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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jr2 on January 21, 2015, 03:29:47 pm
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:eek::jaw: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873214/windows-10-will-be-a-free-upgrade-for-windows-7-and-8-users.html :jaw::eek:
EDIT: p.s., Important detail, must upgrade within the first year.
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Hmm. Can I get mine less cloud-y, less connected, and less of a service? I'm actually just looking for an OS to play games on, and it would be nice to have that directx 12
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Yeah, you just have to Google how to disable / remove those parts. Or download a version that's pre-customized like that. And/or customize your own install disk with something like vLite.
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...What.
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Yeah, you just have to Google how to disable / remove those parts. Or download a version that's pre-customized like that. And/or customize your own install disk with something like vLite.
You act as if these things exist for Windows 10, or are sure to exist in the future.
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There are... sources. If you have a legal license, then you shouldn't run into legal issue using a modified version.
For example, google experience edition 2003 dvd october 2011 ;) The Micro XP version can run on a ridiculously underpowered computer. There are 4 revisions: from Micro XP (kill all teh unnecessary things) Mini XP (k let's be able to run 95% of Windows programs, mmkay?) Slimmed XP (remove excess bloat and trim a few unnecessary services but otherwise standard Windows) and Full XP (let's install all teh things just the way Bill Gates dreamed it should be!
-- all on one DVD. Also has Server 2003 versions of the above options. Obviously, you probably only have an XP license so ... just use the XP versions.
Oh, and lots of drivers from DriverPacks.net are included in that as well (all-in-one manufacturer driver source without the extra cruft and installers, just the drivers plz k thx bai).
You can go to DriverPacks.net and make your own standalone disk or use it for slipstreaming your own install disk with drivers.
If you're going to customize XP (remove / tweak), you need nLite (http://nliteos.com/), all Windows after that needs vLite. (EDIT, vLite is now just for Vista, see NTLite below for 7 and above).
EDIT: NTLite (https://www.ntlite.com/) is now for 7, 8, 8.1, and 10DP, that has changed. And, The E, yes, as you can see, it exists for 10. ;)
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There are... sources. If you have a legal license, then you shouldn't run into legal issue using a modified version.
Legal issues, no. Technical issues, who knows? There is no guarantee that things that were safe for remove in previous versions will stay safe to remove in the next. Point is, I am extremely skeptical about third-party tools that promise to slim down windows installs while preserving functionality, and would never use any of them.
For example, google experience edition 2003 dvd october 2011 ;) The Micro XP version can run on a ridiculously underpowered computer. There are 4 revisions: from Micro XP (kill all teh unnecessary things) Mini XP (k let's be able to run 95% of Windows programs, mmkay?) Slimmed XP (remove excess bloat and trim a few unnecessary services but otherwise standard Windows) and Full XP (let's install all teh things just the way Bill Gates dreamed it should be!
-- all on one DVD. Also has Server 2003 versions of the above options. Obviously, you probably only have an XP license so ... just use the XP versions.
Oh, and lots of drivers from DriverPacks.net are included in that as well (all-in-one manufacturer driver source without the extra cruft and installers, just the drivers plz k thx bai).
You can go to DriverPacks.net and make your own standalone disk or use it for slipstreaming your own install disk with drivers.
If you're going to customize XP (remove / tweak), you need nLite (http://nliteos.com/), all Windows after that needs vLite. (EDIT, vLite is now just for Vista, see NTLite below for 7 and above).
All of which is irrelevant to the question of whether or not those or similar options will be available on Windows 10.
EDIT: NTLite (https://www.ntlite.com/) is now for 7, 8, 8.1, and 10DP, that has changed. And, The E, yes, as you can see, it exists for 10. ;)
Sure, but will it exist for Windows 10 proper? The probability is high, granted, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. Besides, Turambar's original quibble was about MS' apparent tendency to embed cloud dependencies deeper into the OS, it is entirely possible that they've built components that cannot be removed with such functionality.
