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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Pegasus V on July 09, 2002, 10:07:25 pm
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One day I hope to make the ultimate game. But either way, I wanted to assemble a wishlist of what everyone wants in a computer game.
I've read various Freelancer wishlists and they were very helpful. But I wanted more, more, more. Please voice your opinions here. At the very least, gaming companies in search of ideas could use my wishlist site as a reference.
By the way, if anyone has any links to anything like this, please do tell.
Thanks in advance.
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Realistic Geo-Modding
Easily Moddable
Many weapons
Many items
Create new stuff
Upgrade stuff
Buy and sell stuff (blackmarket or somtin)
Extremely beautiful graphics
Let me think some more...
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you need to create a specific wishlist!! There is no such thing as a generic 'ultamate game'. It is simply impossible! What you need to do is say the wishlist for the ultamate ___________ game (insert genre or sommat else in blank space).
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Originally posted by Analazon
you need to create a specific wishlist!! There is no such thing as a generic 'ultamate game'. It is simply impossible! What you need to do is say the wishlist for the ultamate ___________ game (insert genre or sommat else in blank space).
What if you were to incorporate several game engines into one that could satiate the desires for everyone... Well, you could just put what you'd like in various different genres...
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cool. .... while we're at it, lets incorporate Star Wars Force Commanders Camera system, X Wings Graphics, Tiberium Suns Enjinuity and Jus Put the Star Trek Con Quest Online Game in there for kicks
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sry i can't spell and am too lazy to try, but in short, u can't do that to a game
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
sry i can't spell and am too lazy to try, but in short, u can't do that to a game
Can't do what in a game?
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yes you can!
you can have a rpg/action/fps/space sim/flight sim/rts/driving/adventure/ game all in one! you just need to let the player be able to do all of them!
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you also need 5 years to develope it, 10 gigs of hard drive space, a bank roll the size of detroit, and 6 different software companies.
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Originally posted by Carl
you also need 5 years to develope it, 10 gigs of hard drive space, a bank roll the size of detroit, and 6 different software companies.
Not to mention a new networking system an upgrade in computer technology and an extra 5 years on top of the already stated 5 years... But it can be done!
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Thanks carl, thats what i meant, i just felt like being an asshole.
i pay my respects to thee.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
cool. .... while we're at it, lets incorporate Star Wars Force Commanders Camera system, X Wings Graphics, Tiberium Suns Enjinuity and Jus Put the Star Trek Con Quest Online Game in there for kicks
Your kidding... right? that better be sarcasm or a joke or something....
Force Commander's camera ruined the game (homeworld had the best camera control with a mouse-wheel IMO), X-wing series had poor-ass graphics, Tiberium Sun was the same god damn thing as every last C&C game.... and I have no knoledge of ST games...
o wait... that was a joke... hahaha
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:D :D I'm glad you found it vads, didn't want to have to say anything i'd regret. ;)
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Every particle in the Ultimate Game™ should be rendered and interact with all other particle according the laws of physics. It should have support for direct neural interfacing with the character control engine and should be easily upgradeable to support advances in temporal, quantum and astro physics as well as a redundant engine to handle any simulations of subspace or hyperspace physics.
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The Matrix(tm)
:lol:
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How about...making it *gasp* fun! :p
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
How about...making it *gasp* fun! :p
Bah, all that matters is graphics and realism!!!!!!!!!!!11112
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I just want a fully realistic footie game - player voices & expressions, realisitc mud on pitch & strips, dynamic lighting, full lip synch, being able to give a half-time bollocking to yer dodgy centre half, multiple motion captures for random animations (more realistic movement), realistic hair effects & reflections (i.e. off the back of Franck Lebouef's head as he slips and falls, gfting a goal), names on back of the shirt, small boys in the park, goalposts for jerseys....sorry, where was I?
Oh well, you get the idea :)
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This is my idea of the ULTIMATE game... Its intially an FPS with puzzle and RPG elements. You basically create you're character into what you want him to be. So he can be practically anything, a cop, a soldier, a drug addict, a normal joe, anything. And theres this WHOLE Galaxy for you to explore in GLORIOUS 3D! So when you rise up in the game, get promoted, get cash, you buy cars, and even space vehicles! So now its more like a space simulator with all this action happening in space AND the atmosphere! but it doesen't end there, you could gain even more rank, run for president and even begin to build you're own colonies on other planets, so it turns into a sim city/civilaztion game with real time politics ala Node War style, however all the battles that take place are done by other online players who can control large ships like Homeworld/IG 3 or singular fighters like Freespace. Then if there battles on the ground, its back to the FPS aspect again when you're a soldier. Then players who are generals, play it as a tactical game with tactical readouts, however the soldiers he's sending to war are REAL players too!
But thats all for the action oriented. You could be normal Joe owning a hot dog stand or even a night club as players go there to chat with other players and basically hang out. Or you could be a detective solving a case of murder! All sotry lines and plots that take place on a planet and in a city could be moderated by some sort of dungeon master, while the more galactic scale conflicts are not in a sence controlled, other than the waring/politicising factions.
