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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Corhellion on July 05, 2002, 12:50:08 pm
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If you have Broodwar or Starcraft, then plz reply here and we can prolly get an online HLPBW/SC Tournament thingy going on here.
List what type of game you have (eg. SC and/or BW)
How good you are (number of wins, ladder ranking etc)
And what race you ussually play (Terran/Zerg/Protoss)
The contestants will be split into different categories, ranging from:
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Newbie VS Newbie(no wins to 5 wins)
Regular VS Regular(6 wins to 10 wins)
Pro VS Pro(11 wins to 30 wins)
and...
Master VS Master(31 wins to...)
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There will also be team games where there will be:
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2 VS 2
3 VS 3
and
4 VS 4
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as well as other games...can't think of them right now, but if you feel like you want to have some fun at this, reply here, and We'll see what we can do!
Good Luck and have fun!
Cor
ITA/VE War TC...not dead....just on hold
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yo, i got BW , i'm bassically im newb (i haven't practiced in a while, but i can dragoon rush if that impresses anyone, which it shouldn't) but im not a stupid newb, jus a vetran who needs practice, had the game 4 years.
i dunno bout some tournament thing but i wouldn't mind playin with some o you guys. Could be fun, and i have some freinds that migh tbe able to give you a run for money, but i could definitely use some practice. Anyways, Corhellion, i'll IM you next time i see you on AOL or something (when i have time to play)
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oooo ahhh....
I'm in, but I'm uber-n00b :p
Edit: oh yeah, info...
Got: SC & BW
Race: Protoss/Zerg
Stats: 2/1 (made new account) old account was something like 7-50 :lol:
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I'm complete crap at Starcraft. I've got a BW-CD somewhere and wouldn't mind having my Marines die pointlessly under a Protoss onslaught.
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An0n you haven't seen suckage till you've played me :D
(I know I'm putting myself down but I don't mind)
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So an0n, you in? :D
I'm also going to cut the 4 VS 4, because do to SC/BW not being capable of handling more than 8 players, there will have to be a judge to see if someone is cheating or not.
Well, Cya
Cor
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Got: Both
Race: Terran or Zerg
Record-~70-~35
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REGULAR STARCRAFT (not Broodwar)
Normal: 150-15-40
Ladder: 5-2-1
I'm OK to play with any of the three species...
i have a lot of disconnects, because before the 1.09 patch came out i'd disconnect a lot, i don't know why... nowadays i don't disconnect at all!
Let me know... i'll have another Starcraft CD in about 2 weeks (mine broke a month ago... cracked)
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If anyone says "No runs" I'm gonna smack them. Its a perfctly good tactic. You dont like it? Deal with it, one good way to deal with it is to build like youre going to rush, but use those units for defense, or if you play 'Toss a lot, like I do, you can "rush" Photon Cannons. Instead of building a Gateway, build a Forge.
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actually my favorite tactic is to creep rush... like, if i'm playing a melee or a team vs. tem (me against computers) then i'll always be zerg EXCEPT if it's like me vs. 7 comps...
cause you can easily take out 3 zergs against one human player
photon cannons work best against zergling ruhses thougH :)
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Zealots are just as good... they do the same amount of damage as a photon cannon..
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Originally posted by Corhellion
If you have Broodwar or Starcraft, then plz reply here and we can prolly get an online HLPBW/SC Tournament thingy going on here.
List what type of game you have (eg. SC and/or BW)
How good you are (number of wins, ladder ranking etc)
And what race you ussually play (Terran/Zerg/Protoss)
hmm... BW all the way...
number of wins? overall maybe 3000+, my last ladder game was 4 years ago
I can play any race as good as the other.
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Alright!!!
We got ourselves a good turn out, but more ppl can join in we need all the ppl we can get.
I'll make the card soon.
Cor
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Zealots are the second best thing against zerglings :)
but a square of 9 photon cannons can take on dozens of zerglings... hundreds in a period of like 2 mintues :D
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I'm in. Got nothing better to d..........****, the models.
I've not played much multi-player.
