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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: MP-Ryan on September 23, 2013, 04:48:32 pm
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...because Valve may just have figured out a way to get every PC gamer to install a Linux distribution somewhere in their home that isn't on a smartphone:
http://business.financialpost.com/2013/09/23/steam-os-announced-by-valv/
How awesome is this.
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I am pretty interested to see how it pans out, especially how far it deviates from the standard desktop Linux formula.
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I figure it's in their interest to deviate as little as possible from their upstream distro. As for SteamOS itself, I thought it might be very similar to Steam Big Picture mode.
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This goes in Gaming Discussion, thanks.
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I'm now even more curious to see which route they go with their initial hardware. This 3-part announcement structure is super effective.
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This goes in Gaming Discussion, thanks.
Not really. It's an Operating System, not just a digital distribution platform.
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I wonder if Valve has any idea what kind of trouble this is going to bring them in tech support.
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This isn't Half Life 3.
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This is part one of a three-part announcement.
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From reddit:
I can just see it now....
"Could not connect to the Steam Network. This could be a problem due to your Internet connection, or with the Steam network. Please visit www.steampowered.com for more info."
Me - I just want to use my printer. :(
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This isn't Half Life 3.
I would prefer Portal 3
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Portal 3 and Half-Life 3 will be released at the same time. Players playing Portal 3 will be able to play with players playing Half-Life 3.
:D
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Portal 3 and Half-Life 3 will be released at the same time. Players playing Portal 3 will be able to play with players playing Half-Life 3.
:D
Presumably they will be the same game, but I wasn't sure if that's what you're driving at or not =)
Also, yeah - two announcements left. One had BETTER be HL3. I'm really tired of the damn cliffhanger from HL2Ep2
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here, whet your appetite with this (https://twitter.com/BreenGrub)
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One had BETTER be HL3. I'm really tired of the damn cliffhanger from HL2Ep2
It's been about as long now since Ep 2 as the time between the releases of HL1 and HL2. :blah:
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I think there's enough evidence that there's been basically no work on it for years that it definitely won't be released any time soon, if at all.
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Valve can't release anything that has a 3 in the title. Which is why all their titles stop at 2. It is known.
DOTA2
Portal 2
Half-Life 2 Episode 2
Team Fortress 2
Left 4 Dead 2
So they will also probably stop by the second announcement.
Regarding the OS, it seems they are doing this for all the wrong reasons.
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Regarding the OS, it seems they are doing this for all the wrong reasons.
Having a way out of a potentially locked-down-appstore-style-Windows OS seems like a pretty decent reason to me. If this is what MS plans to do, then I don't see them allowing Valve to install their Steam client (and sorry, I can't find the page where I 1st saw this idea mentioned)
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Valve can't release anything that has a 3 in the title. Which is why all their titles stop at 2. It is known.
DOTA2
Portal 2
Half-Life 2 Episode 2
Team Fortress 2
Left 4 Dead 2
So they will also probably stop by the second announcement.
Regarding the OS, it seems they are doing this for all the wrong reasons.
This is a common joke but there is something to it; consider that of all those titles, Half Life is the only one that Valve actually started development on. All the rest are developments of ideas (and, in the case of DOTA and TF2, full games) that were initially made by some independent team whom Valve recruited.
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This is why it won't happen.
To be completely frank, I don't even give a damn about the Half Lives anymore. Their time has passed. Valve would be better off making something new.
Or a complete reboot.
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Valve can't release anything that has a 3 in the title. Which is why all their titles stop at 2. It is known.
DOTA2
Portal 2
Half-Life 2 Episode 2
Team Fortress 2
Left 4 Dead 2
So they will also probably stop by the second announcement.
It's probably why EA decided to release Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3 on Origin. They simply do not want the consequences of having an game with a three in it so close to Valve.
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To be completely frank, I don't even give a damn about the Half Lives anymore. Their time has passed. Valve would be better off making something new.
Well, I want to see how this story ends. The last one ended on a cliffhanger, and I don't like that.