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I guess I get 3 free copies of Win10. But bigger question is how much I actually end up using Win10, what with SteamOS, Steam Machines and Steam Controller release looking to take place at GDC in March.
Welcome to the beginning of end of Windows in the consumer sector.
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I guess I get 3 free copies of Win10. But bigger question is how much I actually end up using Win10, what with SteamOS, Steam Machines and Steam Controller release looking to take place at GDC in March.
Welcome to the beginning of end of Windows in the consumer sector.
Wait. Is this "X is the year of the Linux Desktop" again? I mean, we've been there before, and it didn't quite work out.....
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I'll let you guys (by "you guys" I mean most of the internet) use it for a couple months before taking a dive at it. You do the betatesting for me :D
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I guess I get 3 free copies of Win10. But bigger question is how much I actually end up using Win10, what with SteamOS, Steam Machines and Steam Controller release looking to take place at GDC in March.
Welcome to the beginning of end of Windows in the consumer sector.
I will reserve judgment until it happens. you are talking a massive shift in consumer thinking towards platforms with at best peripheral awareness at the mass consumer level
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I'll let you guys (by "you guys" I mean most of the internet) use it for a couple months before taking a dive at it. You do the betatesting for me :D
I think this is the perspective of a lot of people. Question is, who's going to take the leap first? :nervous:
Actually really hoping it's not stupid. A free upgrade on my laptop would be auuusum.
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I'm typing this on Win 10 Technical Preview. I'll update to Consumer Preview when it comes out. You have the chance to give feedback to MS this way, which should help :nod: Of course I'm dual booting with 7 (triple booting if you count that I also have Linux ;) For fixing MS overwriting Linux boot code, get EasyBCD free/home).
Really, guys, you should all have a dual-boot Win 10 partition and use it as much as possible, so that you can send your feedback, if nothing else... be feedback the change you want to see. ;)
When 10 is released and I upgrade, I'll probably keep 7 kicking around until I realize I haven't used it in 6 months at which time I'll probably get rid of it to save HD space.
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To go along with the dropped jaws, Microsoft also announced that Windows 10 has the interfaces for Holographics.
Was watching a live blog and when they announced it all the blogger could say was "wat"
Looks to still need some refinement, but still. They've been working on it in secret with NASA and I can't remember the other group for 7 years now and claim it will be out in Windows 10's lifetime.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873106/windows-10-the-10-most-important-new-consumer-preview-features.html
Cortana, Spartan browser, Holographic, Surface Hub, syncro with phones and tablets running 10, Office apps smartly adjusting UI based on screen size like 10 itself does, integrated capturing of Gameplay videos (+DX12 cuts power usage in half vs DX11), streaming your XBOne games to any Win 10 device on your network + XB Live integration into the XBox app, Continuum UI switching (previously-mentioned smart UI switching based on screen size).
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DX12 cuts power usage in half vs DX11
Ha, I'll believe that when I see it.
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This just sends up a massive red flag. I see a massive expansion of data mining, behavior tracking, targeted ads, and microsoft shovelware and forced accounts for goddamn everything that shouldn't need ANY kind of online/tracked account to use. Is this the OS that's going to start putting sponsored links in my start menu/desktop? And I'm on E's side with this one, I think microsoft is going to do absolutely everything they possibly can to make sure we can't get rid of that stuff.
I wonder if it will come with a mandatory always-on kinect.
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Really, guys, you should all have a dual-boot Win 10 partition and use it as much as possible, so that you can send your feedback, if nothing else... be feedback the change you want to see. ;)
Nah, I'll let you work for Microsoft for free by your own. W7 works perfectly "fine" and I'm in no hurry.
This just sends up a massive red flag. I see a massive expansion of data mining, behavior tracking, targeted ads, and microsoft shovelware and forced accounts for goddamn everything that shouldn't need ANY kind of online/tracked account to use. Is this the OS that's going to start putting sponsored links in my start menu/desktop? And I'm on E's side with this one, I think microsoft is going to do absolutely everything they possibly can to make sure we can't get rid of that stuff.
I wonder if it will come with a mandatory always-on kinect.
In related news, I'm flabbergasted how the nethusiatic tech press is marvelling at the Holo****demo they put out. No, wait, that was sarcasm. I'm totally not. I guess the media just loves to sell this microsoft vaporware **** even though they perfectly know it will probably suck big time like Longhorn did, like Project Natal ended up being. It sells eyeballs, so it's fantastic.
Regarding the adware and data mining, I just have to say this, they have to really really, but really be so ****ing subtle at it that no one but the fringe concerned notices it. Because otherwise, it will be the death knell of Microsoft. Like this article states (http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7869679/love-in-a-time-of-windows-10), ""We want to move from people needing Windows to choosing Windows, to loving Windows. That is our bold goal." [Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said] He's right: love is a problem that Microsoft needs to solve."
There's no faster way to **** on everyone than making everyone's computers into ad machines shoveled into everyone's faces. So I'm perhaps more optimistic than you on that front, but generally pessimistic at the long term prospects. Big Brother is growing up. Soon it will even have an AI brain.
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I think one of the first things I'll do if I dare touch this will be to start up Wireshark and see what it sends out, how often it does it, and where to.
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Really, guys, you should all have a dual-boot Win 10 partition and use it as much as possible, so that you can send your feedback, if nothing else... be feedback the change you want to see. ;)
Nah, I'll let you work for Microsoft for free by your own. W7 works perfectly "fine" and I'm in no hurry.
:wtf: And I'll leave it to you to ***** and whine about how MS just can't seem to get the OS right no matter what. :rolleyes: I'm not saying to go out and buy it, I'm saying, give them some feedback while they are still in the process of deciding exactly how this OS will behave and present itself to the user. Not necessarily bug-reports, if you don't feel comfortable "working" for MS (I think I've submitted a total of... 0 of those so far; this thing just works as far as I've seen). I'm talking about irritations with the OS. Give them a piece of your mind. If they don't get it right, well, toss the partition and be done with it. Win-win. Right?
For the record, XP works just dandy as well... :P
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For the record, XP works just dandy as well... :P
*brofist*
I'd seriously be interested in this if I was currently running one of the OSes in question (anyone know where I can snag a cheap/free legal 7 license? >_>). As it stands, I'll at least give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt on 10 and reserve judgement until people have done some hands-on with it.
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For the record, XP works just dandy as well... :P
*brofist*
I'd seriously be interested in this if I was currently running one of the OSes in question (anyone know where I can snag a cheap/free legal 7 license? >_>). As it stands, I'll at least give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt on 10 and reserve judgement until people have done some hands-on with it.
I picked up a cheep unused dell OEM copy with no usage restrictions from amazon, I think about £30-40 pounds sterling, In fact I am using that copy as I type this on my home build PC with no dell components
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Cheapest way to get a 7 license might be to buy a broken Dell / HP / whatever you are trying to run it on... not sure if that qualifies (transfer from one computer to another of the same OEM), but it's a thought. Actually, just a bad HDD will do:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Windows-7-Home-Premium-32-bit-64-bit-Product-Key-OEM-HP-COA-bad-HDD-/121550622511
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Laptop-2-5-IDE-40GB-Non-Working-Hard-Drive-With-Free-Dell-OEM-Windows-7-Pro-Disk-/231455444677
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Really, guys, you should all have a dual-boot Win 10 partition and use it as much as possible, so that you can send your feedback, if nothing else... be feedback the change you want to see. ;)
Nah, I'll let you work for Microsoft for free by your own. W7 works perfectly "fine" and I'm in no hurry.