Tactics: Pick off the RCV's and do a suicide run at the base. Once you've taken them and the base out you've practically won. Build an ungodly number of marines, split them into groups and methodically cleansing the map one structure at a time. Simple and brutally effective. And never under-estimate the usefullness of look-outs in secured territory.
Basically, rush the construction units and the base, ignoring everything else.
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12 carriers, tell them to attack an empty space near the back of the enemy's base, they will move towards it, but stop to attack anything win their sight, or anything that attacks them. Works for any unit, but carriers work best because of the insane number of interceptors...
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Records:
Brood War: 262-212-57
Starcraft: 67-12-2
Info:
Games: Both
Race(s): Terran ;)
Misc:
Haven't played for a week *gasp*... so i must practice a bit. Also, Terran 0wnzrs all!!!
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Well, we have 8 players already (not including myself)
I will be a player too, but I will be a judge too, for example on the team games.
And Thunder could you please post this on the HLP news plz, this could be a BIG event, for all the ppl who have SC/BW and want to duke it out with forum members.
and the card is being created as I type this, when more ppl sign up they will be added, keep the players coming!
Good luck to those people who have already signed up.
Cor
ITA/VE War TC...not dead....just on hold
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I have both..... I'd do news, but since you asked Thunder to do it....
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Originally posted by Shrike
I have both..... I'd do news, but since you asked Thunder to do it....
:lol: That's so snide :lol:
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Wicked, we got shrike in too!
still need your stats shrike, so I can add you to the card.
Cor
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Count me in.
i got: SC & BW
race: protoss/zerg
I'm a newbie
stats:0/1
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Alright, we got ourselves our first games ready!
And they are:
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Newbie Card:
Knight Templar VS. an0n
and
DragonClaw VS. Neo
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the games will be played sometime next week.
Be ready and prepared all 4 of you!
I will be judging the newbie games but the rest will be recorded, after the games you will send the replay to me and I will see who is the winner of the game.
Good Luck To the Contestants!
Cor
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*sits and cries*
I'm gonna die.
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*smack smack*
ONLY LOSERS THINK THEY ARE GONNA DIE!!!
BUILD LIKE YOU'VE NEVER BUILT BEFORE!!!
Oh and if you're already wondering, NO RUSHING ALLOWED for 20 mins for newbies, 15 for regulars and 10 mins for Pros (masters have been cut out, Pros are 30 wins and up)
and again, the only losers are ppl who THINK they are going to be owned.
and as a final word:
GO FORTH AND KICK ASS!!!
Good Luck (no more putting their selves down)
And if you lose at the 1v1s you can still play on the 2v2s and the 3v3 final game.
Cor
ITA/VE War TC...not dead....just on hold
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um escuse me?
"no rushing"?
why dont we just say... no units except workers. Put on other rules...
Any good player can easily repel a rush, and cripple the economy of the rusher.
If you 'add' any rules, im dropping out.
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*sits and cries*
I'm gonna die.
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alright, no rushing ONLY for newbies.
all others (regulars and pros) can rush, if you want to.
any other questions/comments?
Cor
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Originally posted by Corhellion
Oh and if you're already wondering, NO RUSHING ALLOWED for 20 mins for newbies, 15 for regulars and 10 mins for Pros (masters have been cut out, Pros are 30 wins and up)
*screams*
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Originally posted by Corhellion
alright, no rushing ONLY for newbies.
all others (regulars and pros) can rush, if you want to.
any other questions/comments?
Cor
Thankyou!
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...well, it's good to know I can make things better, and I'll keep my mouth shut until someone wants a real answer to a question.
Cor
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wanna repel a rush?
6 pool rush:
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zerg: 2-4 zerglings plus all your drones can quickly dispose of the enemy with little resistance. Create a few sunkens to prevent further annoyances
terran: one bunker filled with 2+ marines is enough (just repair it), otherwise, 1 rine and your workers
protoss: Probes alone are sufficient, but a zealot would reduce casulaties
12 muta swarm:
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zerg: mass hydras are your best solution, each spore colony greatly helps
terran: rines with stim and medics are all you need, turrets are worthless
protoss: Dragoons are great, but psi storm works wonders. Archons are the ultimate solution.
