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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: The E on June 12, 2013, 01:57:40 am
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Speaking of the disaster that was the Xbone, what the **** is wrong with you, Microsoft (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/)
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Speaking of the disaster that was the Xbone, what the **** is wrong with you, Microsoft (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/)
I saw this live and it was ****ing appalling
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Speaking of the disaster that was the Xbone, what the **** is wrong with you, Microsoft (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/)
So yeah would everyone who said gaming culture has no sexism problems like to revise their statements yet?
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Speaking of the disaster that was the Xbone, what the **** is wrong with you, Microsoft (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/)
I saw this live and it was ****ing appalling
Holy ****...
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Speaking of the disaster that was the Xbone, what the **** is wrong with you, Microsoft (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/)
So yeah would everyone who said gaming culture has no sexism problems like to revise their statements yet?
I'm going with no - they've shown themselves to be immune to evidence and reason thus far, I'm not optimistic more evidence is going to change their minds.
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Yeah, the comments section is just -
Typical confirmation bias. The thought of rape never occurred to me when I watched the event live. But guess who went and saw it that way? Yup feminists, looking for controversy where none exists.
This article holds a good candle up to how hysterical many feminists are. It's as though they're wearing goggles looking for anything that can be remotely interpreted as "rape".
Please just listen to yourselves. He said that he was going to beat her at the fighting game quickly. He said that she liked using that particular move.
What are you people doing?
Here's the link to the full video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ). What has been trimmed from the video above is her initial comment about having to play against one of the game producers who has clearly had much more practice. The subsequent comment was "wow, you like those" referring to some fireballs he was shooting at her, not "wow, you like this". Her "I don't like this" is clearly a complaint about getting her ass handed to her on stage and not part of some psuedo rape dialog.
What we have here is a classic example of confirmation bias. The author expects to see rape culture everywhere and so finds and reinterprets examples of otherwise innocent behavior that confirm that expectation.
Biggest crock I've ever read. So whenever I'm completely dominating my female friends in a video game, I'm actually raping them? Wow, I'm such a rape apologist!
Nerds have been ignored and mocked by women their whole lives. No one can honestly be surprised when they don't know how to behave around them.
Had it been a woman winning and she makes some comment questioning her male opponent's manhood, there would have been no controversy and no media sound bite. Women can dish it out but can't take it.
and then im amazed how much crap people have in their heads. always look for the "sex" part in everything even when there isnt any like in this case.
you really need help, mrs writer of this sensationalist article.
it was a fighting game... just that. when you are in a fighting game especially when you know the other person, you will make jokes when you are winning, (because obviously this wasn't a multiplayer trashtalk like happens always, since they knew each other) again, get help, and everyone who got this as a rape joke. something in your brain isn't right if you only see BS and crap around the world whenever people talk. not everything is about sex or rape or pervert stuff... stop looking stuff like that where there isn't.
l o l
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EDIT: scratch that, I get it now from reading up the thread.
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I have to say I agree with the general sentiment of the comments Battuta posted.
Please leave me alone.
However, this guy is a moron. Instead of acting like some big badass for beating up an overmatched opponent, he should be trying to put over the game if he's the producer. He should be talking about the game, not trash. He's a fool.
I don't talk trash when I play games.
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I have to say I agree with the general sentiment of the comments Battuta posted.
Please leave me alone.
However, this guy is a moron. Instead of acting like some big badass for beating up an overmatched opponent, he should be trying to put over the game if he's the producer. He should be talking about the game, not trash. He's a fool.
I don't talk trash when I play games.
So you not being offended by rape jokes makes it morally A-OK to offend other people with rape jokes? How does that even begin to make sense?
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I don't think it was a rape joke. Just inane trash talk. At worst, this guy's a jerk.
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Somehow I'm not surprised Lorric thinks it's a good idea to put a woman on stage at the industry's biggest event, script her as being terrible at video games, have her male competitor joke about raping her, and write any objections off as 'oversensitivity'. It fits with the general gamer sentiment that video games are for men and women need to be sent messages that they should stay out.