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Yeah, I think most people would accept HL3 if they abandoned their whole auteur system and just rounded out the story with the same gameplay everyone loves. Admittedly this would've been more practical when they hadn't built up five years of anticipation.
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Regarding the OS, it seems they are doing this for all the wrong reasons.
Having a way out of a potentially locked-down-appstore-style-Windows OS seems like a pretty decent reason to me. If this is what MS plans to do, then I don't see them allowing Valve to install their Steam client (and sorry, I can't find the page where I 1st saw this idea mentioned)
Valve already has Steam clients for other OS. What's the point of having their own OS?
I can't see anything good from having their own OS that they couldn't do by contributing to the Linux kernel without making their own distro.
It's like Adobe suddenly deciding they would rather make their own distro just for Photoshop.
P.S.
I don't mean to say that there isn't ANY point of having their own OS, just that the reason of moving away from Windows is bull**** amongst others.
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Valve already has Steam clients for other OS. What's the point of having their own OS?
If the Appstore model catches on in Windows (with MS deciding that they'll not allow installation of programs outside of their appstore*), then Steam would be out of business.
Personally, I see a release like this as something that may serve to get more people used to Linux. The issue right now is that Linux is unbelievably fragmented and, for the average gamer, hard to use with little software available natively. SteamOS may be able to change that.
I can't see anything good from having their own OS that they couldn't do by contributing to the Linux kernel without making their own distro.
I'm pretty sure they're going to contribute quite a few things, but the problem is that that does not automatically translate into a good gaming ecosystem based on Linux, as there is no guarantee that other distros will use these changes. Building a showcase that demonstrates what is possible is a necessary step towards getting other distros to accept and implement similar changes.
It's like Adobe suddenly deciding they would rather make their own distro just for Photoshop.
Except that's nowhere near an accurate comparison. Valve want to develop the platform for multimedia and games, they want to make a PC-based console-workalike that combines the power and flexibility of a PC with the "it just works" ease-of-use of a console. That I believe to be a very good thing.
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Oops, forgot the footnote I intended to place here.
*There is about a snowball's chance in the sun for this to actually happen. MS is currently in a reorganization period after the Ballmer departure; I do not expect their desperate attempts to copy Apple to continue.
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If the Appstore model catches on in Windows (with MS deciding that they'll not allow installation of programs outside of their appstore*), then Steam would be out of business.
Personally, I see a release like this as something that may serve to get more people used to Linux. The issue right now is that Linux is unbelievably fragmented and, for the average gamer, hard to use with little software available natively. SteamOS may be able to change that.
i refuse to use any os that locks you into an app store. i dont mind if there is one but i prefer not to use one of those.
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Valve already has Steam clients for other OS. What's the point of having their own OS?
If the Appstore model catches on in Windows (with MS deciding that they'll not allow installation of programs outside of their appstore*), then Steam would be out of business.
Personally, I see a release like this as something that may serve to get more people used to Linux. The issue right now is that Linux is unbelievably fragmented and, for the average gamer, hard to use with little software available natively. SteamOS may be able to change that.
I can't see anything good from having their own OS that they couldn't do by contributing to the Linux kernel without making their own distro.
I'm pretty sure they're going to contribute quite a few things, but the problem is that that does not automatically translate into a good gaming ecosystem based on Linux, as there is no guarantee that other distros will use these changes. Building a showcase that demonstrates what is possible is a necessary step towards getting other distros to accept and implement similar changes.
It's like Adobe suddenly deciding they would rather make their own distro just for Photoshop.
Except that's nowhere near an accurate comparison. Valve want to develop the platform for multimedia and games, they want to make a PC-based console-workalike that combines the power and flexibility of a PC with the "it just works" ease-of-use of a console. That I believe to be a very good thing.
There two issues here, you either want the OS to be user friendly (as you said, "it just works") or you want to get people used to Linux. You can't have both.
You can ask yourself, did Android make people get used to Linux?
