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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: NeoHunter on July 06, 2002, 10:55:24 pm
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Well, Warcraft 3 was officially made available on the 3rd of July 2002. By now, I think most of you guys have bought the game and are having a ball of a time playing it. Therefore, I decided to start a thread for Warcraft 3 only. So, anybody can ask any questions or offer tips and tricks about the game.
To start it off, I've got a very good question.
What are the cheat codes for the game??? *Hee*:D
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Blizzard usually officially releases cheat codes a couple months later. I was all hyped up about the game, and got the collectors edition as soon as the store opened. Really... it was a let down... the spells sucked, the units sucked, and its still got alot of stability problems. 6+ player games and people just randomly drop.
I just don't like many aspects of it, IMO Starcraft still has better stratagies availible.
Oya, and Worldcraft's trigger systems are just confusing
bah@war3, 5 years in the making.... Blizzard ****s up... just like Diablo 2... they are losing their edge!! And now with WoW... and no plans for Starcraft II, Im losing faith.
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Warcraft 3 sucks?? I presume you like to rush, don't you?? Warcraft 3 is more on Heroes and strategy unlike Starcraft where just building 24 Protoss Carriers and you won. No more rushing. Now its all strategy. I like this new change by Blizzard. The CG cutscenes were fantastic. May even rival Final Fantasy CG cutscenes!:)
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Somebody do me a favor and find me a cheap copy of it (un used)
and i'll buy it
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Originally posted by NeoHunter
Warcraft 3 sucks?? I presume you like to rush, don't you?? Warcraft 3 is more on Heroes and strategy unlike Starcraft where just building 24 Protoss Carriers and you won. No more rushing. Now its all strategy. I like this new change by Blizzard. The CG cutscenes were fantastic. May even rival Final Fantasy CG cutscenes!:)
Ive only hero rushed once so far... my demon hunter versus the enemies paladin, i was doing fine until his allie teleported to aid him.
oya... and 24 carriers and youve won? defilers = dark swarm and plague with hydras, terrans = cloaked wraiths, microed battlecruisers, lockdown, goliaths, sci vessels (emp), protoss = microed carriers, mass scouts, psionic storm, stasis field (deal with only half of the fleet at a time). War3 IMO is still get as many units as you can, because heros just dont cut it like they should have.
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oya, and the ultimate spells are a joke, they're mana cost may be acceptable, but theire cooldown is not. Like for example, mass teleport? that should be one of the mages basic spells. Infernal is cool, but simply not powerful enough to take that much mana and have to wait so long, same with bladestorm. Death and Decay was from war2, and one of the basic spells of the death knight, now its a crappy ultimate... same as earthquake.
bah!
thats the end of my rant, sorry for those who liked warcraft 3. Its not a bad game, but it dosn't live up to Blizzard's standards IMO. (that, and it shouldn't have taken that long to build).
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Originally posted by NeoHunter
To start it off, I've got a very good question.
What are the cheat codes for the game??? *Hee*:D
press Enter to the send message to players bar (or whatever)
iseedeadpeople - reveals map
thereisnospoon - unlimited Mana
greedisgood - 500 Gold, 500 Lumber.
allyourbasearebelongtous - Win map/mission whatever
Use as you wish.
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Originally posted by vadar_1 Like for example, mass teleport? that should be one of the mages basic spells. [/B]
oh yeah, and you say you don't rush? if that was a basic spell, i could imagine the result... really, think about what you're suggesting, before posting.
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Originally posted by vadar_1
I've only hero rushed once so far... my demon hunter versus the enemies paladin, i was doing fine until his allie teleported to aid him.
You are the most lucky player I've seen. Hahaha...too bad then.:D Next time, come with back up.;p
Originally posted by vadar_1
oya... and 24 carriers and youve won? defilers = dark swarm and plague with hydras, terrans = cloaked wraiths, microed battlecruisers, lockdown, goliaths, sci vessels (emp), protoss = microed carriers, mass scouts, psionic storm, stasis field (deal with only half of the fleet at a time). War3 IMO is still get as many units as you can, because heros just dont cut it like they should have.
Okay...so 24 Carriers are not the best but they win most of the time. Provided you accompany them with Protoss Observers and Arbiters. But, they can be countered as well.
Its just that I've not seen 24 Protoss Carriers Rush being countered often.:D
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Oh yeah. And guys, back to the topic which this thread is named after, please? If you want to talk about Starcraft, there is a thread somewhere here. Thanks for your understanding.:)
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Well, I just got Warcraft III as a birthday present today and I have to say, WOW! The most amazing cutscenes I've ever seen in a game. As for the game play, SWEEET! :D I've never been partial to fully rotating/zooming camera's in a RTS cause it just gets in the way, but the way its utilised in WCIII is perfect. As in something I don't have to worry about, but can use if I feel like it. Everthing is rendered nicely, and the action is fun. Thats actually what I think about this game so far, ITS FUN! I really recommend it!
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vadar_1: What you've just said were the echos of what people said when StarCraft came out.
- took too long
- not up to Blizzard standards
- not enough strategy
- stability issues
People were saying them. I know. I bet people are saying that about WarCraft 3 in more places than one. My conclusion is that since Blizzard standards are not seemingly going down then its either:
- expectations are rising, without reason except human nature/western culture
- people like to complain
War 3 is an excellent game...a piece of art gaming wise. Will be with us for a long time I think.
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there's just one thing I don't like:
catapults still rotate by "jump"... :nervous: her...(http://forum.hardware.fr/images/perso/sweatv.gif)
her... ok, ok, I like to nitpick sometimes :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
there's just one thing I don't like:
catapults still rotate by "jump"... :nervous: her...(http://forum.hardware.fr/images/perso/sweatv.gif)
her... ok, ok, I like to nitpick sometimes :p
Huh???!!! What do you mean????
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they face the target so quicly they look like sprite, you don't really see them rotate.
other pb, my PC is so screwed up W3 won't run on it, I have to play on a friend's comp.
Not that it's the game's fault tho... :rolleyes:
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They rotate around and target just fine here.
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Originally posted by vadar_1
Blizzard usually officially releases cheat codes a couple months later. I was all hyped up about the game, and got the collectors edition as soon as the store opened. Really... it was a let down... the spells sucked, the units sucked, and its still got alot of stability problems. 6+ player games and people just randomly drop.
I just don't like many aspects of it, IMO Starcraft still has better stratagies availible.
Oya, and Worldcraft's trigger systems are just confusing
bah@war3, 5 years in the making.... Blizzard ****s up... just like Diablo 2... they are losing their edge!! And now with WoW... and no plans for Starcraft II, Im losing faith.
One thing: Told. You. So.
Oh, and another: Ha-ha. Blizzard fanboy.:p Dunno how you can stand obsessing over a game series that sucks so much, must be depressing after a while.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
One thing: Told. You. So.
Oh, and another: Ha-ha. Blizzard fanboy.:p Dunno how you can stand obsessing over a game series that sucks so much, must be depressing after a while.
its actually not that bad once you've played it for a while. Thank you for your flame.
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Any time.:D
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The only thing that sucks about WarCraft III is my cousin. (the BNet games I've played so far are awesome)
Okay, Orcs v.s. humans, he whines about my Farseer scouting out his base and he expands quickly to the second goldmine.
Alright, so I build several barracks and pump out Trolls with maxed out defenses but poor offense. I then do a feint on his south side to move his hero there, townportal to my town hall close to his second source of gold.
Ambush that with my full force, he whines claiming I'm using cheap "Russian tactics" and rants on how his fully upgraded knights deserve to defeat my Trolls since he *could* have spent that gold on other units.
He could have won many times if he focused on my Farseer with all of his offensive capacity, but no he focuses on the Trolls and my farseer summons melee support and overall clobbers him.
*sigh*
Of course his only defense is trying to rub in my being a little pissed about some StarCraft game a year ago at his place where a friend of his nuked me good after double crossing my alliance with him. (he blows it out of proportion of course, trying to justify himself with the lame story)
Then we go play a little Red Faction, first game he's owning my ass (Office Space, something like 6 to 16 was our score since I kept on doing suicide-kills), then the second map I'm salughtering him 10 to 0. All of a sudden "his headphones are having problems and distracting him" and then he quits the game.
Bull****, he's a sore loser in both cases :p
*Sigh* I've lost my week due to this "family" deal, at least I'll ditch him and have my life back Saturday... (I don't dare invite friends over or leave the house knowing what he'd do to my machine or stereo...)
