheddar cheese! And it doesn't have to be gourmet to taste good!
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Post by: Black Wolf on May 22, 2013, 07:04:01 am
Ah, this. McDonald's meals aren't exactly gourmet food, so I never thought of it that way. :) I only eat fast foods when I just need something to fill my stomach when I'm short on time. Not that McDonald's cheese has much to do with dairy anyway. I've once looked on the bottom of a frozen pizza (not McDonald's though) and saw "cheese analogue" in the ingredients list (needless to say, I've stopped buying that particular brand of pizza after that). I wouldn't be surprised of cheeseburgers used something similar. Along with a meat analogue. :)

It's not just burgers. Any meat/cheese combo is out - no cheese on your ham and cheese sandwich (or beef and cheese I suppose). Also. any creamy casserole type dish that uses cream or milk... or any kind of sauce that uses cream (which is more common than you might think). Want mashed spuds with your steak? Nope, no milk allowed. Nice creamy goat curry? Nope. Minted yoghurt on your Moroccan lamb? Nope. Lovely bit of gamey meat like Kangaroo or Venison with a chocolate jus? Nope. Bit of feta and olives and chorizo on the table at a party? Nope.

It's a silly, silly restriction.
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Post by: Ghostavo on May 22, 2013, 07:35:12 am
No fondue? That's heresy!
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Post by: karajorma on May 22, 2013, 07:39:16 am
It's worse than that. They have declared Flying Spaghetti Monster unclean if he is seasoned with holy Parmesan. :p
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Post by: Flipside on May 22, 2013, 08:16:50 am
Call the Pastor of Pasta!!
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Post by: Sandwich on May 22, 2013, 05:04:39 pm
Lasagna, meatballs & spaghetti (w/ parmesean), tacos.. all not rabbinically kosher. :rolleyes: