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Title: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Dark Hunter on August 17, 2013, 12:00:21 am
Just saw Pacific Rim.

Story and writing were ****, but I didn't expect anything out of that anyway. Kaiju vs Giant Robots, **** YEAH! :D
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 17, 2013, 04:16:59 am
Spoiler:
It made no sense for the guy to survive at the end. That was probably just to please the audience. Presumably he'll end up dead in the director's cut.

GTFO.

Spoiler:
They'll kiss. They already did in the novelization, which is based on the final script. And I've seen copies of the first script, so I know he was always meant to survive.

Though personally I think them not kissing is actually kind of brilliant. They have Drifted, been in each other's heads. Compared to that, any physical expression of affection or intimacy is nothing.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Scotty on August 17, 2013, 02:06:28 pm
I saw it a few weeks ago. It dragged in ways that STID didn't, but overall it was a good time. I still don't understand why people couldn't have used cannons to shoot down the kaiju instead of relying on big, expensive robots, given how effective projectile-launching weapons are IRL. Firing cannons wouldn't make for a good movie, though, especially not one with the special effects budget this one must have had.

It took several days and nuclear weapons to kill the first and smallest kaiju.  Cannons just do not cut it.  That also has the rather nasty side effect of littering the ground for miles with pieces of dead kaiju, which quite effectively poisons everything it touches unless cleaned up immediately.  Cleaning it up immediately is impossible if it covers a dozen square miles.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Black Wolf on August 18, 2013, 06:09:38 am
I saw it a few weeks ago. It dragged in ways that STID didn't, but overall it was a good time. I still don't understand why people couldn't have used cannons to shoot down the kaiju instead of relying on big, expensive robots, given how effective projectile-launching weapons are IRL. Firing cannons wouldn't make for a good movie, though, especially not one with the special effects budget this one must have had.

I don't think there's much doubt that, in the real world, a combination of conventional air power, saturation missile fire (from guided missile frigates or whatever) and specially designed artillery could bring down a Kaiju pretty efficiently. But is that really a movie you want to go see? Or do you want to go watch a giant robot do it? :D
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: deathfun on August 18, 2013, 01:40:25 pm
I have an answer for that: The universe that movie takes place in is not in line with our own
Conventional weapons are thus less effective in that universe and we must rely on awesome robots
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Nuke on August 18, 2013, 04:20:09 pm
why does pacific rim keep sounding like a bad anime? you guys are making me want to see it less.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: jg18 on August 18, 2013, 05:17:05 pm
Well, I wasn't gonna derail WHIYL further with Pacific Rim discussion, but since you guys are doing it...

Spoiler:
Though personally I think them not kissing is actually kind of brilliant. They have Drifted, been in each other's heads. Compared to that, any physical expression of affection or intimacy is nothing.
Spoiler:
I'll grant this much at least.

It took several days and nuclear weapons to kill the first and smallest kaiju.  Cannons just do not cut it.  That also has the rather nasty side effect of littering the ground for miles with pieces of dead kaiju, which quite effectively poisons everything it touches unless cleaned up immediately.  Cleaning it up immediately is impossible if it covers a dozen square miles.
Spoiler:
And slicing kaiju in half with a giant sword doesn't get kaiju parts everywhere? :P

I saw it a few weeks ago. It dragged in ways that STID didn't, but overall it was a good time. I still don't understand why people couldn't have used cannons to shoot down the kaiju instead of relying on big, expensive robots, given how effective projectile-launching weapons are IRL. Firing cannons wouldn't make for a good movie, though, especially not one with the special effects budget this one must have had.

I don't think there's much doubt that, in the real world, a combination of conventional air power, saturation missile fire (from guided missile frigates or whatever) and specially designed artillery could bring down a Kaiju pretty efficiently. But is that really a movie you want to go see? Or do you want to go watch a giant robot do it? :D
^ Like I said.

I have an answer for that: The universe that movie takes place in is not in line with our own
Conventional weapons are thus less effective in that universe and we must rely on awesome robots
Could be.

why does pacific rim keep sounding like a bad anime? you guys are making me want to see it less.
Like I said, it was entertaining overall, just dragged at times.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Scotty on August 18, 2013, 08:14:20 pm
Answer me this simple question:

If you cut a piece of steak with a knife, does it get everywhere?

If you try to cut a piece of steak with a bullet fired from a handgun, I'd be interested in seeing the aftermath of your kitchen.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Klaustrophobia on August 18, 2013, 08:37:44 pm
say what now
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: jg18 on August 18, 2013, 11:02:11 pm
I can't believe we're still having this conversation, but...

Answer me this simple question:

If you cut a piece of steak with a knife, does it get everywhere?

If you try to cut a piece of steak with a bullet fired from a handgun, I'd be interested in seeing the aftermath of your kitchen.