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It was indisputably a rape joke. The things he said are the most archetypical and recognizable words a rapist utters to a victim.
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I have to say I agree with the general sentiment of the comments Battuta posted.
So you agree that there's nothing at all wrong with reenacting dialogue from thousands of actual rape crimes in history in order to promote a game? That there's nothing at all wrong with a representative of a big company being completely oblivious to the statements he is making while on stage in front of an audience of millions?
I don't think it was a rape joke. Just inane trash talk. At worst, this guy's a jerk.
Why do you think this? Why are you so resistant to the idea that there is more than the simple, direct context in which a statement can be interpreted?
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Somehow I'm not surprised Lorric thinks it's a good idea to put a woman on stage at the industry's biggest event, script her as being terrible at video games, have her male competitor joke about raping her, and write any objections off as 'oversensitivity'. It fits with the general gamer sentiment that video games are for men and women need to be sent messages that they should stay out.
Here we go again. I don't think or agree with any of this.
I have to go now, my tea needs to come out of the oven.
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You may not think or agree with any of it, but whether you realize it or not, it is the position you're defending.
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"Just let it happen. It will be over soon."
This can easily be interpreted as taunting about killing the opponent quickly. Its quite a stretch to see any rape in this sentence, or anything wrong.
"Wow, you like those,"
I am not sure what he is referring to here, since the video is stuck in that segment for me. It may be a comment similar to those who refer to rape victim secretly liking the rape or abuse. Or something different and innocent.
I will reserve my outrage until it is clear that this was a rape joke, so far it is unclear.
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The woeful inability of you (and by that I mean the whole trio) to judge me and my motivations time and time again gives me zero confidence in your ability to judge others and theirs.
Look at Polpolion, ask me questions, instead of making judgements.
Your minds just cannot seem to comprehend that if someone disagrees with you that it can be for a different reason to that person being a sexist. You're always looking for sexism, so you think you keep finding it in places it is not there.
Alright, let's have a go at this...
I have to say I agree with the general sentiment of the comments Battuta posted.
So you agree that there's nothing at all wrong with reenacting dialogue from thousands of actual rape crimes in history in order to promote a game? That there's nothing at all wrong with a representative of a big company being completely oblivious to the statements he is making while on stage in front of an audience of millions?
I don't think it was a rape joke. Just inane trash talk. At worst, this guy's a jerk.
Why do you think this? Why are you so resistant to the idea that there is more than the simple, direct context in which a statement can be interpreted?
So for the first part, let's paint a little picture. A male and a female are playing a FPS. One on one deathmatch. The female is lying in ambush, but the male doesn't fall for her trap and flushes her out and shoots her up a bit. She retreats. The male says something like "Get back here, I'm not finshed with you yet!" Would you say that was something to do with rape because a rapist might say that to a fleeing victim? I'd say no. It's just a throwaway line.
The only thing I would condemn him for is coming across as a jerk and doing a poor job of promoting the product.
If you could liken that and what was in the video to anything, I'd say the mentality of hunter and prey rather than rapist and victim. But I think it's just inane trash talk.
Second point, simply why do you always think there always have to be wheels within wheels with everything? Why can't it be simple and direct? I think it's just inane trash talk and nothing more.
"Just let it happen. It will be over soon."
This can easily be interpreted as taunting about killing the opponent quickly. Its quite a stretch to see any rape in this sentence, or anything wrong.
"Wow, you like those,"
I am not sure what he is referring to here, since the video is stuck in that segment for me. It may be a comment similar to those who refer to rape victim secretly liking the rape or abuse. Or something different and innocent.
I will reserve my outrage until it is clear that this was a rape joke, so far it is unclear.
Yes.
That second point he's pumping fireballs and she's just walking into them, which is why he's saying it imo.