Marine and Medic rush (M&M)
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zerg: lurkers are the greatest way to dispose of these nusences, or else use sunkens. Use mass hydras if all else fails
terran: make your own M&Ms! Tanks kill the marines before medics can do anything
protoss: zealots and high templars are your best bet, you just need equal numbers
Zealot rush
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zerg: hydras can outrange, backed with sunkens and lurkers quickly dispose of this rush. Intercept with mutas if you get the chance
terran: M&M and/or tanks work. Bunkers backed by tanks at choke points can waste zealots if not micromanaged
protoss: Use dragoon dancing to kill zealots without taking any losses
offensive photons/bunkers:
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Siege units!!
offensive sunkens:
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have zerglings standing by... and rip them up before they can fully morph
anything else?
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:jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
:yes: :yes: :yes:
Excellent Tactics Vader!!!!
Just hope they work in the tourny.
Cor
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Best defense for Terrans, at choke points.
3 Bunkers in front, 12 tanks in siege mode behind, goliaths behind for air defense. anything coming up the path gets nuked in seconds, anything that gets close, gets ripped up by the marines, and then nuked....
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Well, Corehellion asked me to make an ad-poster type thing for this deal... and here's what I came up with:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tap/dragonclaw/poster.jpg)
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What are you guys callsigns on b.net?
I'm Quantumstorm(I wanted a name that didn't have any numbers)
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My name: DragonClawHT
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You guys need a schedule.
Sunkens are just the best anti-rush units in the game. They're fairly cheap, quick to make, and have a kick-ass attack of 40 which is pretty high in the early game. I've seen them countless time chew up zealot rushs on me(though I had zerglings distracting them)
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Soudn fun. An0n, if i touch u in any way, im sorry, i don't mean to, it just happens sometimes when i play rough n' rowdy.
and um, sunkens die agaisnt tanks, too far outta range of seiging
btw, my b net name is Mjolnirs_Wrath_
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My name on Bnet is -=Rontu=-
FYI...
BTW Thorn, that defense is too much. 4 or 5 tanks are good with 1-2 bunks, by then you should have your opponent contained and be readying your final push...
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Oh cool. I'll join in too! Though as Vadar knows, I'm not the best of players. :D heheheh. But trust me when I tell you, heed his advice, its excelent! My callsign is ofcourse Dark_4ce over B.net. Hey thiss be fun, I'll be the newb all the other newbs will be able to kill! :D But I think I'll start training with vadar. He can be my sensei.
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My Brood War's current account's stats are ~50-20. Usually play random (best at zerg). I think the best defense against rushes is just to play normally. If you don't like rushers, learn to live with it. Learn how to micro in defense (ie using peons in defense too, walling, hit and run, move endangered units backwards, etc). Only need a few defense buildings really (ie ~3). That's what I think anyway. Turtling (building zillions of defense buildings) is a stupid way of stopping rushers, I think. Anyway, if you turtle, they just hit your allies. :D :D :D
BTW, what maps are we gonna play on? Lost temple for the good people at the game, normal hunters for the average, and BGH for the newbs I think is a good arrangement.
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Originally posted by adwight
My name on Bnet is -=Rontu=-
FYI...
BTW Thorn, that defense is too much. 4 or 5 tanks are good with 1-2 bunks, by then you should have your opponent contained and be readying your final push...
Too much? When you have over 100 Hydras, 50 Zealots, and 100 marines coming up that path its not too much....
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Well, I like Blitzs idea for Lost Templer for Pros, Hunters for Regulars, and BGH (Big Game Hunters) for the newbies.
As for Dark 4ce, if another newb decides to join you'll be put up against that person.
Well, I won't be here for most of the day, so this will be my last post until I get back.
Thanx for all the ppl who have signed up already!
Good Luck next week for the Newbies!
Cor
(My name on B.net is of course "Corhellion" )
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We need a channel.
How about just HLP?
Somebody sticky this.
