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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: MP-Ryan on February 20, 2015, 12:32:58 am
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...since Microsoft are jerks and yanked the open Digital River download for Windows 7 ISOs and replaced it with a new site.
To explain: I need a copy of the Windows 7 Professional x64 ISO. Microsoft allows you to download these by inputting your license key on this site http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-recovery and validating it. Except it didn't work. I spent the last 20 minutes with Microsoft support and the site doesn't support Family Pack License keys, which apparently mine is.... and they don't have an ISO they'll distribute through the Answer desk. Just lovely.
However, they did confirm that a regular ISO *will* work if it's on a Pro x64 license as well. I postulated that I could have a friend run the tool with their license key and use the ISO... the tech seemed to think it would work. Hence my request. The ISOs are generic and not tied to an individual key - would anyone be able to run the bloody tool, grab the ISO, and arrange to file-share it to me? (Since I assume no one wants to disclose their license key, even to me :p)
Would appreciate the help. This is idiotic.
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You could request for physical media as instructed here (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_7-windows_install/how-to-obtain-windows-7-replacement-media/f749fc0e-8bc7-40ba-8d8e-38572cbe6669).
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Yet another problem not faced by people who pirate the damn thing but which inconveniences those who actually buy your product.
When will companies learn that this sort of thing actually encourages piracy?
Anyway, good luck getting hold of the ISO.
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You could request for physical media as instructed here (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_7-windows_install/how-to-obtain-windows-7-replacement-media/f749fc0e-8bc7-40ba-8d8e-38572cbe6669).
I still have the physical disk - I'm trying to cheat and get the latest fully patched ISO for a reinstall is all, since there are some updates that you can't slipstream.
And I'd rather not pay taxes/shipping for convenience. If I must I'll suffer through the lengthy post-SP1 patch process; was just hoiping someone around here - maybe someone who wants an ISO themselves - might be willing to lend a hand.
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Head over to a torrent site, look for an un-touched 7 x64 pro iso with sp1 included.
Download
Verify MD5 with official one from an MS site
profit!
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I think I have one here.
Win 7 SP1 64bit, from the DVD. not torrent with "Additives"...
I'm uploading the ISO new and will link you.
It might take some time. for some reason my upload is running a bit slow now, but its on the way.
let me know if you already got the ISO.
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Tygger, does that have SP1 integrated? If not, don't worry about it. I should have specified in the OP - not looking due to complete absence of install media, but rather out of covenience/security
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I have the Win 7 with the SP1 integrated.
I'm about 50% done with the upload.
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Ok. Done.
You can download it here.
Please let me know once you are done. Its on my personal drive.
*LINK REMOVED*
Technically, this is piracy as no one here is authorized to redistribute MS software.
Please don't do that again, k, thanxs
Rev. P
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I think I have one here.
Win 7 SP1 64bit, from the DVD. not torrent with "Additives"...
No offense, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_functionn << basically, if you have a hash from MS, and it matches the hash generated from a file you downloaded (no matter the source, torrent, FTP, or ripped off of a scratched writable disc that you found in the trash), then it is 100% genuinely bit for bit the same as a shining golden disc straight from the hands of Bill Gates himself.
Of course, there is always a chance that the files will not match (in which {rare in my experience} case you can just try elsewhere), if the uploader is not reputable (else he would not have claimed that the ISO was untouched) -- it's usually easy to avoid wasting your time with bad downloads if you examine the uploader reputation and the comments section. (Of course, always verify the hash after downloading anyways.)
People tend to treat torrents as if they are cesspools of viruses that will attack you if you even think of them. You just have to use a bit of caution and common sense is all. ;)
EDIT: Oh, and that's not to discredit what you did, that was nice. :nod:
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Hi Rev. P
Thanks for the update on the link.
I was not sure about this since I have posted the CD image as it was from MS and not the serial key or any crack, but thanks. I'll remember this next time.
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Hi Rev. P
Thanks for the update on the link.
I was not sure about this since I have posted the CD image as it was from MS and not the serial key or any crack, but thanks. I'll remember this next time.
Whoops, yeah, forgot about that technicality.
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Your in luck
I've got a Win 7 Pro x64 ISO sitting on my hard drive, straight from digital river before it went down.
If you still need it PM me and I'll upload it and share the link.
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Hi Rev. P
Thanks for the update on the link.
I was not sure about this since I have posted the CD image as it was from MS and not the serial key or any crack, but thanks. I'll remember this next time.
Whoops, yeah, forgot about that technicality.
Yep.
Software IP laws are really screwy in the United States, and lately companies seem to be more sue happy than in the past. And since HLP is hosted in the US...
You get the idea I trust. :)
IMO, your intentions were good (hence just the post edit), and if the image MD5/SHA1 signature matches what's available from MS, I personally don't have a problem with it (especially considering the hoops that they now apparently impose on people for wanting something as crazy as a clean image of the operating environment that hasn't been bastardized with OEM bloatware), but we have to follow the laws of the land that the machine lives in.
Not that I condone it, mind you, but if you are going to do things such as these, please take it somewhere that isn't publicly viewable. ;)
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Yeah, that is kinda dumb since the image by itself is useless without the key, which wasn't included, which means that any user has either a) already purchased the key hence the license to use it was obtained by said user, or b) already pirated or will pirate the key / crack elsewhere, meaning the problem lies elsewhere, not with the CD/DVD image provider. :nono:
Ah, well. Stupid is as stupid does, yay copywrong. :ick:
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Hi JR2
I agree.