I used Adobe as an example because regardless of the kind of applications they do, they sit on the same abstraction level as Valve as a developer, or at least did before these news.
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There two issues here, you either want the OS to be user friendly (as you said, "it just works") or you want to get people used to Linux. You can't have both.
Define "Get used to Linux". The way I see it, if you can give them a non-intrusive desktop, performant games, and a well-designed UI, that's already most of the way towards that goal. The usability issues Linux has stem from the average UI being horrible, there being about 10 different ones, drivers being a pain in the ass to get right, and weird configuration issues due to the GUI backend being weird. If Valve can hide this complexity and make an OS that is at least Win7-levels of usable, that'll be enough.
The idea that "It's Linux, it has to be at least this complex" is one of the big reasons why Linux consistently fails to attract people like me.
You can ask yourself, did Android make people get used to Linux?
Apples and oranges.
I used Adobe as an example because regardless of the kind of applications they do, they sit on the same abstraction level as Valve as a developer, or at least did before these news.
That is quite far from the truth though. Valve used to be a game developer with an App store attached, now it's an App store that occasionally works on games. They're far more of an infrastructure company than a developer at this point, them going deeper into the infrastructure side makes a lot of sense, especially given gaben's stated desire to cut themselves loose from the dependancy on Windows the gaming market suffers from at the moment.
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I'm pretty excited about this. I would love to be able to purge all Microsoft products from my life forever. They seem to only be very reluctantly allowing people to game on Windows at this point. "Why haven't you bought an Xbox yet? We want to control everything you do."
Valve throwing their weight around behind a Linux distro means a lot of good things for the world of Linux. Non-crap AMD video card drivers, anyone?
It's a gamble, yeah, but if it works out, it's not too far-fetched to think that there might be an upheaval in the desktop OS market.
Windows = enterprise/business
Linux = gaming
Mac = uh, something else
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There two issues here, you either want the OS to be user friendly (as you said, "it just works") or you want to get people used to Linux. You can't have both.
Define "Get used to Linux".
You used the sentence first. :p
But I assumed you meant the users dealing with the usual issues they have comfortably, i.e. troubleshooting. Dealing with network connectivity, installing programs, the usual.
The way I see it, if you can give them a non-intrusive desktop, performant games, and a well-designed UI, that's already most of the way towards that goal. The usability issues Linux has stem from the average UI being horrible, there being about 10 different ones, drivers being a pain in the ass to get right, and weird configuration issues due to the GUI backend being weird. If Valve can hide this complexity and make an OS that is at least Win7-levels of usable, that'll be enough.
Except that from what the news details, the OS will be rather steam-centric and with console-like behavior. Not exactly the flexibility people expect from Linux.
Which is why I used the Android reference.
The idea that "It's Linux, it has to be at least this complex" is one of the big reasons why Linux consistently fails to attract people like me.
I would go one step beyond and say that is why it fails to attract most users.
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The Android reference is apt.
Specially the fork that Amazon did.
So yeah.
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To be completely frank, I don't even give a damn about the Half Lives anymore. Their time has passed. Valve would be better off making something new.
Or a complete reboot.
You shut your sacrilegious mouth right now! :P
Anyway, Ghostavo, this announcement doesn't look like Steam is moving solely to the Linux environment anytime soon (corporate suicide, anyone?) but building a gaming-oriented user-friendly Linux distro that just works would be a massive step toward getting the PC gaming market more willing to explore Linux.
Linux is its own worst enemy. I have thus far stayed away from it (Android aside, mind) because I cannot be bothered to **** around with identifying what distro I want, setting up the GUI, installing the drivers, etc. Windows 7 FINALLY moved Windows away from the driver search/conflict bull**** that have plagued non-Apple PCs for years, and I'm not eager to dump myself back into that setting when Windows just bloody works now. Windows 8 aside; I've been playing with a Windows 8 tablet at work and while I like it, thus far I feel like its just Windows enough to have a rough idea of where all the under-the-hood stuff should be found, but in typical MS fashion they've tried to reinvent the wheel and moved settings around just enough to piss me off when they aren't where they should be. Someone needs to tell both the developers of Windows and Office that once people get used to a method of finding functions they use, they don't like having to constantly relearn it in every new version you release because you're trying to be hip, cool, and utterly obnoxious like Apple (has anyone here ever tried to find semi-advanced settings on an Apple computer or tablet? Because it is a ****ing pain in the ass, and Apple's own tech support often doesn't know how to do it).