A more accurate analogy would be slicing a living cow in half in mid-air (don't do that). Would that get everywhere?
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Scotty on August 19, 2013, 01:01:04 am
Still probably less everywhere than using a cannon or other explosives to do it, yes.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: jg18 on August 19, 2013, 01:24:01 am
This should probably get split out (although digressions in WHIYL are common), but I was thinking more along the lines of projectile-launching weapons that leave bullets or similar objects embedded in the target rather than ripping the target's body parts off, although impact from any firearm is presumably going to result in some blood loss at the very least. But all of this is way outside of my expertise, so I wouldn't know.

Anyways, I don't have anything else to say about this, so carry on. :)
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: StarSlayer on August 19, 2013, 08:26:52 am
KEWs?  We don't need no stinking KEWs!

(http://thedynamicbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/elbow-rocket.jpg)
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Phantom Hoover on August 19, 2013, 08:53:09 am
suspension of disbelief mother****ers

have you heard of it
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: redsniper on August 19, 2013, 06:29:27 pm
Yeah, agreed. You guys don't have to do this. There doesn't have to be a realistic reason for everything. The reason Jaegers are the most effective way of fighting Kaiju is because if they weren't then the movie wouldn't be about mech battles.

You know what you're getting into with this kind of movie. Complaining about the mechs is about as disingenuous as complaining about the impracticalities of manned starfighters in FS. :p
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Mongoose on August 19, 2013, 06:55:40 pm
The movie's writer name-dropped Big O in the intro to the prequel comic that he also wrote.  That should tell you everything you need to know. :D
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 22, 2013, 02:58:21 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bfa1fc11f8ddcf80707382fea0dbabb8/tumblr_mo4jviKfr31qk1j3lo1_500.gif)

YOU CAME TO THE WRONG OBLAST MOTHER****ER etc.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Phantom Hoover on August 22, 2013, 04:04:46 am
Big O?
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: jg18 on August 22, 2013, 04:08:34 am
suspension of disbelief mother****ers

have you heard of it

I mostly suspended disbelief, but "why not cannons?" refused to go into suspension. :P Although yeah redsniper is right.

EDIT:
Big O?
I was wondering that, too, actually.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 22, 2013, 04:46:08 am
Big O?

Japanese Mecha Batman. I don't remember it very well, but it did manage to get a purely US-funded second season, which is rare for anime.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Scotty on August 22, 2013, 05:01:02 am
The official novelization mentions conventional assets against kaiju, actually.  The first kaiju takes three distinct strikes to take down, and the area made totally uninhabitable by its remains encompasses most of the San Francisco area, with zones of contamination stretching much farther.  The site is also, for some reason, the jaeger graveyard.

Specifically mentioned are tanks and their cannons, which do **** all, and Hellfire missiles, which are mentioned as being able to "hurt", but unable to take one down.

Granted, I doubt the author was quite the authority on state of the art first-world militaries, but it still seems rather more wasteful to send an entire army group that won't be able to do all that much at all against a monster that can much more effectively (and much more badass-edly) be demolished with a giant robot.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Phantom Hoover on August 22, 2013, 06:38:38 am
And before anyone starts complaining that "oh well conventional arms couldn't possibly be that ineffective", please look up the square cube law. This kind of nitpicking should be reserved for works that are trying to be realistic (World War Z springs to mind).
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Scourge of Ages on August 22, 2013, 01:23:50 pm
And before anyone starts complaining that "oh well conventional arms couldn't possibly be that ineffective", please look up the square cube law.

Aye, once you can get past that, your disbelief should be suspended securely a few miles in the air by a titanium skycrane.
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Mongoose on August 22, 2013, 02:27:50 pm
Big O?
Big O:
(http://images.wikia.com/bigo/images/a/a2/1225679414598hq9.jpg)

As the picture might suggest, it's pretty much the only mecha series I've seen where the mechs move like ponderous, 100-meter-tall behemoths, as opposed to jumping and dashing all over the place.  Even before I read the reference, the Jaegers felt like an absolute dead-ringer to it.  The piston-powered punches helped too. :D
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Mobius on September 02, 2013, 04:22:23 pm
Am I the only one here who was like "WTF lol...?!?" then the Jaeger used a sword to slice through that flying Kaiju? They should have used it much earlier!
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: jg18 on September 02, 2013, 06:06:34 pm
And before anyone starts complaining that "oh well conventional arms couldn't possibly be that ineffective", please look up the square cube law.

Aye, once you can get past that, your disbelief should be suspended securely a few miles in the air by a titanium skycrane.

The square-cube law article was interesting reading, PH. The kaiju's properties and traits are then vacuously true (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth).
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Hades on September 03, 2013, 02:03:27 am
Big O?
Big O:
(http://images.wikia.com/bigo/images/a/a2/1225679414598hq9.jpg)

As the picture might suggest, it's pretty much the only mecha series I've seen where the mechs move like ponderous, 100-meter-tall behemoths, as opposed to jumping and dashing all over the place.  Even before I read the reference, the Jaegers felt like an absolute dead-ringer to it.  The piston-powered punches helped too. :D
Big O is basically Batman with giant mechas. It's pretty ****ing awesome
Title: Re: Pacific Rim (Split from WHIYL)
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 03, 2013, 03:24:15 am
Phoenix Wright is in it isn't he ;7