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mmmmmmmm BGH, my favorite map, and i'm playin on it. Sweet
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I bought starcraft back in '98, and broodwar in january '99. It gave me some of my most memorable gaming moments, ive been inspired to play it again now.
Owned: SC + BW.
Skill level: completed campaign and playyed a lot of custom maps, won a few games online, though i havent played on battlenet for years.
Usually play: Terran or Zerg, depends on mood.
Tactics
- lone photon cannons can me taken out by 3 well upgrade zerglings (definatly need adrenalin glands).
- A few seige tanks, 12 marines and some SCVs (maybee a medic too), build bunkers further and further into enemy bases. Keep tanks in seige mode.
Big game hunters is where you have to kill the creatures isnt it?
Or will it not use map triggers?
Anyone notice if you click 20 times on a ragnasaur (lava world creature) they blow up with a nuclear explosion. Dont think they damage stuff.
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Anyone notice if you click 20 times on a ragnasaur (lava world creature) they blow up with a nuclear explosion. Dont think they damage stuff.
I didn't knwo that but that has to be the COOLEST THING I HAVE NEVER DONE. :D :D :D
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Any critter will do that except the Twilight one... that bird.. thing....
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Originally posted by beatspete
Big game hunters is where you have to kill the creatures isnt it?
Or will it not use map triggers?
No, its the only money map that was made by blizzard.
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SD Money is the most well known money map in Starcraft (NOT Broodwar)...
Big Game Hunters is mostly used in Starcraft, but it's seen in Broodwar quite often, though they've got more 'advanced' versions of it :D
also... there's many versions of Big Game Hunters... the 'traditional' has 8 starting places (8 players) and each has one vespene gas and 8 minerals i think...
newer ones have up to 2 expansions for each player, and some have turned up the mineral and vespene count, and made it into a money map.
If we have a tournament that'd be cool, awesome in fact! :D but let's do it just Starcraft, because a lot of us don't have Broodwar
oh, and who said "no rushing"???
That's stupid... saying "no rushing" is like saying "don't use any zealots or dragoons against me"... it's pointless... rushing is an aspect of the game... some people are skilled at rushing just like others are good at long, drawn-out games!
You can't have any rules except obvious ones, like no hacks (which is very hard with the 1.09 patch :D ) and no BSing, etc.
we've also got to decide on a central and MAIN map to play.
a money map or not? Lost Temple perhaps? (that's only a 2 player though)
or SD Money? Big Game Hunters?
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I claim rights to host and create the website.
www.tournament.mirrorz.com
will as of tomorrow point to the new HLP Starcraft Tournament
(it was used for the November, 2001 TITAN TOURNAMENT but is not in use anymore :) )
:D
(i made up the name 'HLP Starcraft Tournament'... hope everyone approves)
I'm actually looking forward to this, it's exciting.
What day's good for everyone? I was thinking a Saturday... because in some places in the world will be Friday night, and in other places Saturday afternoon/morning.
We don't want to make it Sunday, because lots of people go to church, spend the day with family, etc.
How about July 27th or August 3rd...
Why did i choose those dates? Because many people in the UK and USA (particularly) have summer holiday (vacation) annd so therefore won't have school bothering them... the next saturday school starts for a lot of people, so better not do that :)
What do you guys think? come up with a date and we'll do it i guess :D
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why doesnt someone do this for redalert 2 yuri's revenge ??
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Originally posted by RoachKoach
why doesnt someone do this for redalert 2 yuri's revenge ??
I have Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge. Despite what Westwood says, its still about "the-more-tanks-you-have-the-merrier" tactics. If you were the Allied forces, just getting a lot of Prism Tanks charging up towards the opponents' base and any defense will fall because of its long range and high damage potential. As for the Soviets, I think the same mass tank tactics will apply here. So, naturally, not many people are keen on a Red Alert 2 multiplayer tournament.
Starcraft on the other hand has more strategies and more diversity of units. Almost any unit Starcraft can be countered and rushes can be defended from by clever use of either Siege Tanks or Psionic Storm just to name a few. I once stopped multiple Zerg rushes with just 5 Protoss Zealots and 2 Protoss High Templars.