At any rate, ANYTHING that makes Linux more user-friendly and oriented to a general audience is a positive development.
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As I said in IRC, I am indeed looking forward to this one, I've been waiting for a cheap console solution that has access to the biggest indie dev community out there. A solution that seems to be pointed to openness and availability. I still think the most apt comparison is with the Amazon tablets. While I'm not the biggest fan of Amazon or ebooks or whatever, the business model seems unbeatable and amazingly cheap, and it looks damn familiar with what Gabe is trying to do here.
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Good news, given that I have already decided I'll start learning Linux, Windows 7 is the last Windows I'll ever use, both at work and at home.
I'm still wondering whether the smart-asses at Microsoft realized that they have never made it easier to jump ship completely? :D As in: "if the ****ers shift things around and I need to pay for courses that teach me to use UI and Excel that I knew well before the change, what's stopping me from changing the complete operating system?"
Now if only the developers of a couple serious design softwares saw what's coming... I don't personally like the idea of running stuff in Windows emulation mode. Granted, I'll have to do that anyways if I want to game at home, but I do have some CPU cycle critical stuff running at work.
And at least I can ****ing configure my own UI in Linux. Ribbon can really go where the sun doesn't shine. And no, I definitely don't want my stuff to be saved under "My Documents"!
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i probibly know enough linux to get by, but probibly not at the same level of proficiency that i have with windows. but if winders keeps going the way its going im gone. there is also reactos but its development is very slow.
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I had a large wall text originally, but it went off topic.
Ubuntu is very easy to understand and install. It mostly works out of the box, so that's one to try if you want to.
SteamOS is very interesting. Increase graphics support from AMD and Nvidia can only benefit everyone (except MS) in the long run. I hope valve succeeds. Gaming was the only area where I had a beef with Linux. Once that's resolved, I'll be strictly sticking with Linux.
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id probibly go with something debian based. last live cd i tried, ubuntu kinda had this linux for noobs feel to it. plus my most recent linux experience has been raspbian on the pi.
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Those who like to read books to learn might want to consider Linux Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Bible-Christopher-Negus/dp/111821854X/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380083997&sr=1-8). The book starts from very basics of desktop Linux and advances into troubleshooting, administration and setting up servers. Primary focus of the book is in Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but most things should work fairly well with Debian and Ubuntu. The skills the book teaches can be applied to any distro. All you need is a virtual machine with Linux (preferably Fedora) in it, free easy-to-use VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) provides that.
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Ubuntu is very easy to understand and install. It mostly works out of the box, so that's one to try if you want to.
...unless you have an AMD card that's on "legacy" drivers, which then entails a solid week of trying to fiddle with config stuff you really don't understand in order to get your system to run at a non-glacial pace. Fun times. :p
But yeah, I'm really interested in seeing what comes out of this.
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Nvidia have just coincidentally announced that they will be helping with the development of the open-source Nvidia drivers on Linux (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/nvidia-seeks-peace-with-linux-pledges-help-on-open-source-driver/). Clearly 2014 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.
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Steam Machines and quests...who wants to add me as a friend on Steam? ;7
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamMachines/ (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamMachines/)
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If Valve's next announcement is a gamepad, won't PC game designers have to make sure that their games are perfectly playable with a gamepad, leading to more games with simplified or watered down interfaces, making PC gaming indistinguishable from console gaming?
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Probably not, since you're perfectly well allowed to use any damn controller you please. This would just make all of the console ports that have ****ty mouse support easier to play.
