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Title: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: est1895 on January 05, 2014, 03:54:28 pm
I have been looking at various Intel motherboards and some say Dual LAN.  Why would I want that feature?
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: jr2 on January 05, 2014, 04:03:13 pm
You could turn your computer into a router, with advanced firewall etc.

You could use load balancing and get 2x internet accounts for double speed.

Other things.  Google it, I'm lazy right now.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: est1895 on January 05, 2014, 04:46:09 pm
So I could use my computer as a router.  There are 2 computers in the house, but only one printer.  The next printer I will get is a Epson Workforce 3540 which has an Ethernet connection on it.  Could I make it so both computers can print even though they are in different rooms?  Would I have to use my computer as a router as jr2 suggested?
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Bobboau on January 05, 2014, 05:20:45 pm
Link aggregation is my assumption as to why this available
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: est1895 on January 05, 2014, 05:28:18 pm
The printer option is what I'm really interested in.  For example, Could the other computer get a Dual LAN and just run a separate cable to the Ethernet port of that new printer that I suggested?  in other words, one connection for LAN and the other for a printer.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Bobboau on January 05, 2014, 07:04:59 pm
I suppose you could do that, but at that point why not just use USB?
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Klaustrophobia on January 05, 2014, 07:26:55 pm
you don't need dual LAN on your computer to use a network printer.  i'm assuming you've already got a normal router.  you just connect the printer to that and it will show up as a device on your home network.  then you can map that printer to any computer on the network.

dual LAN is really one of those things that if you don't know you need it, you don't need it.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Flak on January 05, 2014, 08:21:30 pm
The manufacturers suggest that with dual lan, you can get balanced speed or just a backup if one fails. I am not sure you need that, because the high end manufacturers, like Asus and MSI, don't have those. Not even on their high end product line.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: deathspeed on January 05, 2014, 10:49:28 pm
My old DFI N-Force 4 mobo has dual LAN, but I never could figure out a use for it.  I finally disabled one in the device manager so I wouldn't always see the icon telling me a network cable was not connected.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: blowfish on January 05, 2014, 10:51:41 pm
I thought that kind of thing was used primarily in business applications where one might need to connect to two distinct networks.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Fury on January 05, 2014, 11:29:08 pm
Back in the days I used to have two desktop PC's with the other one acting as a server. Neither had two LAN ports so I used FireWire instead to connect the two since my home router could manage only 100Mbit.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: est1895 on January 06, 2014, 04:52:24 pm
So could I just run an Ethernet cable from the other computer to the new printer and have my computer using the usb port to print? I guess I would need a LAN card for the other computer.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Klaustrophobia on January 06, 2014, 05:45:17 pm
if you already have your two computers networked, then yes you can plug the printer into one of them via USB and set the other computer to print to it.  if your network uses a router, you also have the option of plugging the network-ready printer directly into the router via ethernet (or connect wirelessly if the printer is wireless capable) and both computers will be able to print to it.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Mongoose on January 06, 2014, 07:15:08 pm
Even I was able to get network printing set up via our wireless router, and I'm incompetent at network stuffs, so it isn't that hard at all if you have a network-ready printer.

(General note: plugging your printer into one of the router's input ports, instead of the output, tends to produce better results, i.e. something that actually works.)
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Klaustrophobia on January 06, 2014, 07:50:35 pm
the only "in" vs. "out" port i've ever seen on a router is the main internet connection from the modem.  all the other ports are just like a standard switch, there is no specific in or out. 
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Mongoose on January 06, 2014, 07:57:50 pm
Yeah, I think that's what I was plugging into by mistake.  It's actually a combined modem/wireless router, and that Ethernet port is supposed to be a possible alternative to the coaxial input we're currently using.  I was going all "RAWR Y U NO WORK?!?!" for a good five minutes until I figured out that I'd aimed one port too high. :p
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Nuke on January 06, 2014, 09:55:02 pm
its only useful for when you are bragging about your rig and used up all the useful specs already. in practice you end up sticking a wifi board in there and never use the ethernet ports.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Ghostavo on January 07, 2014, 11:10:39 am
its only useful for when you are bragging about your rig and used up all the useful specs already. in practice you end up sticking a wifi board in there and never use the ethernet ports.

It kind of depends on where you are. My motherboard has Wifi capabilities that I never use because the place my computer is located is bombarded by dozens of other wireless networks across the whole range of available channels, often (adding insult to injury) with a much stronger signal than my own wireless network.

That and my ISP constantly resetting my routers settings.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Nuke on January 07, 2014, 11:43:54 am
gigabit ethernet is nice and all, but when you live in a 2 story apartment with computers in every room, wiring becomes a nightmare. even if you use it you wouldnt need a dual headed rig unless you were running a server. sure you can use the computer as a router but why would you want to. dedicated router all the way (or at least have a switch).
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Ghostavo on January 07, 2014, 03:18:34 pm
gigabit ethernet is nice and all, but when you live in a 2 story apartment with computers in every room, wiring becomes a nightmare. even if you use it you wouldnt need a dual headed rig unless you were running a server. sure you can use the computer as a router but why would you want to. dedicated router all the way (or at least have a switch).

Again, depends on your situation.

A specific situation where two ethernet interfaces might come handy is where you have a network device near your computer which you already connect via ethernet to your (supposedly not that near) router and you don't want to have the trouble of having an additional cable the same way.

Or say if you want to transfer things from one computer to another when you are already using one of those ethernet interfaces.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Nuke on January 07, 2014, 04:05:56 pm
frankly i wouldnt miss half the crap that comes on a mobo these days.
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: rev_posix on January 07, 2014, 10:00:59 pm
It's been my experience that 99% of the people who have desktop boards with dual interfaces do not need them and don't have the supporting network infrastructure to make use of it.

Interface bonding?  Requires a switch that can support it to get the most out of it, and one is still limited by the ISP connection.
Failover if one port goes out?  That's a possibility, but the chances of a network interface on the board going out are pretty slim.
Printer?  Get a switch and plug the printer and the computer into that, job done.
Test network?  Sure, but setting up a virtual machine network with something like VMWare, Proxmox or Virtual Box takes less space and power.

Use cases for any system with dual interfaces are small.  I use them on my bigger servers as I use multiple LAN segments for traffic separation with QoS and VLAN's, both physical and tagged, via managed switches (HP Procurve if interested).  But none of my desktops have dual interfaces as there is no need.

As a matter of fact, I really should split it up further and add another interface to those systems so I can get better redundancy on the backend...

Anyway, as was previously stated, and no offense intended in any way, but if you have to ask, chances are very good that you don't need it. :)
Title: Re: Why Get Dual LAN?
Post by: Nuke on January 08, 2014, 01:08:58 am
i use my lan port to talk to an arduino, and to connect to my lazor printer. thats about it. though i have been known to install oses over it.