Think about it... you're a top assassin and the president of you're nation hires you to kill the general of the enemy. So you take you're fighter, fly to the enemy base. Gather information from clubs, sneak into the base, take out a few guards, then assasinate the general! It would be a whole other world! A microcosm!
However this would require ****LOADS of people to play and even more for NPCs. Not to mention the computing power and bandwidth... But its out there... This game will come one day... Oh yes.. It will come! :D
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RTS mit active weather mit infantry und armored mix, ultrarealistic properties such as effect of morale on troop, lots and lots of cool weapons, near-unlimited modding properties. Oh, and 3D non-linear with a plot that doesn't suck.
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
This game will come one day... Oh yes.. It will come! :D
If it just would... then I'd be happy. :D
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Oh yeah, almost forgot my other amazing idea... A survival horror game that is also MOSTLY played ONLINE... You're a top notch recon team and/or normal scientific team stranded in a research base/arctic outpost/space station that has been infested by a hideous alien entity! Now this alien can infest people and take over their minds, slowly digesting them from the inside, however you can't tell them appart from anyone else. So anyway, you're team comprised of other players should basically survive in this creepy world which is filled with PITCH BLACK corridors, with hissing pipes and lovely 3d EAX 2 sourround sound. All the usual hooplah is added for effect, however, this isn't a FPS. Though you play it in that perspective. You don't go around killing legions of aliens. You just go around, doing small objectives like turning on the air valves, or restoring the electricity. And as you're alone with you're single flashlight you go around the base exploring, every now and then hearing a noise, a scream, and some squishy noises. :D And if you're unlucky enough, even encounter the alien itself.
Now this is where it gets cool in my oppinion. See all the characters are played by gamers. YES, even the alien. With all their own objectives and one single one, TO SURVIVE. As the humans, you can never be sure who to trust because if you send them out alone, the alien player can attack them and infest them, turning them onto their side, who will then be on that opposite side until the end of the game. So when they return they'll have to convince the other players that they are infact who they are and not infested. :D So a hell of alot of paranoia will come into play as the game progresses with more objectives coming up, splitting up the team more and more.
So think of this, you're friend just came back from simply turning back the electricity, suddenly the air shuts down, and the team needs to split up again. So you and her go to the air valve as the others tell you how to get there via the comms. So as you get there, you step over dead mutilated bodies as you're friend strikes up a conversation. Then she stops and you turn around to make sure nothing has happened. She looks at you for a while in that dark corridor... Then he head snaps backwards and forwards and splits open to produce this ****ing scary looking thing that attacks you. You get infested, and slowly you're vision changes and you are now part of the alien team. Muahahahahahaha.... :devilidea
I know this could produce alot of team killing, but it would be an atmospheric game. And scary as hell cause you're playing with real people, and they're the scariest of them all! Oh yeah, and all conversation would be over microphone. To make it more personal. Muahahahahahaaaa. :D :D
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Heh, yeah, maybe... somehow I think you got that idea from Stargate, didn't you? :)
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Hehehehehehehehehehehehe..... Funilly enough I had this idea while I was checking out The Thing game... However, I think tonights episode did have some sort of subconcious effect on it. :D
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Originally posted by Redfang
Heh, yeah, maybe... somehow I think you got that idea from Stargate, didn't you? :)
or mabye something called, "The Thing"
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Make some kind of physics game that's like a cross between Sim City and one of the sci-fi MMORPG's. You fly around space and strip mine planets, then you use the resources collected and subjugated races to build experimental weaponry that can blow up buildings, cities, continents or entire worlds. That'd be kinda fun. Especially if you had to switch to a FPS type thing to set-up the bomb and plant it somewhere.
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Ok, lets say this ultimate game was made. Let's say that you could do basically anything in it. You could be a pro football star, or watch the game in the stands, you could fly ships, be a soldier, own Ma & Pa's grocery store or even be a city mayor... Many gaming engines will be put together to make the game and the game would have to be massively multiplayer. Let's say that you could also alter your appearance in every respect.
Ok, that's the setting, but... What happens if you die? You just get respawned? You character is completely killed? You can't have either of these. For the first issue, of course, there is no care factor involved... You want to kill the President and there's no way to come out alive... then that's ok coz you'll get respwaned a couple of seconds later. You die completely, and all that time you put into your character will be wasted and who would want to play a game like that? What we need is for some sort of care factor about your character, but not so much as to loose everything...
I had a theory of life insurance. You take out life insurance (paying a fee) and you could get respawned with your last skill ratings, etc. But I'm not sure that would work either. Any suggestions? Coz this is the biggest problems with today's MMORPG's (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Games).
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I was having a little think last night... What if we had a powerful enough computer to make a special sort of game...
The universe is made up of rules like the laws of physics and such. It also has elements that can exist and interact with those rules such as hydrogen, etc. A game is no different. You have a series of rules and elements that can interact with those rules.
What if you could program all the known laws of physics (and such) onto a computer and code in all the elements that can exist and interact in those laws. Perhaps, in a sense, you could create your own universe on a computer... You would of course be the god because you could speed up time to watch how everything develops.
This would be a great experiment also. You could run simulations to see if, under the right conditions, life can form and how often, even sentient life. Surely if sentient life can form in this universe with all the rules and the like then it can be created inside this 'game'. Just something for you to thing about...
But you'd need a powerfull computer. Something like a quantum computer. We're not that far from creating one now. We're able to 'freeze' a laser beam and stuff, which is essential to forming a quantum computer. (A quantum computer is something that substitutes particles for processors and microchips, to my understanding...)
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Do it like 6th Day, where you get cloned after death. Kick the player off the game for an hour everytime they die and respawn them at the cloning labs. You could have it so you could find illegal cloning facilities and respawn other places but there'd be a risk factor (like you'd loose a skill or some cash). Or you could make it sureal and have it so you had to fight your way out of hell (past cerberus etc) or plead to be reincarnated while in heaven.
And as for the computer universe thing, they've already done it on a small scale with real physics and you can play with DNA in games like Creatures. But to run a real universe in fast or real-time on a computer would be impossible logistically speaking. A processor uses billions of particles for each calculation and each atom in the computer universe need a calculation, so the processor would have to be several billion times bigger than any universe you created.
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Originally posted by an0n
Do it like 6th Day, where you get cloned after death. Kick the player off the game for an hour everytime they die and respawn them at the cloning labs. You could have it so you could find illegal cloning facilities and respawn other places but there'd be a risk factor (like you'd loose a skill or some cash). Or you could make it sureal and have it so you had to fight your way out of hell (past cerberus etc) or plead to be reincarnated while in heaven.
Some good suggestions. Except, the 'kick the player off the game for an hour' wouldn't be any good, at least if you wanted to make some money off the game. But I like the idea of fighting your way out of hell and stuff. Hehehe.
Originally posted by an0n
And as for the computer universe thing, they've already done it on a small scale with real physics and you can play with DNA in games like Creatures. But to run a real universe in fast or real-time on a computer would be impossible logistically speaking. A processor uses billions of particles for each calculation and each atom in the computer universe need a calculation, so the processor would have to be several billion times bigger than any universe you created.
Hmmm. Never thought of that. Thanks. :doh:
Well, that's just spoiled everything... :doubt:
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Although:
You could simulate the materials without simulating every particle. With some basic rules you could use blocks of compounds and elements and have the blocks react. Eg, instead of simulating trillion of Hydrogen atoms bonding with Oxygen atoms, you'd simply have 2.5X amount of Hydrogen meets X amount of Oxygen and have it put out X amount of water and 0.5X of Hydrogen. Do it by volumes and macroscopic reactions instead of per-particle with microscopic reactions.
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Originally posted by an0n
Although:
You could simulate the materials without simulating every particle. With some basic rules you could use blocks of compounds and elements and have the blocks react. Eg, instead of simulating trillion of Hydrogen atoms bonding with Oxygen atoms, you'd simply have 2.5X amount of Hydrogen meets X amount of Oxygen and have it put out X amount of water and 0.5X of Hydrogen. Do it by volumes and macroscopic reactions instead of per-particle with microscopic reactions.
Hmmm. Yeah that might work. Jeez. You have a powerful brain an0n.
My brain almost overloaded just thinking of the concept yesterday.
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Originally posted by Pegasus V
You have a powerful brain an0n.
That has to be the strangest way anyone has ever said I'm clever, and I've had some doosies. My favourite is:
Dave Tucker: Maths Teacher, Assistant Head of Upper School and Guardian of the retarded:
There's a very fine line between genius and complete insanity and you skip along it.
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Originally posted by Dave Tucker
There's a very fine line between genius and complete insanity and you skip along it.
:D
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heheh...running a simulated universe on a computer is one of the dreams of scientists today. ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
heheh...running a simulated universe on a computer is one of the dreams of scientists today. ;)
You wouldn't happen to have a link to a website involving this would you? :)
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There's a very fine line between genius and complete insanity and you skip along it.
Well i think i might just call you skipper now
:wink:
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Be able to freeze real time so that time spent in the game is not wasted for real life (yes people, a computer isn't everything!). :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Blitz_Lightning
yes people, a computer isn't everything!
:wtf:There is something else? :eek::eek::eek2:
j/k:wink:
That would be indeed nice to be able to freeze real time. :)
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You could also run the universe on a processor that was small than the universe but it would be proportionally slower. IE If the universe was 10 times bigger than the processor and used 1 billion partciles per calculation the it's run 10 billion times slower than real time and 1 universe second would take 317 years, 35 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes and 12 seconds or thereabouts. So it'd be pretty slow.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Well i think i might just call you skipper now
:wink:
an0n needs a new title! :D