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it works on my PC now :)
Happy I am :nod:
still have hardware pbs tho, now it's my screen, it's all blury :mad:
anyway, at least, now, I can play at home ( scrapped windows 2000 for XP, fixed most pbs - to those who like W2000: "her... yeah right :rolleyes: " ).
Warcraft is realy cool, and so damn funny ( I love the peasants, they're so dumb lol ).
It rules and I dispise you, Stryke9, who give your opinion while not even having tried it: opinion about something you don't know = ****
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I love the the fact that you can actually blow up Critters just by clicking multiple times on them. And when they explode, they really EXPLODE and the whole ground around them vibrates like jelly!!! Hahaa...and that stupid Demon Hunter is funny too when you click on him a lot of times. The last one is the best and the longest piece of crap I have ever heard!! You guys should try it!!!:lol:
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Originally posted by NeoHunter
I love the the fact that you can actually blow up Critters just by clicking multiple times on them.
That was already in Warcraft 2. :D That's really funny. :D
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HOLY ****! I just read about an easter egg in Warcraft III. IF you play thru the game in HARD you will be treated with a 20 second clip of Starcraft 2 using the Warcraft III engine! :D :D :D
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yeah right :p
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Yeah I know... Sounds a bit far fetched, but hell I'll give it a shot. :D
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uhhuh... rite... except blizzard officially announced no plans for star2. The only easter egg is the marine, zealot, hydralisk, zergling, firebat, and spaceorc (havn't seen the space orc). Only the hydralisk has sounds. You have to use the create unit trigger, manually type in the string hydralisk, marine, etc...
if you dont want to do that, heres the immiedate proof:
go to the sound editor in worldedit, under neutral NPCs there is the hydralisk sounds.
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It could just as well be some 20 second ingame cutscene using those models. Who knows...
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Originally posted by vadar_1
uhhuh... rite... except blizzard officially announced no plans for star2. The only easter egg is the marine, zealot, hydralisk, zergling, firebat, and spaceorc (havn't seen the space orc). Only the hydralisk has sounds. You have to use the create unit trigger, manually type in the string hydralisk, marine, etc...
if you dont want to do that, heres the immiedate proof:
go to the sound editor in worldedit, under neutral NPCs there is the hydralisk sounds.
woot, didn't know that. well, i'm not done yet with the solo campaigns anyway ( orc campaign, got crush in the 5 first minutes of a mission, I suspect direct defense is NOT an option against a demigod when you have less than ten units :lol:. I've seen a mark on the ground to the north of the map, next time, gonna build a rocklobber and... flee... through the trees :p )
haven't checked the editor yet, but I've heard it's insanely powerful, any possibility to import meshes?
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Originally posted by venom2506
haven't checked the editor yet, but I've heard it's insanely powerful, any possibility to import meshes?
Its powerful to a degree, but overly complex. The trigger system has a better layout then staredit, but its alot more confusing then it needs to be. You have so many worthless triggers that are just clones of otherones. 75% of the triggers are used for in-game movie making, but that makes it even worse.
You can however, edit alot of aspects of units, including adding custom units. You can change their attack, give them another attack, or take them all away. Give them spells, a mana bar, give them countless flags. Its like having an internal stardraft. The one thing you cant edit is spells or upgrades. You can only enable/disable them from use in the mission. This is actually a step down from staredit, where you could at least change the research time/cost/ and mana cost. I was hoping you could edit such aspects as damage, area of effect, color, etc.
To sum things up, worldedit sucks. And you cannot import meshes.
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Ok....against Centaurius...ignore all but the base in the bottom right. Build that base up and defend it well. He won't come for it...but his units will. But you can defeat them so no problems.
Instead...work your way north from there. Blast a path through a few trees and head to the healing stone or whatever its called (its been infused with Demon blood). Now you'll be able to beat Cenarius.
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
HOLY ****! I just read about an easter egg in Warcraft III. IF you play thru the game in HARD you will be treated with a 20 second clip of Starcraft 2 using the Warcraft III engine! :D :D :D
Yeah I saw a picture of it somewhere. I don't think its starcraft 2 though, just some starcraft units battling in Warcraft 3. I think someone made a map where you can use those units, but I have yet to find it
Oh and how do you get past Orc mission 4? Its the one where you need to get lots of wood
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easy: as soon as possible, go to the mine right to the north of your base, and build a mot of defense towers ( I built 12, in inversed U shape ). once this is done, go to the south/west, very small village to crush, with a very big mine ( 37000 gold at least ). build a few towers. then go crush the bear men, go meat the gobelin, and with his two mecha dudes, I didn't even have the time to kill all the trees of life or whatever, I gathered the needed wood before :D. The mission is easy if you start well ( once the fortifications at the north of your first base are built, well, it's just piece of cake ).
Icefire: how the hell can you defend the base at the south east? I don't even have the time to build 3 grunts before at least 20 black elves fall on the corner of my face ( yeah, on this base ). Well, maybe I didn't have luck after all.
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Yup, I played through it on hard. And there was a short 20 second little ingame scene with starcraft characters. If you want to know what it is: Basically a dark barren ground with a few flames spiting out, income the marines who inturn start shooting at a maurauding band of Zerg. The plow them down. Then from over the hill come some kind of Space Orc. Looked rather funny actually They had some sort of flame thrower. So they battle it out, until once again the marines beat the orcs. Though they did manage to get a few casualties along with a flaming marine. Then amongst the carnage a lone sheep walks in. It baahs, and explodes killing all the marines. :D
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Yup, I played through it on hard. And there was a short 20 second little ingame scene with starcraft characters. If you want to know what it is: Basically a dark barren ground with a few flames spiting out, income the marines who inturn start shooting at a maurauding band of Zerg. The plow them down. Then from over the hill come some kind of Space Orc. Looked rather funny actually They had some sort of flame thrower. So they battle it out, until once again the marines beat the orcs. Though they did manage to get a few casualties along with a flaming marine. Then amongst the carnage a lone sheep walks in. It baahs, and explodes killing all the marines. :D
space orcs? damn, blizzard games are really 100% inspired from both warhammer worlds, I always thought that, and that really won't make me change my mind ^_^
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Originally posted by venom2506
space orcs? damn, blizzard games are really 100% inspired from both warhammer worlds, I always thought that, and that really won't make me change my mind ^_^
Yup they are. One of the Orcish wolf riders even says "My warhammer cost 40K! Heheheheh..." But hell, theres a game they should really make. Or atleast like a mod for Warcraft 3. The original is too much like Warhammer, but to have a MOD for Warhammer 40,000 would rock! Thats the tabletop game I play. Though its kinda heavy on the pocket. So lately I've been just trudging along playing with my medium sized army. But I want MORE!!! :D
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Eeerrrr... someone said the cut scenes rivaled FF cut scenes... I believe you have to look at FFX. It has cut scenes that get you to drool. Even the in game graphics are wonderfull.
Example :
Warcraft III :
Cut scene :
http://www.warcraft.org/resources/war3ss/640/w3cs6.jpg
In game/battle :
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/screens/s13-xl.jpg
FFX cutscene :
http://216.40.211.9/gp2a/final_fantasy_x_lr_12.jpg
FFX ingame :
http://www.happypuppy.com/images/features/ffX_art/ffx-art-1wx.jpg
FFX in battle :
http://www.happypuppy.com/images/features/ffX_art/ffx-art-2j.jpg
http://www.happypuppy.com/images/features/ffX_art/ffx-art-2f.jpg
In my opinion FFX has way batter graphics. Although Warcraft has very good graphics as well I think they do not keep up with FFX.
This is just my humble opinion on the graphics... :p
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come on, what's that pic you're showing us? go and WATCH ( yeah, really, watch ) a warcraft3 cutscene before comparing stuff. I've seen them, I've seen the FFX ones ( I even have one on my HD mind you), my job is right into that kind of stuff, and believe me, it's the exact same level ( best exemple would be the close up of the king's face during the first human cutscene, when the... dude that turns into a crow appears before him ).
edit: sure, the ingame graphics are better for FFX. Of course, FFX won't have to handle a huge map with 180 units, 20 NPC and 80 buildings ( most of them animated, some even walking ) at the same time. To resume: you can't even compare.
Btw, Dark4ce, there's a warhammer game in production ( warhammer online ) and it does seem quite cool actually.
You play warhammer? Well, me too ( for the greateset despair of my wallet :lol:
I got: Warhammer FB: a huge orc army, a medium lizardmen army, a small chaos army ( I play only my orcs tho - so I lose every time :p )
Warhammer 40K: a medium Tau army, and a handful of space marines and zerg... tyranids I mean ( :p )
I also have a little mordheim band ( skavens ), but I never completed it.
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FFX cut scenes on the PC are not the same as on the PS2. Believe me. I have a heavy duty computer but still its better on the ps2. And I have Warcraft 3 and the graphics in the cut scenes may be equal but in game FFX is cetainly better.
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read my edit about the ingame gfx. ( and sure, the PC cutscenes are better, higher res, nah ).
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Before we actually go further on this... Have you actually PLAYED the game (FFX)? If you only saw a cut scene on your comp. you are in no position to judge the graphics of FFX.
If you have played FFX... Then just disregard this post.
EDIT : 20 npc's? Thats all? FFX has way more than that on certain places! And they are all interactive...
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I guess I should disregard your post ;)
20 is a number I wrote like that, I have no idea how many NPC there can be on a map. ( depends what map anyway ). and all the 180 units in W3 are more interactive than the FFX NPC ;)
Anyway, I was comparing the cutscenes, and don't get me wrong, I love the FF cutscenes, japanese peoples are masters in that stuff, but when I talk about the W3 cutscenes, I just see the evolution from warcraft2 to warcraft3, through diablo1, starcraft , diablo2 and the diablo2 addon. And comparing the W3 and FFX cutscenes is not a mean for me to say: "look, they can do as good, bwarf, easy", I meant it as a compliment for the blizzard artists, coz the squaresoft CGI people are a reference for me.
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Compare it, for instance, with Warcraft 1. Ah, how far they've come.
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I really don't understand why we are comparing RPG's and strategy games with eachother... they both have their ups and downs (though both these games have little in the way of downs :D).
I think you can't say FFX is better (So disregard the post i've said that in :D) nor can you say that Warcraft is better. I think its all a matter of taste.
:D :nod: :D :nod: :D
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Yeah. I like both games.
Venom, Yeah, I got me a somewhat small marines army (The Black Templar) and then the ever growing Dark Eldar! They're damn hard to use, but they're fast and furious! They're evil too, so they're alot of fun to paint. What I'm working on now, after not going forth with my Stormtrooper armour, is that I'm building a table battle recreation. Well, like a model. I basically got the terrain down, with a nice rolling hill, two huge craters, and a ruined base. All I gotta do now is add texture and paint. And ofcourse my guys. :D
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
they're fast and furious
My brother plays them, yeah, they're fast... to die :D
They're just no match for my pulse rifles :)
We have loads of warhammer FB BG elements, but only a few for 40K... gotta do something about this ( "no!!!!!!!!!!" screams my wallet ).
And celestial one: yeah, we agree on this :nod:
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Venom, Yeah, I got me a somewhat small marines army (The Black Templar) and then the ever growing Dark Eldar! They're damn hard to use, but they're fast and furious! They're evil too, so they're alot of fun to paint. What I'm working on now, after not going forth with my Stormtrooper armour, is that I'm building a table battle recreation. Well, like a model. I basically got the terrain down, with a nice rolling hill, two huge craters, and a ruined base. All I gotta do now is add texture and paint. And ofcourse my guys. :D
Ugh, I hate Templars with a passion. I just can't get the ****ers off once they get my poor Fire Warriors in close combat.
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Compare it, for instance, with Warcraft 1. Ah, how far they've come.
IMHO I enjoy WarCraft III because it does return to the roots of WarCraft: Orcs and Humans in many ways.
However I do prefer the much darker, Warhammer type feel of the original over the more cartoony in-game look of WarCraft II, III, and WoW.
It is funny that WarCraft is a more accurate Warhammer PC game then any of the official ones ;)
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Originally posted by Shrike
Ugh, I hate Templars with a passion. I just can't get the ****ers off once they get my poor Fire Warriors in close combat.
fire warriors? I guess you'd have the same pb with gretchins :lol:
space marines don't give me too much troubles, I pinpoint them with targeting lasers then my crisis suits teach them how plasma rifles hurts when they hit on 2+ :D
Ace: shadow of the horned rat was perfect. they would have kept the same kind of gameplay for dark omen, with the new UI and realisation, dark omen would have been awesome.