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"Just let it happen. It will be over soon."
This can easily be interpreted as taunting about killing the opponent quickly. Its quite a stretch to see any rape in this sentence, or anything wrong.
Rape is not only not a stretch, it is the very first thing associated with this phrase. This is one of the archetypical phrases reported by rape survivors.
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"Just let it happen. It will be over soon."
This can easily be interpreted as taunting about killing the opponent quickly. Its quite a stretch to see any rape in this sentence, or anything wrong.
Rape is not only not a stretch, it is the very first thing associated with this phrase. This is one of the archetypical phrases reported by rape survivors.
So that means we can't use it for other things, such as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgCQMeUjDQ
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This isn't some random multiplayer trash talk over the interwebs, this was scripted event put on by Microsoft. This skit or whatever you want to call it was something that was written up specifically to convey a message by a marketing team. It doesn't fall under the "Broseph didn't really mean it, he just likes his Halos." excuse. Don't even bother trying.
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You should be able to answer your own question without any great effort, using things we've already told you. Here is a big hint!
context matters
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This isn't some random multiplayer trash talk over the interwebs, this was scripted event put on by Microsoft. This skit or whatever you want to call it was something that was written up specifically to convey a message by a marketing team. It doesn't fall under the "Broseph didn't really mean it, he just likes his Halos." excuse. Don't even bother trying.
The fight was unscripted.
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You should be able to answer your own question without any great effort, using things we've already told you. Here is a big hint!
context matters
:rolleyes:
In other words it only applies when you say it does.
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Hahaha you think they actually are presenting an unrehearsed skit?
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You should be able to answer your own question without any great effort, using things we've already told you. Here is a big hint!
context matters
:rolleyes:
In other words it only applies when you say it does.
No. Try again. How do we know what a sentence means in language? Why does the phrase '**** yourself and die' make us laugh sometimes, and angry at other times?
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Battuta, I think we're done here.
Hahaha you think they actually are presenting an unrehearsed skit?
Yes. Natural gameplay would be more effective. They were more interested in putting over the auto-replay thing anyway.
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Can you see why a phrase would make us afraid in one context (uttered in a dark alley) and seem completely routine in another context (in the dentist's office)?
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Rape is not only not a stretch, it is the very first thing associated with this phrase. This is one of the archetypical phrases reported by rape survivors.
See, I did not even know there was any such strong association (if there even is). So maybe I am an big anomaly. Or it is not true and this phrase is strongly associated with rape maybe in feminist and rape survivor circles, while not being so in general.
context matters
Uhm, you do realize this was a gaming multiplayer fight? I think context points to this phrase being a part of game-related taunting, not rape or sexims, if anything.
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The woeful inability of you (and by that I mean the whole trio) to judge me and my motivations time and time again gives me zero confidence in your ability to judge others and theirs.
Look at Polpolion, ask me questions, instead of making judgements.
Wait, am I supposed to judge you or ask you questions? I did ask you questions, and you're refusing to answer them. I can only conclude that you're an insensitive prick. Not associating the joke with rape or not being offended by it doesn't make you sexist or an asshat per se, but insisting that it can't be interpreted in that way can, which is tacitly what you're doing. Obviously you can argue that it's not something that would typically be associated with rape (for example, GLSL isn't typically construed as a rape joke), but you seem to be having a bit of a tiff with Battuta about that now. Suffice to say, you've never been raped. At least you're not arguing that it wouldn't be that bad if you were. :p
Your minds just cannot seem to comprehend that if someone disagrees with you that it can be for a different reason to that person being a sexist. You're always looking for sexism, so you think you keep finding it in places it is not there.
Also I want to take this time to point out that rape isn't wholly a female thing. Plenty of men get raped/sexually assaulted/sexually harassed too, but statistically it's skewed so much more in the female direction. So just keep that in mind.
