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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: morris13 on June 28, 2001, 01:54:00 pm
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So I'm poking through the ships .tbl and i'm looking at the mentu thinking hrm... 60khp, thats a lot more than any terran cruisers have, almost as much as a lillith. However, for some bizarre reason despite its tech description which describes how the Mentu was specifically built to mount beam cannons, it doesnt. Instead of the "heavy beam cannons" the tech database describes, it only has a pair of Terran Huge Turrets. Did they have beam cannons installed in the mission files in the main campaign? this seems like a mistake to me =P
On the other hand the Mentu has REALLY CRUMMY turret placement. out of its four large turrets three are on the belly and the one on top faces backward, so none of them can actually fire directly ahead.
[This message has been edited by morris13 (edited 06-28-2001).]
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Don't remember if it used beams really...
If you fitted beam weapons on it's belly and upgraded the reactor / jump drive, it would be ideal for Guerilla attacks. I.e. it could jump in, fly across a large ship / ships firing the 'belly beams' (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) , then jump out quickly. something I've wanted to use in amission for a while.
also, on the same subject, if you look at the info on the Colossus, they have a list of the previously intended weaponry (an extra 20-odd turrets), with a lot more AAf, etc. That would have been a hell of a ship if they'd used them in the final verison - wonder why not?
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[This message has been edited by aldo_14 (edited 06-28-2001).]
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Originally posted by morris13:
Did they have beam cannons installed in the mission files in the main campaign?
Nope, they didn't. It's easy to check out things like this, just use TextPad ("http://www.textpad.com/"). It searches through multiple files in multiple directories and shows the results in a hyperlinked page that links back to the files... it's a good proggie for finding how many such-and-such were in the campaign, where and when, etc etc etc...
EDIT: URL mistake...
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[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 06-28-2001).]
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Wow, the poor Mentu needs an upgrade then. =)
What do you think? SVas or Vslash?
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I made a special beam for it, so it's not overpoweringly overgunned for a cruiser.
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Originally posted by morris13:
Wow, the poor Mentu needs an upgrade then. =)
What do you think? SVas or Vslash?
SVas, definetly. But then again I hate slashers... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I like slashers... well... most of them... not the ones on the Coll...
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Terran slashers are very underpowered compared to the Vasudan ones.
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
Terran slashers are very underpowered compared to the Vasudan ones.
Heh. more about slash beams here: http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum2/HTML/000387.html ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum2/HTML/000387.html")
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
Terran slashers are very underpowered compared to the Vasudan ones.
That's true with most things, not only weapons... The vasudans have superior ships, but have fewer of them... (note, mentu, and aten do not count)
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Originally posted by Snipes:
That's true with most things, not only weapons... The vasudans have superior ships, but have fewer of them... (note, mentu, and aten do not count)
Shame that almost all of their fighters are Great War relics and totally useless (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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Tauret anyone?
for the Mentu: I change turrets 6 and 7 into SVas, and 14, 15, and 16 into standard flak.
This makes the cruiser much more powerful in my opinion.
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Originally posted by aldo_14:
Shame that almost all of their fighters are Great War relics and totally useless (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif)
Watch what you say! Blasphomer(sp?)!! The Seth, and Horus are excellent fighters. I prefer them to the newer ones... And the Osiris only needs turret upgrades. Give it AAAf or Flak, and it is a worthy opponent to any enemy.
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Don't make me come over there Snipes!! (j/k)
Sure they have great maneuverability, but where's the armour? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)
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If you are a good pilot, you don't need heavy heavy armor. The Seth is my ship of choice. Always has been, Always will be. Wheres the armour on the Serapis? It sux... I can kill them in 3 shots of a mekhu.
so (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)
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Originally posted by Snipes:
If you are a good pilot, you don't need heavy heavy armor. The Seth is my ship of choice. Always has been, Always will be. Wheres the armour on the Serapis? It sux... I can kill them in 3 shots of a mekhu.
so (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)
Yeah, but I'm a (censored) pilot and prefer Terran fighters anyway. So (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/ninja.gif) that (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif).
i liked the Vasudan ships maneuverability on the easy levels, but the Shivans are pretty useless on those.
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haha! I prefer Vasudan. Everything Vasudan...
You know... Vasudans Are Superior...
When is Steak gonna make a Vasudan Pride render? If he does, then I will change my wallpaper from that l4m3 shivan attack one
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I'm a crappy pilot, so for me, vasudan ships aren't the best. I loved my herc1 (then tried PXO and discovered that the herc was doomed, there). then I tried the seth. Yeah true, it's better for mplayer. But I'm just too bad (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
I prefer to make ships than fly them lol (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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What are you talking about. The Vasudans don't suk (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif). The Herc 2 is crap compared to the Tauret! The Vasudan beams chare quicklier and are more powerful than the Terran ones. The Vasudans are the supreme rulers in fighters :hammer (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)escept for the Horus)
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Except the Terran Mara r00lz you all
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Originally posted by GrandAdmiralAbaht:
(escept for the Horus)
Whaddya mean? The Horus is the Terror of the Empty Spaces between the Stars! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Personally, my fighter preference is not divided between Terran and Vasudan. It's a division of where the primary hardpoints are located. For example, Chasing a Herc 1 in a Tauret; the primary weapon fire is so spread out to port and starboard on that fighter that unless I perfectly align my ship to have the same "up" as the Herc, even when I hit, it's only with half of my lasers. On the Erinyes, however, the primaries are bunched close together and usually can all hit the target at once. IMHO that is also why the Erinyes is such a powerful fighter - it can make effective use of it's 8 primaries at once. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
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Originally posted by morris13:
Instead of the "heavy beam cannons" the tech database describes, it only has a pair of Terran Huge Turrets.
The tech database is bollocks. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) It's been discussed a few times, but the Mjolnir RBC is said to have missile banks 'able to tackle multiple bogies concurrently' - or something like that. And it has nothing like that, making the things sitting ducks against fighter/bomber wings - however, that's where the GTSG Dante comes in. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Bombers hell. mjolnirs are sitting ducks against LOKIS.
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What did I say about Lokis?!
Do not underestimate a Loki. In the hands of a skilled pilot, the Loki is very deadly.
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Maybe so, but any pilot who can be deadly in a Loki can be more deadly in something with MORE FREAKING GUNS! =P
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Originally posted by morris13:
Maybe so, but any pilot who can be deadly in a Loki can be more deadly in something with MORE FREAKING GUNS! =P
NOOOOoooooo......!!! Morris, what have you done?!? Now Snipes has the perfect oppourtunity to talk endlessly about his "modified Loki that works in multiplayer with 40 hardpoints"!!! AHHHhhhhh!!!! Run for your lives!!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Who wants to duel on PXO, I'll show anyone that the Herc2 ownz all...
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Herc II Sux... I'll kill you in my Loki!
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Ok, this belongs in HL, that's for sure.....