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Originally posted by venom2506
fire warriors? I guess you'd have the same pb with gretchins :lol:
space marines don't give me too much troubles, I pinpoint them with targeting lasers then my crisis suits teach them how plasma rifles hurts when they hit on 2+ :D
And how many markerlights do you need to pull this off? Sure it means your shots are really accurate, but geez, that's 63 points minimum per plasma rifle you bring to the table - or 4 marines. And crisis suits are by no means invulnerable, taking too many is a good way to get swarmed..... even by marines!
Besides, shooting marines up still doesn't solve the problem of when they get into close combat, which if the other guy has rhinos and gets first turn (which happened to me last game) can happen quite easily, and then...you're screwed.
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I have three crisis, each with a plasma rifle and a missile pod. they stay just out of assault range, hidden behind some cover. all my fire warrior shas'ui ( or is it shas'la? oh well ) have a marker ( one per crisis weapon ). Against marines, it's better to have a many smaller squads than a few big, so I can buy my 6 markers. during my turn, movement, the crisis go into firing position, shooting, the firewarriors designate the target, the crisis kills them ( and the plasma rifles with their range have about one more turn to shoot, which gives them one more chance to go through the armor save ). assault pahse, the crisis uses their jetpacks to go back to cover. sure, crisis armors are weak. but they're fast, DAMN fast :nod:
if this doesn't work, all my fire warriors jump into the devilfishes and go to the other side of the table, and start again. if I know the guy I play against will have heavy stuff like dreadnaughts or land raiders, well, I buy less stuff for the fire warriors and the crisis, and place a squad of broadsides. the hammerhead with a ion cannon is a superb space marine killer, btw. Always give the hammerhead seeker missiles, they're less expensive. as you'll never use this weapon anyway ( with the upgrade, you can move and shoot with the main weapon, so your opponent needs 6 to hit ), well, it helps you save some points :)
note: of course these are good only for melees, for scenaries, you need to adapt your army.
Overall, there's a lot of tricks with space marines, of course you won't always win, but for now I have a ratio of about 50/50 against them, which is excellent against those dudes, btw.
How do you play your tau, Shrike? I'm always interested in learning new strategies :)
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Originally posted by venom2506
How do you play your tau, Shrike? I'm always interested in learning new strategies :)
So far it's only been against Templars, unfortunately. :p
But I use a pair of railgun/BC 'Heads, a full selection of Kroot, a couple full squads of FWs, 3 crisis suits, 6 stealths and some drones. Doesn't work too bad, it's just that Templars are mean in close combat. :p
1500 points, btw.
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kroots, hargh ( I hate them ). Templars aren't too different from my pesky Dark Angels ( grin ), we should share knowledge ;7
How do your stealth suits do? I'm considering adding some to my army too ( we play 1500 battles too, for now ).
I understand you suffer if you don't have at least one devilfish btw, against h2h troops like the templars, they are very handy :).
you might consider breaking your firewarriors in 4 squads of 6, for a few reasons: you can cover more areas ( I love those long range rifles ), you won't have 12 firewarriors stupidly stuck if they've been assaulted, and, trust me, you WANT them to die on the first round of h2h ( the return fire on your next turn will make your opponent think twice before engaging his troops right in the middle of your army ). Of course, the drawback is that they'll fall easily under the 50% limit ( but who cares, Tau can still rally hehe ) and, more annoying, that might prevent your troops from capturing objectives ( but with 4 squads, the risk is... calculated ).
The drones, I dunno. I admit they're damn efficient, but the pb is that you never have enough of them :lol:. giving two shield drones to your crisis is invaluable btw, it changed my life ( love the look of your opponent when his lascanon and his anti tank missile both hits your crisis unit, are both assigned to the drones, and both drones survive because of the invulnerable save mwahahaha -ok, doesn't work everytime, but often enough so the awful cost of the things is worthy ).
Ok, her... anyway... what about kroots ( I hate them, I think I've said it already? :p )?
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Guys...back to the Warcraft 3 topic please...
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why? the topic was going to oblivion anyway.
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My crisis suit team (Shas'o and bodyguard) has a pair of shield drones, and each of the suits have shield generators as well. It's about the only think that keeps them from getting swiss cheesed by power weapons.
The stealth suits would do better if I wasn't always playing againts marines... the 18 burst cannon shots are fun, but it doesn't actually end up killing many marines.
