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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Drogoth on July 20, 2013, 02:43:11 pm
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http://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2013/07/20/report-supermanbatman-movie-planned
Is anyone else sad about this? Or was I the only one that hated Man of Steel?
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You aren't the only one (http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-man-of-steel/).
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Hmmm, you can't post just a Youtube link and no text.
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Oh, there's two of them!
Superman's a dick, huh? :lol:
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I liked Man of Steel. It wasn't any worse than the Batman flicks or Iron Man 3 for example.
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I see someone's never heard of Injustice.
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Or was I the only one that hated Man of Steel?
Not everyone can appreciate they finally made a superhero fight look like a superhero fight, I guess.
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But really at this moment the only crossover I'm interested in is watching Gipsy Danger punch out an Evangelion and the announcement that this what Rebuild Final will be about.
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Yey. So psyched. (snore)
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Superman movies suck because there isn't anything interesting about Superman. He's a very boring, flawless, nearly invincible character. This might be workable if he had any interesting opponents, but nope, he doesn't have that either.
Hell, Michael Bay's Transformers movies had more interesting characters.
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Superman movies suck because there isn't anything interesting about Superman. He's a very boring, flawless, nearly invincible character. This might be workable if he had any interesting opponents, but nope, he doesn't have that either.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jFCR9oUJSl0/Tqb-WH5VuHI/AAAAAAAABNw/iw0MqwhUjms/s320/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg)
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Superman movies suck because there isn't anything interesting about Superman. He's a very boring, flawless, nearly invincible character. This might be workable if he had any interesting opponents, but nope, he doesn't have that either.
Every time I hear this, I sincerely wonder if people have ever actually read/watched Superman media or simply formed their opinion of the character through hearsay and a couple of comic panels.
Yes, he's an ideal, and in the struggle between the ideal and the reality (of the man, the world, and the art of storytelling) there is much good work that can be and has been done. Or I dunno, maybe people are secretly cynical pricks and they fear anything affirmational.
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Or was I the only one that hated Man of Steel?
Not everyone can appreciate they finally made a superhero fight look like a superhero fight, I guess.
Boring?
But no, the fight scenes were impressive. Except that there were too many of them. It got really boring and repetitive and most of the clashes didn't feel like there was anything at stake. They didn't finish establishing the character at all. Everything prior to finding the ship in ice was excellent (except for the krypton scenes but whatever) and then the movie took a SUPER (pun definitely intended) plunge off the deep end.
There was no emotional build up to killing zod for example.
My reaction was just kinda like. Uh. K.
I mean, I personally know that superman doesn't kill. That's like his thing. But it wasn't established in the film that he would never kill someone, even to save others. And when you're busy disavowing yourself of all the past canon (which is what a reboot does) you don't get to set scenes up that depend on previously established canon. That was one of the many problems with this film. The action was visually impressive but repetitive and the story was well. Bad. The dialogue was laugh out loud bad, and the characters were well. Bad.
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And when you're busy disavowing yourself of all the past canon (which is what a reboot does) you don't get to set scenes up that depend on previously established canon.
A reboot is not a disavowal; it is a recreation. It is not a telling, it is a retelling, as you might notice from the name being "reboot" rather than "boot". That you chose to approach it as being completely new and unrelated to all other Superman stories betrays a fundamental misunderstanding that it's still a Superman story, and that carries with it certain expectations.
Or hey I guess we could have BSG without Adama or Cylons, right? It's a disavowal of all previous canon! (Hint: No we can't.)
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Superman movies suck because there isn't anything interesting about Superman. He's a very boring, flawless, nearly invincible character. This might be workable if he had any interesting opponents, but nope, he doesn't have that either.
An excellent article on the subject (written before the release of Man of Steel): http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-its-so-hard-to-make-superman-interesting/
I didn't read the article in the first post, is this Nolan Trilogy Batman or new reboot Batman?
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Nolan trilogy is standalone. The new Batman wont be Bale, wont be directed by Nolan (although I think he'll have a producer credit) - it'll be a completely new continuity.
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Superman movies suck because there isn't anything interesting about Superman. He's a very boring, flawless, nearly invincible character. This might be workable if he had any interesting opponents, but nope, he doesn't have that either.
An excellent article on the subject (written before the release of Man of Steel): http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-its-so-hard-to-make-superman-interesting/
I really like the plan they had for a Superman film. I'd just be happy with him finishing a movie in a comparable state to Bruce Willis at the end of a Die Hard.
Could you imagine seeing something like a frantic, frenzied, exhausted Superman, pushed to his very limits, arriving just too late to save a little girl and screaming in anguish that he couldn't get there in time?
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I just find superman the laziest idea for a superhero ever, and because of that, I can't find him interesting no matter how many movies or angsty teen dramadies you make out of him.
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Superman movies suck because there isn't anything interesting about Superman. He's a very boring, flawless, nearly invincible character. This might be workable if he had any interesting opponents, but nope, he doesn't have that either.
Every time I hear this, I sincerely wonder if people have ever actually read/watched Superman media or simply formed their opinion of the character through hearsay and a couple of comic panels.
Yes, he's an ideal, and in the struggle between the ideal and the reality (of the man, the world, and the art of storytelling) there is much good work that can be and has been done. Or I dunno, maybe people are secretly cynical pricks and they fear anything affirmational.
There are amazing superman comics out there. From Red Son to Secret Identity to ... I mean, if you even wanted a damn good superman & batman flick why not go the Frank Miller route all the way and give us a superman versus batman flick? Now that would not be boring. Unless it was made just like alien vs predator...
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The thing about Superman is that sometimes he's vulnerable to magic, but not all the time.
It's a problem with both Marvel and DC that continuity is completely optional. It's been well known for ages, but I used to still enjoy the stories back in the Secret Wars stories etc, but so much is handwaved away from one story to the next that they cease to be enjoyable.
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I'd be much more interested in the mainstream Marvel/DC heroes if every decade or so, they just made a fresh start and let the storylines evolve from there. Keep the core components of each character, but eliminate all of the ridiculous baggage that they keep generating Crises to try and maintain.
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It could certainly do with it, though they try from time to time with things like Onslaught or House of M, but it never quite seems to work out.
Now, obviously, a certain suspension of disbelief is needed for comic books, but when it gets to the point where nothing is set in stone for these characters, it sort of destroys the point. Whenever you are told something definite about a character, you know full well it is only definite until it is no longer needed by the Great God Plot Device. Jean Grey/Phoenix is a classic example of this, a character that they keep killing, but can't quite bring themselves to remove her entirely for fear of impacting the X-Men franchise too heavily, so she's kept loitering in the wings.
When it gets to the point when even the characters in the books themselves treat the death of team-mates as a kind of penalty box, where people go for a few issues before it emerging they didn't die for whatever reason, the story loses any real dramatic impact.
I understand these are just modern 're-imaginings' of classic Greek/Nordic mythology, but Orpheus can only travel down the Styx so many times before it gets repetitive.