I remembered that match fondly. It was on Hunters. Not Big Game Hunters. My friends and I wanted a real kick. So, naturally, everybody fought until the whole damn map was stripped of resources. Those of us, like me, who squandered his resources recklessly, found themselves in "Really Deep Do-Do". What I did was just Storm the front as the Zerg came on and used the Zealots to finish off the survivors. E.g Zerg Hydralisks.
So you see, its because of Starcraft's numerous tactics and strategies for attacking and defense that still attracts people from all over the world to play it. I would say that Starcraft is one of Blizzard Entertainment's best successes.:)
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If I remember corectly, both Hunters and Big Game Hunters are 128 by 128 maps with 8 starting player locations.Anybody who can hold the centre is most likely to win that round. Defense is simple because there is only one way in and out of the starting locations and any other alternatives are by air only.
Hunters has limited resources. Big Game Hunters has an additional Vespene Geyser at the starting points. The resources are tuned up to ridiculous levels, so one can "camp" at the starting location for quite some time without the need to expand base.
However, Big Game Hunters is a official Blizzard mulitplayer map, is it???
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Stealth...I REEEEEEALLY DON'T LIKE YOU SAYING THAT YOU MADE UP THE NAME "HLP STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT"!!!! I DID FIRST!
AND ANOTHER THING, I DON'T LIKE YOU THINKING YOU ARE NOW IN CHARGE!
sure, SOME of your ideas are good...but we don't need a website!
and if you look back on the previous posts, I put down what the maps will be for the different ranks (newbies, regulars, pros).
And it (the tournament) will take place over a period of about 2 weeks! We have to do the 1v1s, the 2v2s, and the final 3v3 games!
Stealth, You got that?!
Don't post here again, thinking you are in charge, cause it WON'T HAPPEN!
Any more questions, and STAY ON TOPIC, ONLY SC/BW related topics.
Cor
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Ok........How about you guys just work together?
*readys Vasudan Attack Fishes*
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THAT I can do
Stealth...after much thinking and consideration, the website idea sounds useful, it would be much easier to put up "The Card"
So as of now Stealth is the 2nd in command for the "HLP Starcraft/Broodwar Tournament" there will be a part of the card that is for StarCraft ONLY players.
Well, if you can reply here stealth, then we can figure out what dates to post for the games.
Good luck and happy hunting!
Cor
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Sighs....
Not again. Look, This one seems pretty simple to sort out and no I'm not going to read the whole thread to see if I've missed something. Stealth, Corhellion started this tournament. It's his. You do not claim rights to creating websites in it's names or anythnig similar without his express permission and the way I see it, that hasn't happened.
Making this your second transgression in as many days would be very foolish. Understand?
Let's try and sort this one out without me having to close anything or take further action.
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Never played either of those MP. Hmm might be an idea to start :)
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i dont agree totally with the more tanks wins in ra2, at all
ive won games against really good players where i was attacked with 10 prisms, vs just 3 apocs, but i managed to crush his attack. ok, that sort of thing is possible mostly in a long game, that lasts an hour at least. in another game, which i lost eventually, i killed 5 prism tanks with a lone apoc and boris, defending my base and prolonging the battle a little more
u obviuosly havent ever faced similar problems in starcraft of more the merrier, but i assure u, it is easily accomplished, not on the ground, but in the air. nothing stands up to the protoss anyways, they r just too powerful, scouts n carriers in the air, reavers and dark templars on the ground.
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Waiths vs Scouts, Wraith wins if it cloaks, loses if it doesnt, scouts missiles do more damage, but it cant shoot what it cant see...
Carrier vs Battlecruiser, Cruiser wins if it uses the Yamato cannon, hell, I think it even wins without it...
Reavers vs Tanks, about even, reavers lose if the tank is in siege mode...
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Originally posted by Thorn
Too much? When you have over 100 Hydras, 50 Zealots, and 100 marines coming up that path its not too much....
Like I said, with Terran, you should already have your opponent contained. 3-4 Tanks at max... 12 or so Marines. You should have your opponent contained with about 12 tanks, 8 goliaths, and 14 marines.... Take dropships and attack his base with your units in them... it works almost everytime, unless you let him escape and get more minerals...
EDIT: lol, if you let your opponent get that much, there is something wrong with your strategy...
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Originally posted by adwight
Like I said, with Terran, you should already have your opponent contained. 3-4 Tanks at max... 12 or so Marines. You should have your opponent contained with about 12 tanks, 8 goliaths, and 14 marines.... Take dropships and attack his base with your units in them... it works almost everytime, unless you let him escape and get more minerals...
EDIT: lol, if you let your opponent get that much, there is something wrong with your strategy...
Not one opponent... Seven.....
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I'm well aware that it's your tournament Cornellian, i just thought a website would be useful as a central location for everyone...
I promise i wasn't trying to take charge, i am still well aware, as is everyone, that you are 1st in command! :)
and that wasn't the name i made up, i just made that name up for the site, and it seems useful, don't you think?
Everyone who reads this: Corhellion is primary command! :D
I'll work on a website today where people who want to join can submit their email address, Battle.net name, a date that's most convenient for them, etc.
This seemed to work rather well in November's Freespace tourney.
Corhellion, do you have an email address? AIM? ICQ? MSN? Yahoo Messenger?
If you do, please email them to me or post here, so we can talk about it more!
[email protected]
I'll await your email :)
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Originally posted by Thorn
Not one opponent... Seven.....
Then that changes things... but when are you ever going to have 7 opponents on bnet..??? 2v1 is rare, but 7v1, highly unlikely. Unless your playing the computer, but still the comp is too easy... Good luck beating 7 people with that defense, there are always ways to get around...
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well Terran are known to have the best defense... they may be slower at building, but their defense is way better than any other species, and if their bunker/siegetank/etc. is damaged, an SCV can repair it in a few seconds!
Protoss i think has the best offense, though some people disagree with me :D
zerg is the best at rushing, and mass attacks, since their units are cheap and fast...
Cornhellion, email me
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Carriers vs.Scourage=Scourage win big time
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E-mail Sent...
And it's "Cor"hellion, not "Corn"Hellion.
Stealth and I will make up the dates, but sometime this week the first of the games BEGIN!
Knight Templar VS an0n
And...
DragonClaw VS Dark_4ce
the winners go on, the losers have to wait till the 2v2 games start. The winners of the 1v1 get an automatic seat in the 3v3 game, and if there is complications then there will be a sudden death round were all the ccontestants play to the finish, the last 3 ppl who win will be in the 3v3, and the last 3 ppl to be eliminated play the winners.
fair enough?
Cor
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gl getting stealth to actually do anything cor
anyways! dark_4ce shouldn't be put in a one on one quite yet... ill go 2on2 with him, that way he can fly over to my base, and ill take out my two opponents single handedly
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Now now vader, be nice to the newbie *points to dark_4ce* he's being put up against another newbie who I have fought against and WOOOPED royally, I'm talking about DC, and also there is a no rush in affect for newbies only, remember vader? all other rankings, regular and pro can rush if they want to.
Dark_4ce will do fine, just give him some pointers before the game, and play against him in a game, show him the ropes and tactics and other things like that!
Well, that's my last post for the night.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
Cor
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Originally posted by Stealth
well Terran are known to have the best defense... they may be slower at building, but their defense is way better than any other species, and if their bunker/siegetank/etc. is damaged, an SCV can repair it in a few seconds!
Protoss i think has the best offense, though some people disagree with me :D
The only way that the terran will win in that situation is if they turtle, and build a billion turrets around. But, corsairs nullify turrets allowing for a smooth clean drop....
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Originally posted by adwight
Then that changes things... but when are you ever going to have 7 opponents on bnet..??? 2v1 is rare, but 7v1, highly unlikely. Unless your playing the computer, but still the comp is too easy... Good luck beating 7 people with that defense, there are always ways to get around...
AI.. much harder than your average b.net player....mainly because they cheat..
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I've found my CD's brutally destroyed by nail-polish remover, but never fear, I am securing new copies of both SC and BW as I speak......err...type.