:wtf: And I'll leave it to you to ***** and whine about how MS just can't seem to get the OS right no matter what. :rolleyes: I'm not saying to go out and buy it, I'm saying, give them some feedback while they are still in the process of deciding exactly how this OS will behave and present itself to the user. Not necessarily bug-reports, if you don't feel comfortable "working" for MS (I think I've submitted a total of... 0 of those so far; this thing just works as far as I've seen). I'm talking about irritations with the OS. Give them a piece of your mind. If they don't get it right, well, toss the partition and be done with it. Win-win. Right?
For the record, XP works just dandy as well... :P
XP works "dandy"? I still remember the shudders of having a XP disk, install a pc with it, go to the microsoft page as fast as possible, download the SP packs and just pray I don't get wormed in the process. Is that your definition of dandy?
And for real, there's little feedback to be made at this point. All the design decisions have been made so I would waste my breath quite frankly.
And for what I've seen so far from windows 8 and 10, there's very little of them that I am in major need of. XP to 7 is a sufficient technological and design jump (curiously, the biggest thing I love about 7 is how they copied mac os X's icons at the bottom bar, but in a way that makes a lot more sense than in the mac os, IMO) so that I cringe whenever I come back to XP, but I don't have that feel anymore regarding 10. Perhaps Cortana will smooth me with her chatbotlike manners but I somehow doubt it.
e: ALSO, someone could enlighten me if the "FIRST YEAR" clause to upgrades from 7 means we have access to Windows 10 for a year THEN we have to BUY IT at the end of it, or does it mean that we only have access to Windows updates for the first year? Or that we only have access to 10 IF we upgrade WITHIN the year?
Ah Microsoft, you're so good at marketing you don't even know how to communicate properly, wtf.
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XP works "dandy"? I still remember the shudders of having a XP disk, install a pc with it, go to the microsoft page as fast as possible, download the SP packs and just pray I don't get wormed in the process. Is that your definition of dandy?
It's called slipstreaming. And that would be my definition of dandy. The only reason I ever installed an XP CD without service packs was if I never intended to put the service packs on (never, to my knowledge).
Tutorial:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/slipstreaming-windows-xp-to-create-bootable-cd/#slipstream_service_pack_3
EDIT: If you have an OEM disk (driver pre-installed), I think nLite can still slipstream that (normal slipstream method fails as it's not stock Windows, so MS XPSP3 installer won't integrate with it).
e: ALSO, someone could enlighten me if the "FIRST YEAR" clause to upgrades from 7 means we have access to Windows 10 for a year THEN we have to BUY IT at the end of it, or does it mean that we only have access to Windows updates for the first year? Or that we only have access to 10 IF we upgrade WITHIN the year?
Ah Microsoft, you're so good at marketing you don't even know how to communicate properly, wtf.
If you upgrade for free to Windows 10 in the first year, it's a free upgrade. If you dawdle until after the first year, you pay for the upgrade.
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e: ALSO, someone could enlighten me if the "FIRST YEAR" clause to upgrades from 7 means we have access to Windows 10 for a year THEN we have to BUY IT at the end of it, or does it mean that we only have access to Windows updates for the first year? Or that we only have access to 10 IF we upgrade WITHIN the year?
Ah Microsoft, you're so good at marketing you don't even know how to communicate properly, wtf.
Probably it means quarterly, half-year or year subscription after free first year.
Similar to Office 365.
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It's called slipstreaming. And that would be my definition of dandy. The only reason I ever installed an XP CD without service packs was if I never intended to put the service packs on (never, to my knowledge).
Tutorial:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/slipstreaming-windows-xp-to-create-bootable-cd/#slipstream_service_pack_3
I'm not sure how this 2009 article will help 2004/2008 Luis' troubles, but I take your word for it. My point was that XP was a rough ride, and I'll always remember it as painful.
If you upgrade for free to Windows 10 in the first year, it's a free upgrade. If you dawdle until after the first year, you pay for the upgrade.
Citation needed. Sorry for being so skeptical, but all the tech news I've seen about this are unclear about the program. You might have some insider information on this, but I definitely didn't get that assurance from anything I've read so far on the subject, much to the contrary. For instance, Ars says in this article that "The company "hasn't decided" how it will handle upgrades from Windows 7 or 8.1 after the first year of Windows 10 availability ends"*, so what gives jr2?
