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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: JCDNWarrior on August 04, 2013, 06:40:07 am
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I'm curious to hear first (or if you know people there, second) accounts from people in Greece or have recently visited Greece in regards to what's happening over there. The reason is that I found a interesting interview with a Greek man that seems to suggest some pretty disheartening things are happening there as of late.
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1kgNbQsKuYU)
I hope things are better in Greece than is suggested in this interview and in other news items that have been published about it's troubles throughout the past years.
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Embedded it for you:
Pretty interesting video, though I didn't finish it. He comes across as pretty reasonable for the first half (or 1/3) of the video, but I stopped watching after that. After that he starts talking about how the government is using chemtrails and poisoning the water supply to keep the people docile.
For those who didn't watch it, I'll try to sum it up based on the first 10 minutes or so that I saw:
-Immigrants from the Middle-East are flooding the country, though he says that this isn't a bad thing.
-Many immigrants, from both the Middle East and Europe alike, have brought a great deal of gang violence to Greece.
-Other European countries refuse to allow the immigrants into their countries.
-Some political parties, such as Golden Dawn, are trying to blame all immigrants for the violence, when only some of them are the problem (according to the interviewee).
-Greece's strict gun and self-defense laws make it difficult for families to defend themselves against gangs.
-The United Nations may intervene under Agenda 21 to bring "stability" to Greece.
-The government is trying to keep the population docile by using chemicals, spread through both the water supply and chemtrails.
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Well there you go. I hope everyone's learnt by now to ignore anything Nakura says about international affairs.
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-1/10.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Edit for clarification: video itself is the poor trolling attempt.
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Well there you go. I hope everyone's learnt by now to ignore anything Nakura says about international affairs.
Let me guess, you didn't watch the video and are assuming that I put a twist on what the Greek man said to further my own agenda? Wrong. Actually watch the video, he argues that Greece needs more lenient gun and self-defense laws, castle doctrine in particular.
This has nothing to do with my personal views, I was merely relaying what was said in the video. Try watching the video next time.
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Just because you can find people on the internet that use the same talking points you do does not mean we're any more likely to give them credence. Your obsession with those points is painfully obvious.
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Just because you can find people on the internet that use the same talking points you do does not mean we're any more likely to give them credence. Your obsession with those points is painfully obvious.
I admit that I agree with his assessment in that regard, but that is irrelevant. I merely outlined what the man said in the video, which is relevant to this thread.
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-The government is trying to keep the population docile by using chemicals, spread through both the water supply and chemtrails.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*ahem*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*cough*
Glad that part made it into your summary, it immediately vanquished any tiny amount of inclination I had to watch the video. Chemtrails indeed. *snort*
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Well, it's nice to see you two agree on something, since it stopped Nakura as well. :)
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Well, it's nice to see you two agree on something, since it stopped Nakura as well. :)
I suppose there's a first time for everything. :)
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Hopefully the first of many. :nod:
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Hopefully the first of many. :nod:
Hopefully.
Just curious, but are conspiracy theorists like this guy [in JCDNWarrior's video] common in Europe? I know they're very common here.
One of my close friends believes 9/11 was an inside job. Another friend's entire family (her included) believe that the Sandy Hook massacre never happened, or that if it did happen, then it was orchestrated by the government. At least three of my co-workers believe in the Illiminati. And almost all of my co-workers at my previous job (Walmart) were 9/11 "truthers."
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I cannot speak for other people's experiences, but I find them very rare in terms of Europe. Though obviously I would have limited experience outside of my country, the UK. I'm actually very surprised at the volume you describe.
EDIT: I have a friend in the US who believes 9/11 was an inside job. I don't, and we had long but friendly arguments about it.
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Just curious, but are conspiracy theorists like this guy [in JCDNWarrior's video] common in Europe? I know they're very common here.
One of my close friends believes 9/11 was an inside job. Another friend's entire family (her included) believe that the Sandy Hook massacre never happened, or that if it did happen, then it was orchestrated by the government. At least three of my co-workers believe in the Illiminati. And almost all of my co-workers at my previous job (Walmart) were 9/11 "truthers."
I can't speak for all of europe, of course, but I think the portion of the population inclined to go into conspiracytown is pretty much the same.
It's the narratives that differ, however. Less chemtrails and black helicopters and more evil spy service dealings by americans.
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To be fair, they might be on to something with the evil spy stuff.
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I still hold that the Kennedy assassination really ****ed up America when it came to conspiracy theories.
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Been bad even before the day that Lincoln fellow done got assassinated.
EDIT: Freemasons etc.
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Yeah but before Kennedy, no one put much stock in conspiracies. Kennedy was one of the first big, believable ones.
Even if you believe the official explanation, it's hard to deny that the stuff surrounding the assassination does a real good job of making it look like there was a conspiracy.
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Yes, and if we're not careful.... DEUS EX, WHERE EVERY CONSPIRACY IS TRUE!
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To be fair, they might be on to something with the evil spy stuff.
Some conspiracy theories do have some roots in facts. The governments really are doing a lot of things which aren't known to general public. For example, the first "Flying Saucer" stories were about American/Soviet secret spy/nuclear bomber aircraft. We now know that many of them were probably right, since there was a lot of this stuff (mostly experimental planes) flying around, this being Cold War afterall. Who know what we'll find out 50 years from now. Heck, even the recent Snowden's revelations have shown a lot of "government is watching us" theories to be true (though I guess many people suspected this anyway). Also, Lincoln's assassination was a conspiracy, just a small and poorly executed one.
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Yeah but before Kennedy, no one put much stock in conspiracies. Kennedy was one of the first big, believable ones.
The Freemasons stuff was probably more widely believed than the Kennedy assassination has ever been. Like, people get voted out of office and lynched on it.
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To say nothing of the various Jewish conspiracy theories.
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The hilarious thing about conspiracy theories in general is conspiracy theorists: if you can honestly believe that an organization as vast, mismanaged, and generally systemically incompetent as a federal government can successful maintain the operational security necessary to pull off even a moderate sized conspiracy - to say nothing of 9/11, chemtrails, Sandy Hook, etc etc and all the other bull**** various 'truthers' throw around - then I have some ocean front property for sale in Alberta for a steal of a deal. Just send me the cheque in advance.
PRISM, etc don't count. For one, that's not a conspiracy, its an operational program within the NSA subject to oversight - and it was blown open by a private contractor, of all things, just proving my above point.
Conspiracy theory is just the latest manifestation of a very old aspect of human psychology - the need to believe that there are things greater than our daily lives, and that these things are non-random and rationally operating. Basically, it's the notion that some people believe existence is supposed to be ordered and make sense, which makes them readily accepting of anything that organizes non-related events into connected patterns. And it routinely makes me mock them for it. I class people who believe in nefarious government motives for legislation (e.g. "they'll make a gun owners get licenses so they can track and then take away all the guns and then no one can rise up against the evil government") in pretty much the same category, because it's barely a trip, nevermind a short step, from that way of thinking into full-blown conspiracy lunacy.
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The hilarious thing about conspiracy theories in general is conspiracy theorists: if you can honestly believe that an organization as vast, mismanaged, and generally systemically incompetent as a federal government can successful maintain the operational security necessary to pull off even a moderate sized conspiracy - to say nothing of 9/11, chemtrails, Sandy Hook, etc etc and all the other bull**** various 'truthers' throw around - then I have some ocean front property for sale in Alberta for a steal of a deal. Just send me the cheque in advance.
PRISM, etc don't count. For one, that's not a conspiracy, its an operational program within the NSA subject to oversight - and it was blown open by a private contractor, of all things, just proving my above point.
Conspiracy theory is just the latest manifestation of a very old aspect of human psychology - the need to believe that there are things greater than our daily lives, and that these things are non-random and rationally operating. Basically, it's the notion that some people believe existence is supposed to be ordered and make sense, which makes them readily accepting of anything that organizes non-related events into connected patterns. And it routinely makes me mock them for it. I class people who believe in nefarious government motives for legislation (e.g. "they'll make a gun owners get licenses so they can track and then take away all the guns and then no one can rise up against the evil government") in pretty much the same category, because it's barely a trip, nevermind a short step, from that way of thinking into full-blown conspiracy lunacy.
That's actually an interesting look into the psychology of these people. What really strikes me as odd is when otherwise intelligent and rational thinking people believe in these kinds of things.
You can hardly class opposition to gun registry/licensing as a "conspiracy theory." All throughout history, registration has been a prelude to registration. And it can indeed happen here, since it has happened in first-world countries before, namely Australia and the United Kingdom.
It's more ridiculous to believe that these elitists don't have confiscation in mind. Especially when the people proposing the registration/licensing laws are the exact same people who just six months ago said they wanted to ban guns. Did they all suddenly have a change of heart in less than a year? Doubtful. Especially when these people live in the anti-gun echo chamber, where all they hear is this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process
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And this is relevant to the situation in Greece how?
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And this is relevant to the situation in Greece how?
Because Greece doesn't actually exist. It's all a conspiracy by the HUKAA (Hidden United Kingdom Australia Alliance) to enact stricter gun control laws.
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And this is relevant to the situation in Greece how?
As The_E says, I opened the thread with the question if any members of HLP currently live, have lived or know people who live/have lived in Greece and what they have noticed, heard, experienced.
The link I provided, on that note was to give an example of one account on what's happening so I wanted to hear from people I can more reasonably trust to give an honest opinion or description as at least in my region there's practically no information being given for a long time now through TV.
EDIT: A quick addition, I think next time I'm just going to type out the transcript of the parts that I felt should apply to the topic. Perhaps I should also use a better source next time but.. enough distractions from the topic.
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What it comes to points of Greece in that video, I'd say BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The only contact I have to Greece hasn't said much about problems, and when I inquiried about the riots in Athens, her reply was pretty much on the line that it happens almost every week. And she doesn't seem to be worried either.
I was in Greece in Autumn 2011, when there actually was a larger demonstration in Athens. However, this did not affect the air travel or the vacation areas at all. Haven't been there for two years, but I don't actually believe that things outlined in the link would be the Greece's biggest issue. They have other problems.
What it comes to gun registration leading to confiscation, the only relevant example of that is the era of communists rising to power - but they didn't leave it at guns, they took all your property.