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In other coincidences, AMD has a big announcement coming tomorrow...
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/09/25/amd-teases-crossfire-eyefinity-and-linux-dr/1
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Probably not, since you're perfectly well allowed to use any damn controller you please. This would just make all of the console ports that have ****ty mouse support easier to play.
....how? Like you said, you can already play console ports with console controllers. Developing PC games specifically for console-like controllers isn't going to add anything to what we already have, and can't be a benefit to mouse/keyboard gaming. I agree with mamba, replacing the mouse/keyboard (or proper joystick setups, wheels, etc in appropriate sims) as the "standard" PC gaming input is going to be bad for PC gaming. I've played enough crap console ports already, I don't want that to become the normal. And I'll still play a crap mouse/keyboard hack job rather than use a controller for the vast majority of game genres I play.
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(warning: speculation follows)
Hmmm... why would Valve release a new gamepad. There's plenty of them on the market already. What if the 3rd announcement is about VR glasses? (or VR something else?)
http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/18/4343382/technical-illusions-valve-augmented-reality-glasses-jeri-ellsworth-rick-johnson
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Because Valve filed a patent for a gamepad a while back. The joysticks can be swapped out for trackballs.
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awwwwww :(
I was really hoping for some more VR tech, but the patent (and the contest wanting gaming with a gamepad for entry) would seem to make more sense. Oh well.
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Those who like to read books to learn might want to consider Linux Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Bible-Christopher-Negus/dp/111821854X/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380083997&sr=1-8). The book starts from very basics of desktop Linux and advances into troubleshooting, administration and setting up servers. Primary focus of the book is in Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but most things should work fairly well with Debian and Ubuntu. The skills the book teaches can be applied to any distro. All you need is a virtual machine with Linux (preferably Fedora) in it, free easy-to-use VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) provides that.
Not that you really need to read those books though, if you have even the slightest understanding about CLI usage. Personally I found it more interesting to just install a distro and google the rest, whenever some issue surfaces (I did purchase a few bible-thick books back then, but I've hardly ever opened those during the ~10 years I've been using linux).
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(http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/thumb/1126/large)
Precisely my current state of mind :)
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Not that you really need to read those books though, if you have even the slightest understanding about CLI usage. Personally I found it more interesting to just install a distro and google the rest, whenever some issue surfaces (I did purchase a few bible-thick books back then, but I've hardly ever opened those during the ~10 years I've been using linux).
This doesn't apply to any specific subject, but in general. There are several problems with self-studying from Internet material.
- You cannot easily validate whether information in a web page is correct. (*)
- You cannot easily determine whether information in a web page is comprehensive. (*)
* Unless the web page in question has some kind of comments section and people have actually commented anything useful.
On the other hand, you can easily determine whether a book is either of these things before buying it by checking user reviews. Like everyone else, I have done a lot of self-study from Internet material. However if I have gotten a book at a later date, it has more often than not dawned to me that what I learned from Internet was either partially erroneous or wasn't comprehensive enough. Usually that kind of problem stems when people who self-studied posts their learnings in Internet, which may result in people learning from more or less lacking material.
On the other hand, books are usually authored by respected people in their own field and checked many times over by other respected people in the same field. Which means material found in books usually has less errors and are more comprehensive in their content.
This was of course generalization and there are plenty exceptions either way. I'm just saying that if you truly want to learn something, you should get a good book. I bet you'll find a lot of stuff you didn't know or learn how to do what you already knew more efficiently.
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i trust information online over what is published in linux books, just because the information that is online is newer. i haven't discovered a linux problem that hasn't been discussed in detail on some forum somewhere. and 9 times out of ten you can solve it in a day. which is actually also a problem i have with linux. everything is accomplished in some roundabout not-obvious non-standard way. find 10 drivers and you will also learn 8 new ways to install drivers, 1 way to not install drivers and 1 way to fail catastrophically (you will also learn that these ways are not interchangeable).
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Every driver I have installed on Linux has been through a package manager and has been almost entirely automated.
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thats the way things are now. its taken a long time to get this far.
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Every driver I have installed on Linux has been through a package manager and has been almost entirely automated.
so you have yet to know the joy of owning a new (i.e. not 17 year old) piece of hardware.
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Every driver I have installed on Linux has been through a package manager and has been almost entirely automated.
so you have yet to know the joy of owning a new (i.e. not 17 year old) piece of hardware.
Here's how it worked for me recently when I bought a new human interface device:
1: Attach to the computer with USB.
2: Go online to look for a driver.
3: Wiggle input device while I wait for google to load up my first page of results.
4: Device already works. Close browser. Open beer.
Or another story, when I recently installed a new graphics card:
1: Turn off computer, open, place card in PCI-E slot.
2: Attempt to plug card into power supply, discover power supply doesn't have right number of connectors free.
3: Juggle plugs until everything is plugged in properly.
4: Close case back up, push power button.
5: Boots normally, uses open radeon driver, runs primary monitor at native resolution.
5a: shrug, say that's good enough for now, go off and do some light tasks, blendering, freespacing, get passable framerates.
5b: three days later, decide to try official binary blobs.
6: Go to website, download driver package, follow instructions linked at wiki and run downloaded executable with "--buildpkg Distro/version" flag.
7: Install resulting package files. Restart X. Everything works. Open beverage.
TL;DR: Leave your outdated nitpicking in the past where it belongs, please, Bobb.
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To be fair, getting Optimus to work properly was a bit of a nightmare. A bit of a nightmare, to set up open-source, unofficial drivers, for something which isn't really necessary unless you're gaming, on a distro notorious for its total disregard for user-friendliness.
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Half Life 3 trademarked on this day!
Praise Lord Gaben!
<insert jokes about government shutdown here>
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Really? Awesome!
Link?
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Don't worry, it's still not coming this side of heat death.
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(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Valve-Confirms-Half-Life-3-Development-via-User-Picker.jpg?1380699243)
Half-Life 3 confirmed.
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This would be the leaked mailing list which showed that nobody had posted anything about HL3 in years?
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http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse#announcements/detail/2145128928746175450
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel : i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB DDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high
Aside from the PSU...
:eek:
:jaw:
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hot damnnn
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To be fair, getting Optimus to work properly was a bit of a nightmare. A bit of a nightmare, to set up open-source, unofficial drivers, for something which isn't really necessary unless you're gaming, on a distro notorious for its total disregard for user-friendliness.
Optimus and "works properly" do not belong in the same sentence. You cannot tell me that a wrapper using virtualgl can do anything similar to what a proper gpu without it (bumblebee) can.
also, if you do not mean gentoo and friends, you are a soddin liar :p
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Arch, actually. And yes, by 'works properly' I do mean 'runs at all'.
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Arch, actually. And yes, by 'works properly' I do mean 'runs at all'.
okay, you count :p
any yes -.-
i eventually gave up on linux on that particular laptop i had the joy of briefly using. whilst i could play some games somewhat on windows, on linux it was just a bloody pain to get them to even run properly on the nvidia.
but, all in all i welcome the change this ought to bring into linux overall. maybe, just maybe i'll be able to use my lovely nvidia with open source drivers and reasonable actual use :p
also, as a side note on "distro notorious for its total disregard for user-friendliness"
these are most likely to be fixable after twiddling and breaking something. cause most likely you've set up the config files yourself, or at least rummaged through them and have a rough understanding what and where might have broken.
compared to my experience with running ubuntu derivatives... sheesh. who'd think that you could break a distro 5 minutes after installing it.
eh, its funtoo with kde on the home pc for me and kubuntu at work, since i'm not being paid to wait around for compiling :p
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I Pr0, I kn3w: http://www.valvetime.net/threads/fake-european-half-life-3-portal-3-trademarks-filed.243962/
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@FlamingMamba: Why, when you make a post saying a trademark for HL3 has been filed and I ask for a link, do you post an irrelevant image? Dislike.
@An4ximandros: So it's fake, then? Dislike.
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I Pr0, I kn3w: http://www.valvetime.net/threads/fake-european-half-life-3-portal-3-trademarks-filed.243962/
UNFOLLOWED. BLOCKED.
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A Message from Gabe Newell (http://www.dorkly.com/article/54448/a-message-from-gabe-newell)
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This seems to be written based on the misconceptions that a) Valve are an innovative company and b) Half-Life is a series of innovative games.
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http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse#announcements/detail/2145128928746175450
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel : i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB DDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high
Aside from the PSU...
:eek:
:jaw:
sounds like a mini itx box with some awesome sauce on top.
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A Message from Gabe Newell (http://www.dorkly.com/article/54448/a-message-from-gabe-newell)
So basically:
"We're not going to make Half-Life 3 because we're not creative enough to make it satisfy our own [inflated] standards of what is novel/interesting/innovative."
In other words:
"We're lazy."
Any remaining hope in Half-Life 3=gone. Looks like it's in the same realm as Freespace 3 now.
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You, uh, may want to get your satire detector checked out.
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A Message from Gabe Newell (http://www.dorkly.com/article/54448/a-message-from-gabe-newell)
So basically:
"We're not going to make Half-Life 3 because we're not creative enough to make it satisfy our own [inflated] standards of what is novel/interesting/innovative."
In other words:
"We're lazy."
Any remaining hope in Half-Life 3=gone. Looks like it's in the same realm as Freespace 3 now.
The user's intelligence unfolds... This was NOT written by Gabe Newell, for feck's sake! It's a satire written by some gaming website! I though HLP was over this...
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A Message from Gabe Newell (http://www.dorkly.com/article/54448/a-message-from-gabe-newell)
So basically:
"We're not going to make Half-Life 3 because we're not creative enough to make it satisfy our own [inflated] standards of what is novel/interesting/innovative."
In other words:
"We're lazy."
Any remaining hope in Half-Life 3=gone. Looks like it's in the same realm as Freespace 3 now.
Nothing about that article strikes you as even remotely strange? :p
edit: derp, sniped. At any rate, it's obvious that 2+2/3rds games don't make a franchise stale per se. I also don't see what's particularly innovative about putting a computer in the living room. I appreciate the risk they're taking but god damnit I just want to play games.
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I though HLP was over this...
Whatever made you think that?
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*shrug* Gaben is a fat, wealthy, dorky company director. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't sound like him.
As far as I'm concerned, that's his actual attitude toward the ****ing game at this point. So my verdict on him still rests either way.
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*shrug* Gaben is a fat, wealthy, dorky company director. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't sound like him.
As far as I'm concerned, that's his actual attitude toward the ****ing game at this point. So my verdict on him still rests either way.
Never go full Kazan. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=26705.msg536657#msg536657)
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Hey, I never ask you to take me seriously, even when I do so to myself. :P
I mean, after seeing the blatent immaturity that is Derek Smart (you're going to tell me he's just a silly troll now, too?) in the gaming industry, I'm fully prepared to accept that even ValvE isn't incapable of the same arrogance.
I'd rather have my cynicism fooled than my optimism.
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Do not worry haloboy100. Many others have fallen for it in the comments section of the article.
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I mean, after seeing the blatent immaturity that is Derek Smart (you're going to tell me he's just a silly troll now, too?)
No, because unlike the famously reticent Gabe Newell, Smart has a long history of making a fool of himself online.
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And from the times Gaben has spoken out publicly on various gaming topics, he's always come across as a reasonable and intelligent guy.
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Steam Controller Demonstration:
I think Valve's choices for demonstrating the Steampad's capabilities could have been better.
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I really hope them well, but I kinda am not seeing the business plan here.
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the plan is to establish a market were they are not at MS's mercy in terms of MS building an app store that only allows approved apps to be installed.
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And to push development of more efficient games. (although that's really just a happy coincidence)