*http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/windows-10-free-for-all-windows-8-1-and-windows-7-users-for-first-year/
Probably it means quarterly, half-year or year subscription after free first year.
Similar to Office 365.
IF that were to be the case, then, bye bye W10, it would have been nice to meet you, I'll stick to W7 kthanksbye
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A subscription-based OS is probably not going to be acceptable to most private users.
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http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-windows-10-will-not-be-sold-as-a-subscription/
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That PC Gamer article is good news. Very good news. I'll believe it 100% when Microsoft itself announces it, but you have slayed my fears. Thanks.
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I'm not sure how this 2009 article will help 2004/2008 Luis' troubles, but I take your word for it. My point was that XP was a rough ride, and I'll always remember it as painful.
2004 / 2008 Luis should have Googled harder:
http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp1_cd.htm <- article from 2002 or 2003 (Google search date range (https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+slipstream+windows+xp+service+pack+1&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=775&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2002%2Ccd_max%3A2003&tbm=))
Now we just need to find Doc and Marty so we can help 2004 & 2008 Luis with his troubles...
(http://blog.smartthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/back-to-the-future-delorean.jpg)
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For a myriad reasons I could tell you why those articles would not have helped me, but this is belaboring a point that I thought was already over. Today, googling for answers on how you can reinstall your OS is captain obvious, but it just wasn't ten years ago, at least for me. The shenanigans I had to deal with versus the shenanigans I had dealt before with w98 and MSDOS skyrocketed by orders of magnitude. Enough already, this is not the thread of Luis misadventures with Microsoft, ok? Thanks.
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Hmm. alright, it wasn't personal, :/
I thought MS-DOS was a lot worse as far as having to configure everything (IRQs, DMA channels, loading drivers in config.sys in the right order and passing the correct argument {files=30 etc}, and Win '98 was worse as far as having to reinstall more often and restart at least once or twice a day.
But I digress again. Glad I could at least ease your fears about subscription OS for now. :)
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Slipstreaming aside, you'd have to have the worst computer habits possible to infect yourself between a fresh install and applying service packs/updates.
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No, not really. At least not with an unpatched Xp install back in 2008.
See: http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2008/07/average-time-to-infection-4-minutes/ or see this from 2004: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/19/infected_in20_minutes/
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Yeah, there was a case of a modified XP that I was using that had the homepage set to the enthusiast's page that had made it. Nifty, right? Until like 2 years later... the site had been let go and taken over by rogues who injected a virus into it. So if you fired up your browser before patching, it would become instantly infected with no user action required. :ick:
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I'm pretty conservative with OS upgrades and will probably wait a long time to use this, even though it's free to upgrade from 8.1. At this point, I have everything set up correctly in 8.1 and it does everything I want well.
As for XP, you can't just get viruses from nowhere (and converjsely, security updates are no guarantee against them). A hardware firewall, browser script blocker and some common sense will prevent the vast majority of issues. However, slipstreaming is useful for things like preloading AHCI drivers, which are tricky to install otherwise. The main problem with XP at this point is modern hardware and driver support, but it's currently still usable with a little work and choosing the right hardware. I keep XP around for a few old games that don't work properly in 8.1 or in an XP VM.
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Just discovered Windows might not want to extend that partition because it's the boot/system partition. So you might have to use GParted. Could have sworn I did this once before with 7 though. Must be my imagination or it was another partition besides the system partition. Maybe I used another install of 7 I had at the time (on a different partition).
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For the record, XP works just dandy as well... :P
*brofist*
I'd seriously be interested in this if I was currently running one of the OSes in question (anyone know where I can snag a cheap/free legal 7 license? >_>). As it stands, I'll at least give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt on 10 and reserve judgement until people have done some hands-on with it.