Working as an IT manager before and support engineer I can tell you that this goes above and beyond stupid.
Microshmucks have real bizarre ideas about what is right and what is wrong.
But forum rules are forum rules and we all must respect them in order to continue having this great community as it is.
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Yes, we must. Meanwhile we can also Pie Bill (http://games.brothersoft.com/pie-bill-gates.html).
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I've got years of practice on that one: beat 69 pies
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M$ took care of it... maybe they are learning. One can always hope:
http://lifehacker.com/microsoft-now-lets-you-download-windows-7-isos-with-a-v-1688039211
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M$ took care of it... maybe they are learning. One can always hope:
http://lifehacker.com/microsoft-now-lets-you-download-windows-7-isos-with-a-v-1688039211
No, they didn't. That points to the site I tried. It only works for a very limited set of keys; anyone with OEM or Family Pack Retail (mine) are currently **** out of luck.
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Oops. Sorry, just assumed it would work as you have a valid license; didn't think to check which site you'd tried.
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*LINK REMOVED*
Technically, this is piracy as no one here is authorized to redistribute MS software.
Please don't do that again, k, thanxs
Rev. P
The phuck?
Not piracy. The iso's have always been worthless without a key (microsoft made it that way). Microsoft was even having them up for download. We don't need to know why microsoft yanked the downloads (probably because windows 7 entered extended support and to get more people encouraged to get up with the newer versions; and microsoft has a history of keeping the things that customers really like as temporary...my likely theory). It doesn't even matter if you download a windows iso with yourself not having a key; it's still not piracy. It's only piracy if you if you circumvent the key requirement.
Get an *REMOVED* If you disagree with me about downloading untouched pure windows isos, then you're wrong.
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Not piracy. The iso's have always been worthless without a key (microsoft made it that way). Microsoft was even having them up for download. We don't need to know why microsoft yanked the downloads (probably because windows 7 entered extended support and to get more people encouraged to get up with the newer versions; and microsoft has a history of keeping the things that customers really like as temporary...my likely theory). It doesn't even matter if you download a windows iso with yourself not having a key; it's still not piracy. It's only piracy if you if you circumvent the key requirement.
Get an *REMOVED* If you disagree with me about downloading untouched pure windows isos, then you're wrong.
Cite?
Unless you can point to a web site that absolutely states that it's perfectly legal for someone who is not authorized to offer ISO's of Microsoft's software for download, we have to go with past experience and legal president that they consider it piracy (or at the very least a violation of the EULA that can get one in a bit of legal trouble). The only official way to get them in the past was the Digital River site or whatever MSDN used. What you linked to appeared to not be one, therefore I removed it.
Note that the web pages that have those old links to Digital River are almost all universally titled how to legally download an ISO?
Disagree all you like and debate it in good faith, but as I stated, unless you can provide a link from a Microsoft site that says it's OK, we have to go with what I originally posted.
No more links to download sites that are not Microsoft or officially allowed by Microsoft.
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My point is microsoft is wrong to call it piracy since it isn't, the treating of a physical and iso copy of windows without keys as gold (they're designed for limited use without a key, how is this gold?), and damn them for trying to make people feel criminalized when all they did was lose their installation disc. I doubt i'm going to find anywhere that will cite where it states that it's perfectly legal, because that would be good for the sheeple and not company profits.
Yes i understand following microsofts bull**** saying you can only get copies from an authorized dealer just to keep people potentially safe from retard litigation. However, if you download an untouched windows iso anywhere, what is exactly illegal for something that is harmless as this? This certainly is not illegal, lawyers and other higher ups have probably convinced enough people it is that maybe this is law somewhere. It shouldn't even be considered bad in the EULA. It's all about nickel and diming to make you think you have to buy a replacement when a disc is lost and criminalizing something so basic to computer use (getting a hold of a backup copy if you have lost your own). This isn't the first time a company or in some cases and industry takes to handing out mistruths for gain (my favorite is the purported illegalities of second sale (which is legal)).
I did take note to the fact that i didn't link to anything from an official microsoft authorized download (i guess you didn't take my note that i was quite well obviously pre-noted, not trying to be an asshole, i thought i presented myself previously in such a tone good willed obvious defiance). That copy i linked to works fine. Downloaded it before for fixing a customers windows 7 pc. I recommend just googling and getting a copy if people have lost their disc and just need to reinstall, or perhaps just copying a friends disc if that's closer by for it to be faster. I got into pc for a while, and I get into pc again when the need arises for someone without a disc.
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No, the point is that no one here is authorized to redistribute Microsoft software and/or IP.
From https://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/lic_what_is_piracy.mspx :
"Software piracy is the unauthorized copying, reproduction, use, or manufacture of software products."
Debate on if they are right or not to call it that is a separate topic.
Frankly, I don't care what side of the fence one sits on, this is what their enforcement groups use as their definition, and being that HLP is physically housed in the US, we have to adhere to it.
For the record, I don't consider myself 'above the law' in regards to HLP, I'm a proponent of open source, and most of my infrastructure at home is open source stuff (Linux, FreeBSD). But with that admin tag on my profile name over on the side comes the responsibility to do what I can to make sure the relevant laws and such are not broken within the confines of HLP, regardless if others or myself agree with them.
As this thread has run it's course in regards to the original topic and is venturing into opinion and possibility emotionally charged waters, this thread is now locked.