The Kroot have done fairly well for me, they're much better in HtH than the FWs and are barely half the price, and as such are better blockers. The Shaper specifically is pretty good in CC, with 4 attacks at S4. But again, the whole '3+ save' thing gets me all the time, and the general lack of wargear kind of sucks.
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Originally posted by Shrike
My crisis suit team (Shas'o and bodyguard) has a pair of shield drones, and each of the suits have shield generators as well. It's about the only think that keeps them from getting swiss cheesed by power weapons.
The stealth suits would do better if I wasn't always playing againts marines... the 18 burst cannon shots are fun, but it doesn't actually end up killing many marines.
The Kroot have done fairly well for me, they're much better in HtH than the FWs and are barely half the price, and as such are better blockers. The Shaper specifically is pretty good in CC, with 4 attacks at S4. But again, the whole '3+ save' thing gets me all the time, and the general lack of wargear kind of sucks.
shield generators? mmh, I prefer to have the link thinguy to have two weapons to fire at the same time. with the jetpack, it shouldn't be that hard to avoid assaults anyway.
the stealth suits should be handy against the dark eldars I suppose ( against templars, they should be great rhino killers :nod: ).
The kroot, really, dunno. The few stats advantages they have is completly toned down by their complete lack of save. Even a grot won't have much pb killing kroots if he survives the assault. Their rifles are good, but I prefer to get a devilfish to run away when needed, than canon fodder troops ( the way I play leaves to place for troops planed to be sacrified from the begining ). Calling kroots a h2h unit is a joke.
I dunno what to take between pathfinders and stealth suit, honestly. Pathfinders have all those markers... yummy!
stealth suits are cool, stealth, have jetpacks, burst canons and a 3+ armor save... yummy too! mmh... tough choice. probably the stealths anyway, pulse carabins are pretty useless against SM ( they never fail their pinning test, and the short range is, well, short ), plus they have to cme with a devilfish, which is annoying.
oh well.
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Originally posted by venom2506
shield generators? mmh, I prefer to have the link thinguy to have two weapons to fire at the same time. with the jetpack, it shouldn't be that hard to avoid assaults anyway.
the stealth suits should be handy against the dark eldars I suppose ( against templars, they should be great rhino killers :nod: ).
The kroot, really, dunno. The few stats advantages they have is completly toned down by their complete lack of save. Even a grot won't have much pb killing kroots if he survives the assault. Their rifles are good, but I prefer to get a devilfish to run away when needed, than canon fodder troops ( the way I play leaves to place for troops planed to be sacrified from the begining ). Calling kroots a h2h unit is a joke.
I dunno what to take between pathfinders and stealth suit, honestly. Pathfinders have all those markers... yummy!
stealth suits are cool, stealth, have jetpacks, burst canons and a 3+ armor save... yummy too! mmh... tough choice. probably the stealths anyway, pulse carabins are pretty useless against SM ( they never fail their pinning test, and the short range is, well, short ), plus they have to cme with a devilfish, which is annoying.
oh well.
You should play against an agressive player who's trying to get you into HtH. It's not fun. And pulse guns aren't all that hot against Rhinos, you can only glance on a 6, which means you need a lot of shots. Generally I'm busy trying to kill marines with them anyhow.
And I put multitrackers on the suits as well, bodyguards can all get one piece of wargear.
Kroot are a good a HtH unit as Orks, they have comparable stats. WS4, S4, 2 attacks...
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agressive? my dark angel opponent is, but I manage, somehow. The main word is to focus on ONE target at a time. Believe me, even at long range, with 24 pulse rifles, you can get some serious damage. I don't remember, is the rhino front hull 11? Bah, anyway, usually, rhinos won't get through the broadsides. I still have to wait for the upcoming land raider tho...
Orcs have a save, kroots have none, that's my main complain about them ( orcs also reduce saves to 4+ max, which makes them effectyive even against a bloody terminator ). The pb, with the space marines, is that everything is tough as hell... your only advantage, you have more guns, and better ones.
Anyway, if you opponent can get in h2h in his second turn, there's no secret, you have to get devilfishes.
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Originally posted by venom2506
why? the topic was going to oblivion anyway.
I hate it when you're right.
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so do I.
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Maybe we should take a nuclear warhead from the HLP Armoury and blow this entire thread to hell.