Might as well just jump to a Linux distro and dual boot with XP for offline stuff. I have been honestly thinking about it even though I have Seven. :p
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If you do, I'd go Mint. If not that, then maybe some other flavor of Ubuntu.
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Might as well just jump to a Linux distro and dual boot with XP for offline stuff. I have been honestly thinking about it even though I have Seven. :p
No need to dual-boot, just install Windows on a KVM or Xen virtual machine. There are ways to use either to play Windows games with nearly native performance.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kvm+windows+gaming
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=xen+windows+gaming
Better yet, not too long ago support for experimental Direct3D 9 state tracker landed to mainline Mesa. With this state tracker it is no longer necessary to translate Direct3D calls to OpenGL calls, allowing native performance. There are plans for D3D10/11 state tracker once D3D9 has matured. Even in its experimental state, performance and compatibility has already far surpassed that of standard Wine. Considering the large number of big-name titles with Linux support already and many more coming this year, the future of Linux gaming is looking bright.
If you do, I'd go Mint. If not that, then maybe some other flavor of Ubuntu.
No, Manjaro. :p (Seriously, try Manjaro.)
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Might as well just jump to a Linux distro and dual boot with XP for offline stuff. I have been honestly thinking about it even though I have Seven. :p
No need to dual-boot, just install Windows on a KVM or Xen virtual machine. There are ways to use either to play Windows games with nearly native performance.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kvm+windows+gaming
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=xen+windows+gaming
Better yet, not too long ago support for experimental Direct3D 9 state tracker landed to mainline Mesa. With this state tracker it is no longer necessary to translate Direct3D calls to OpenGL calls, allowing native performance. There are plans for D3D10/11 state tracker once D3D9 has matured. Even in its experimental state, performance and compatibility has already far surpassed that of standard Wine. Considering the large number of big-name titles with Linux support already and many more coming this year, the future of Linux gaming is looking bright.
So thaaaat's why they're working so hard on DX12... a little pressure never hurts big, overweight companies. :nod:
If you do, I'd go Mint. If not that, then maybe some other flavor of Ubuntu.
No, Manjaro. :p (Seriously, try Manjaro.)
Never heard of it. Will research / try. I wish MS would add support for other bootloaders in this Tech Preview. I have to keep fixing my Linux bootloader (either by adding it to Windows' boot selection menu with EasyBCD or by using a Linux rescue disc). EDIT: to clarify, it will stay in Windows' boot selection menu once you add it, but I kind of like Linux's GRUB menu, just because it doesn't load half the OS before asking what I want to boot
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I had an absolutely hideous time trying to get an Ubuntu partition working in order to get a free item in Team Fortress 2 (don't judge me! :nervous:), and the only working end result I wound up with was incredibly slow. I'm not really looking to return to that any time soon. Plus I know 7 is a really solid OS, and I'd at least like to have it on the theoretical new machine I'll theoretically attempt to build in the theoretical future. Meanwhile this old ****box still chugs along on XP.
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If you do, I'd go Mint. If not that, then maybe some other flavor of Ubuntu.
No, Manjaro. :p (Seriously, try Manjaro.)
No, Sparky Linux: Game Over edition.
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I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop of mine. It works. But oh it's painful to use. I hate it, reeks of amateurishness all over it. Thinking of it, I haven't used it for quite some time now. I guess it's that kind of stuff that only really shines when you really know the works and so on.
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When is the expected release date for WIN 10?
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If I'm not mistaken, this fall. Probably September/October time frame.
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I've downloaded Sparky Linux: GOE, and i was going to wait for Manjaro to finish 0.9.0 before grabbing that too (even if I don't install, I like having nice Linux Live .isos ... they are sooo handy).
I noticed Manjaro offers XFCE (really barebones last I checked) and KDE (really overdone almost Windoze class bloat last I checked)... have either of those DEs changed much?