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This is a major industry presentation that is a keystone in their marketing program to launch an important piece of hardware. Everything has been practiced before hand, its very likely been crafted by a marketing team. Big firms like Microsoft do not run these things like some off the cuff variety show.
You think official presentations for SharePoint, Visual Studio or the latest version of Windows are done completely extemporaneously? Is it not obvious to you that this presentation was a skit with a theme?
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See, I did not even know there was any such strong association (if there even is). So maybe I am an big anomaly. Or it is not true and this phrase is strongly associated with rape maybe in feminist and rape survivor circles, while not being so in general.
Going with conservative numbers, 25% of college age women are rape survivors, so these are not small circles.
Uhm, you do realize this was a gaming multiplayer fight? I think context points to this phrase being a part of game-related taunting, not rape or sexims, if anything.
This is exactly why the context points to this being a rape joke. Have you used voice chat in a competitive multiplayer game recently? If you have, wait until a female player logs on. Observe.
More than that, the power dynamic of the situation is already charged - the fight is scripted so that the male presenter dominates the female presenter, who is bad at the game and (lol) lacks a Fight Stick (hahahahaha). Trash talk in this situation is going to draw on that context, in much the same way that any piece of communication draws on context.
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The woeful inability of you (and by that I mean the whole trio) to judge me and my motivations time and time again gives me zero confidence in your ability to judge others and theirs.
Look at Polpolion, ask me questions, instead of making judgements.
Wait, am I supposed to judge you or ask you questions? I did ask you questions, and you're refusing to answer them. I can only conclude that you're an insensitive prick. Not associating the joke with rape or not being offended by it doesn't make you sexist or an asshat per se, but insisting that it can't be interpreted in that way can, which is tacitly what you're doing. Obviously you can argue that it's not something that would typically be associated with rape (for example, GLSL isn't typically construed as a rape joke), but you seem to be having a bit of a tiff with Battuta about that now. Suffice to say, you've never been raped. At least you're not arguing that it wouldn't be that bad if you were. :p
Your minds just cannot seem to comprehend that if someone disagrees with you that it can be for a different reason to that person being a sexist. You're always looking for sexism, so you think you keep finding it in places it is not there.
Also I want to take this time to point out that rape isn't wholly a female thing. Plenty of men get raped/sexually assaulted/sexually harassed too, but statistically it's skewed so much more in the female direction. So just keep that in mind.
Huh? I answered you. I told you I didn't think it was a rape joke. Oh, and if you're wondering, if I thought it was, I would join you in condemning it. If I happened to be in the company of someone who had had that line uttered to them by a rapist, I wouldn't use it.
I was saying you asked me a question, rather than going and assuming stuff about me like Battuta did. I was saying a good thing about you. Maybe you could have gone and assumed I thought it was a rape joke and thought it was alright, but you didn't, you asked.
Yes, I am aware of the fact males can be raped too. I had plenty of outrage about that mocked male victim a while back.
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This is a major industry presentation that is a keystone in their marketing program to launch an important piece of hardware. Everything has been practiced before hand, its very likely been crafted by a marketing team. Big firms like Microsoft do not run these things like some off the cuff variety show.
You think official presentations for SharePoint, Visual Studio or the latest version of Windows are done completely extemporaneously? Is it not obvious to you that this presentation was a skit with a theme?
I wouldn't know about the examples you've mentioned. I've never seen one.
It says in the article that all this is derived from that Microsoft say it was unscripted. But even if I hadn't seen that, I would have thought it was unscripted. Unscripted behaviour can be a useful tool, if you've got someone comfortable with taking the stage and just reacting to the audience. I just think the fight itself was unscripted. The players in the game were scripted. What happened after was scripted. But I believe they just went at it in the fight.
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Aaaand another feminism topic killed.
Looking forward to the next one, where we will see this exact same discussion again.
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You continue to insist that people are making assumptions about you when one of your first acts on this website was to write out and illustrate a rape fantasy.
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Right. Because you two are being oh so adult in handling the situation with any sort of grace.