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Each DE caters to specific design goals, but you may still want to revisit XFCE and KDE anyway to see whether you like them or not. And if not, there are plenty more to choose from. http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux/files/community/
Some community editions may have slightly outdated isos, but its nothing an update after install won't fix.
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Might try to triple boot XP/7/10. :)
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Just install them in that order. But, if not, then use EasyBCD to put back the 7 / 10 bootloader, and then use it to add XP to the 7/10 bootmenu.
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Speaking of installing in order, I really hope you can install fresh from just the Win 10 install (rather than JUST being an upgrade like the previous discounts)
Windows upgrades have always been a pain in the ass on reinstall because you either HAVE to install the previous version then upgrade, or wrangle a bit to make it THINK you did that. I get they want to ensure you have the previous version and aren't cheating them, but it would be much nicer if there were a way to verify you own the previous OS and leave it at that. Something simple like fresh install "Enter old" "Verified" "enter upgrade key"
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Well, if it's a free upgrade... hopefully, yeah.
I think last resort you would be able to just do a custom install, with the previous edition of Windows installed == then the old folders (\Users, \Program*, \Windows) get moved to \windows.old (which you can delete after transferring anything you want and making sure the new install is up to snuff).
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I'm still waiting for them to completely reinvent Windows, simply calling it 'Windows' without a suffix, or if they're really confident 'Win'.
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I'm still waiting for them to completely reinvent Windows, simply calling it 'Windows' without a suffix, or if they're really confident 'Win'.
They sadly probably won't, because of brand recognition. Apple has only marginally managed to reduce "Macintosh" down to "Mac" (ala iMac, Mac Book). WinX would have a nice ring to it, but then Apple could yet again complain of infringement/confusion against OSX.
A reinvention would be nice though. Something to start on the ground up. Legacy applications are one thing, but legacy hardware/protocols are another. But they also tried that with Vista, if you wanted DX11. They're now trying the same with Spartan (Win 10 only).
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I'm still waiting for them to completely reinvent Windows, simply calling it 'Windows' without a suffix, or if they're really confident 'Win'.
They sadly probably won't, because of brand recognition. Apple has only marginally managed to reduce "Macintosh" down to "Mac" (ala iMac, Mac Book). WinX would have a nice ring to it, but then Apple could yet again complain of infringement/confusion against OSX.
A reinvention would be nice though. Something to start on the ground up. Legacy applications are one thing, but legacy hardware/protocols are another. But they also tried that with Vista, if you wanted DX11. They're now trying the same with Spartan (Win 10 only).
I strongly suspect though that a reinvented Windows would not be installed on our own PC, but on a server which we access, where not impossibly all our data is also stored. Strongly focussed on the know-nothing PC user, who when breaking their installation has to simply click on a wrench icon and the helpdesk troops instantly restore their data and OS. And when grandpa's darling grandkids break the copywrite laws, they can seize all data as evidence. Ofcourse it wouldn't sell to the serious PC user, but many elderly and small-time PC users seem to adopt the I have nothing to hide policy all too eagerly, while they also much prefer to be done with hassle of owning a physical PC which would need constant upgrades and maintenance. I'd dread the day that happens.
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So, basically like what workstation environments do with Blade style chassis-less "remote" systems where the workstation is a WEISS terminal with a monitor, ethernet, keyboard and mouse, only with a bit more of a PC. It would be a logical extension of "Software as a Service" to set the OS up that way. And I too shudder at the thought of it, but as with most decisions there will be a bottom line of interest involved.
I'll take an OS that I can control on my own terms (and the hardware to go with it) any day.
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So, basically like what workstation environments do with Blade style chassis-less "remote" systems where the workstation is a WEISS terminal with a monitor, ethernet, keyboard and mouse, only with a bit more of a PC. It would be a logical extension of "Software as a Service" to set the OS up that way. And I too shudder at the thought of it, but as with most decisions there will be a bottom line of interest involved.
I'll take an OS that I can control on my own terms (and the hardware to go with it) any day.
Hear, hear. :yes: