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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Blue Planet => Topic started by: Granite Hunter on March 12, 2015, 12:07:04 pm
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I have a report I need to follow up on but I'm having a lot of trouble picking the target out of traffic.
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Okay. I think I'm about as in charge as it gets 'round these parts, so what's the issue?
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Thanks for your prompt reply. I'm chasing a piece of literature that got misplaced on the way to an expert. It's not family friendly and my boss will be really angry if it gets out. Can you canvass around and let me know if anything odd's turned up?
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Ummm.
Okay.
But first, please prove you are human. What exactly is Blue Planet?
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And what if he is a Shivan? You won't help him if he is? Or a Vasudan?
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Hi The_E,
It looks like a video game! I just go where the reports are.
Thanks for your help. I've been asked to let you know that the faster we can shut this down, the fewer authorities we'll need to involve.
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Okay, so I'll need some more information then. How do you come to the belief that your documents, whatever they are, are here? Can you describe these documents in more detail? Can you tell us anything that might help us identify the things you've lost?
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They're not family friendly... I'm guessing it's porn!
But I am curious... how a piece of literature could get "mis-placed" on the way to an "expert" on the internet. Why not use email? And why would it end up on a forum?
This sounds phishy!
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I believe some of the material you're looking for can be found here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=42206.0), and here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=81197.0). I must admit I do not quite understand why you are following up on it now; I understood that the matter had been put to rest by local assets some time ago.
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I think I'll need to escalate this situation. The material isn't of interest to anyone here. We're really counting on your help, since we need to focus most of our resources on larger matters, so please try to avoid counterproductive blinds and just let me know if you spot anyone or anything out of the ordinary.
This looks like a tight-knit community! I hope I can make it worth your time to help out ;)
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:wtf:
EDIT: So, looks like somebody (not naming any names here) is doing a viral BP thing (http://0bin.net/paste/+d++bs0isx7JE5ml#7+DmSj36XE6PKM+9Ca6caV1hSTjmtfU5tM8nlYxm4lO) (and this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89320.0) is probably related).
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Granite Hunter, these groceries wouldn't happen to be casual would they?
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Oh, this is no bot. This is clearly BP.
A secret blood verb... (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89320.0) is a conversation between intel analysts. It starts with the automated translation of a vasudan text. The analyzer theorizes it's a conversation between HOL elements and maybe Khonsu (hol/kho). Then he asks it to be processed in a superior mainframe (red asset) but his request is denied. The vasudan text is strange, talking about three eras. I believe the first one represents the GTA-PVA conflict (of matter, hate of the predator). This one gave birth to the second, the Shivan incurssion (of simulacra (simulations?), hate of cancer). The third one I'm not sure, I'm no native reader and too many cyclic references confuse me...
The one linked by AdmiralRalwood (http://0bin.net/paste/+d++bs0isx7JE5ml#7+DmSj36XE6PKM+9Ca6caV1hSTjmtfU5tM8nlYxm4lO) is a Tev inteligence report. Granite Hunter has requested freeing the rogue pilots captured and interrogated in this thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=76120.0) (Arid, Burrock and Candide) for PR reasons. But another operative (Wizard Man) is asking the superior officer (Coldburn) to send those guys to Beta Aquilae for study. He wants to investigate the brain patterns introduced by Ubuntu forming since their knowledge of buntu economics may make them specially affected. By doing so, he searches inference into the Vishnans plans ([Threat two]). The more parsimonious handshaking codes might infer higher comm priority.
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(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/lapsedlawyer/popcorn.gif)
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The more parsimonious handshaking codes might infer higher comm priority.
I think the header/footer coded message traffic may indicate a handover by Federation intelligence assets; you don't need coded handshakes just to transfer an internal memo, after all.
The opening and closing paragraphs of the message itself don't fit the content and seem reminiscent of the sorts of messages encountered during Nagari sequences, leading me to wonder if the message was somehow intercepted through a Nagari-based method somehow.
"Red asset" sounds like a term for a CASSANDRA-equivalent of some sort.
The headers in the two messages are different:
RRR 8S8 III R IR AHN NA
CAN I GET A BIG HAND?
000 000 000 001 A A A
WIZARD MAN -> COLDMORN
Let's talk about the RCT group
UNU IVV N VO N V NV V
000 000 000 098 T T T
RATCHET MOTION
[...]
UNU IVV N VO N G RG G
000 000 000 099 T T T
CORAL LAAGER
[...]
UNU IVV N VO N V NV D
000 000 001 000 K O A
RATCHET MOTION
Structural differences could simply be due to the fact that one is a sender/recipient directed message while the others appear to be system-internal notes attached to a file (like the difference between an email and forum posts), but makes me wonder what the significance of "CAN I GET A BIG HAND?" is.
Some terms in the 0bin link that we seem to have found meanings for on IRC:
- RCT = Regressive Customs Tax (the name of Arid/Burrock/Candide's ship)
- COMSOLINT = Seems like it should be interpreted as "COM SOL INT"; either the group or single individual responsible for all GTVI activities in (or maybe even related to) Sol.
- SEF = Sol Expeditionary Force
- CINCSOL = Commander-in-Chief, Sol (Steele)
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I think the header/footer coded message traffic may indicate a handover by Federation intelligence assets; you don't need coded handshakes just to transfer an internal memo, after all.
Maybe a leak from Tev intelligence to the federation?
The opening and closing paragraphs of the message itself don't fit the content and seem reminiscent of the sorts of messages encountered during Nagari sequences, leading me to wonder if the message was somehow intercepted through a Nagari-based method somehow.
The problem with the Nagari text is that it appears within the Tev message. Are Tevs using Nagari for communications?
but makes me wonder what the significance of "CAN I GET A BIG HAND?" is.
It's the mail subject. His asking someone up high in the hierarchy to step in.
And I'd say SecCon = Security Council
Where did you get this text?
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The problem with the Nagari text is that it appears within the Tev message. Are Tevs using Nagari for communications?
That's not the problem, that's what makes me think of it as a possibility in the first place. The idea being that the message got these extra bits as a result of having been obtained via Nagari; if it were outside the message, that would seem more to imply that the Federation agents were transmitting the message via Nagari.
but makes me wonder what the significance of "CAN I GET A BIG HAND?" is.
It's the mail subject. His asking someone up high in the hierarchy to step in.
The subject is clearly "Let's talk about the RCT group", though.
Where did you get this text?
The link was PM'd to IronBeer on IRC.
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hey. boss here. first, thank you to everyone for helping us track the overspill. it means a LOT to our office to have a clear picture of what's happening. believe it or not (i suspect many of you don't) we're not in the business of lies. now that we can see what's out there, we know how worried to be. please keep linking everything you get!
second. you guys do a lot of great analysis. i have to admit to some surprise in the local branch at your tradecraft here. while it's a shame the first document is right out there, i want to personally thank all of you for keeping the second item off the record in a secure place. this is a patriotic thing to do but more importantly it is smart.
let's talk about what's going on.
the person doing this will claim to have the mother lode. they will offer you treasure. i read a lot of the classics and i don't think i have to tell you what happens when karla sells you treasure. except they are more of a used car salesman here, if i'm honest. you are being lied to and manipulated in the name of someone's cheap thrills, or, worse, their employers' agenda.
I want to reward all of you for your hard work and loyalty. I will reach out in private to those of you who've signaled interest here. We need to obtain information on this person and their facilitators so that we can render them information safe. In exchange I am prepared to offer a menu of declassifications. Would that be of interest?
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The vasudan text is strange, talking about three eras. I believe the first one represents the GTA-PVA conflict (of matter, hate of the predator). This one gave birth to the second, the Shivan incurssion (of simulacra (simulations?), hate of cancer). The third one I'm not sure, I'm no native reader and too many cyclic references confuse me...
The first calendar is a reference to the primal, animal state of existence; the second to collectivisation and civilisation. Not really sure what the third is meant to be: the statement on hatred, when you parse it out, just states that "there exists something that is hated in the third calendar".
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That account(Granite Hunter) seems a bit strange to me honestly. It was created over 2 years ago and hasn't posted a thing till yesterday. You can lurk without an account so my guess is he was busy coordinating whatever all of this malarkey is using PMs. Those "lost" docs only appeared recently, there would be no reason for this account to exist 2 years prior. If anything they're trying to confuse us using "leaked" info but this honestly seems too easy to find.
Also wouldn't be the first time somebody tries to take advantage of false "leaks". Don't forget Saturn.
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Declassification sounds good. And this makes me think of Phoenix. Though I wasn't around at that time, the ST:R viral campaign looks like it was really cool.
Also, the latest BP release was the 7/1/2013, so the account may have been created then to make a viral campaign that was later cancelled.
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Except it was created 6 days after the last BP release, on January 13th, 2013. What would be the point in making a viral campaign then? Even the most optimistic estimates would put act 4 around late 2014, and I'm pretty sure nobody actually expected it before 2015.
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Okay, can someone explain me what the heck is going on here?
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Except it was created 6 days after the last BP release, on January 13th, 2013. What would be the point in making a viral campaign then? Even the most optimistic estimates would put act 4 around late 2014, and I'm pretty sure nobody actually expected it before 2015.
What are you talking about?
Date Registered: 03 January 2013, 00:07:03
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Whoops, I'm blind. Yeah, you could be right, 4 days before release is indeed a good time to try and get some hype going.
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HYPE HYPE HYEP YOU MOST RELEEEEEEEEECE
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For reference before it expires, [REDACTED].
Edit: link to encrypted site, as requested.
This message has been modified to remove sensitive material. For further inquiry, please submit a formal request for information to your community managers.
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This is extremely disappointing. We ask again for your cooperation in minimizing the harm while we take steps to identify collaborators and sanitize bad information. Remember who stands to gain from making lies seem real.
While we understand the desire to make information a matter of public record, we were impressed by the discipline shown in containing it to encrypted offsites. We ask for restraint and patience.
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This makes my head hurt. Someone tell me when something interesting has been discovered.
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This is extremely disappointing. We ask again for your cooperation in minimizing the harm while we take steps to identify collaborators and sanitize bad information. Remember who stands to gain from making lies seem real.
While we understand the desire to make information a matter of public record, we were impressed by the discipline shown in containing it to encrypted offsites. We ask for restraint and patience.
Hmm... I'll play along. But maybe I'd be more willing to collaborate if I knew where your allegiance are...
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I mean, it seems pretty cut-and-dry that they're GTVA.
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Yep, I had another theory going on but it really doesn't make much sense in retrospective. That's why I've complied.
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GTVI suits, to be exact. Though something still seems fishy about randomly "losing your docs on your way to an expert". You don't make open threads asking for files you don't want found. Surely it would've been easier to just PM the first "person in charge" instead of asking about it publicly.
"Declassification" my ass. He'll probably feed us some encrypted drivel and then use our analysis for his reports. Does the GTVI hire lazy interns fresh from the academy or what?
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They want the one among us that can decipher it to recruit them. It will not work, Battuarius!
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Members of your community have volunteered to help isolate collaborators and sanitize the situation. A team leader has been selected and action is now underway. We will do our utmost to keep the process transparent and inclusive. We're all in this fight together.
As thanks for stepping up, and for redacting the information overspill in this thread, we have elected to declassify the following documents.
OCAC Expedient
TIA Rapid Exemption
Candidate 616A9707YBPTR
Subspace Systems Command, Strategic Navigation Research Initiative
SADABA YEAR went into early stand-down after an internal event and the loss of some assets and personnel. However, unexpected post-mission applications across the last six months have driven an explosive knowledge footprint. Although primarily of intellectual interest, this new footprint could be mined for strategic intelligence.
At the requests of SSC thought leaders we have prepared an extremely brief precis.
Introduction
Cosmological study with conventional instruments has determined that the universe is spatially infinite, flat, and unbounded. Most importantly, the universe appears isotropic in all directions: the same laws, dynamics, and high-level structures prevail. However, the historically recent discovery of subspace opens new cosmological questions. Due to the importance of subspace navigation technology, applied subspace mathematics and computational subspace dynamics are now well understood. But due to the expense and limited utility of non-navigational subspace instruments (NNSI), broader questions have been neglected.
Summary Findings
The stand-down of SADABA YEAR left SNRI with a number of sophisticated sensor assets that were applied to scientific questions with assumption of retroactive authorization. Investigation has produced preliminary evidence for major breaches of isotropy in the subspace domain. Puzzlingly, follow-up investigation of cosmological data detects signs of teleonomy in some traits of the space/subspace interface. SNRI requests additional funding and access to strategic computational assets to determine whether these findings may be of military interest.
Specific Findings
The physical universe can be described as a subset manifold of subspace — traditionally, a bubble or sheet adrift in a larger space. Active battery transits conducted with SADABA YEAR surplus NNSI detected adjacent manifolds, supporting Bardakci et al. and numerous others.
Teleonomic inference detects tantalizing similarities in the organization of these manifolds, from high-level symmetry breaks down to astronomical structure. The similarity may continue to smaller scales. Inference suggests shared causal history until a time, tau-break, within the past several billion years (present inclusive). These nearby manifolds may be identical to or only minimally divergent from our own.
NNSI wake sensors detect subspace transit activity between these manifolds. This opens the possibility of causal action between manifolds. The origin and provenance of these transits are unknown but see Centaur/transit 21. Depending on the degree of causal drift since tau-break, observation of nearby manifolds may provide previously unavailable data on historical counterfactuals.
Initial active battery transits detected a local comoving constellation and echos of other structures at the same scale beyond the horizon of instrument resolution.
Repeated active battery transits detected a massive isotropy break within the local subspace volume. Team members nicknamed the direction of this break the 'wow vector' due to the unexpected magnitude and statistical significance of the signal. Local manifolds appear to be moving away from this vector in a loose dispersal constellation. The wow vector may represent a historical origin point and a possible reason for shared causal history.
Some team members suggest that refraction patterns and probability slopes along the wow vector are evidence of manifold necrosis.
After mathematical work outside the scope of this precis, data from NNSI investigation of the wow vector was applied to teleonomic analysis of the space/subspace interface. Results suggest traumatic isolation of our manifold from a larger structure within the cosmological timeline. However, REDTEAM counteranalysis argues that this is in fact a reverse-read of an earlier event in which multiple manifolds joined.
Teleonomic analysis of the joining and isolation events may suggest an engineered event (but see REDTEAM 8.8b).
Peripherally, SNRI teleonomic analysis of structures in the Lanieakea supercluster suggest the presence of an engineered object of unprecedented magnitude. Unfortunately, neither the funding nor manpower for further analysis of this signal has yet determined itself necessary.
Strategic Impact
Further investigation of the local structure of subspace may provide insight into the role of intelligent life in the development of the universe and the challenges it may have encountered. We hope the strategic ramifications require no further emphasis.
Special Thanks
The team would like to thank Li Weng for her extraordinarily diligent support, Djau for exemplary organization and context services, and the casualties of SADABA YEAR for their faithful service in the face of unimaginable challenges.
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Hey, uh, random question, just a hobbyist matter really: none of the SADABA YEAR casualties were flying a Pegasus, were they?
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Mailed in two proofs of purchase from Ubunt-O's cereal for decoder ring and I'm ready to do my part
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Is this about paralell realities?
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Yeah; it's investigating what was going on with the parallel universe in AoA.
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I'm still none-the-wiser. :confused:
Is this a hype thread for Act 4?
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It seems to be more some kind of ARG.
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EDIT: Okay, gave stuff a read.
Deff. linked to AoA and the transitional event mentioned in UT. (Could the shivans and vishnans have the ability to kill off universes? or push healthy ones away form others that might kill them off through a destructive influence? [example: the ancient genocidal empire start jumping into alternate ones]
This is exciting! I wonder what we can come up with...
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Bonus points for being an ARG (apparently) discussing the ramifications of alternate realities' creation and/or destruction.
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Ok look, I need to get this down on the boards before I forget. I can make a more coherent post later I just... need to get the idea out.
The document declassified in this thread seems to be dealing a lot with parallel universes, or "manifolds" in this case. It seems like NNSI got their data from the 14th battle group's adventures in AoA. (or from the Transcend? who may actually be BP canon?? idk if his appearance was just an homage or literally canon to the setting, I mean I figured Mr. Snuggles was just a joke...).
Anyhow the main thing catching my eye at first was the references to manifold necrosis. There seems to be a lot of references to the universe dying in BP. The shivan communications seen in nagari-space in UT2 make reference to inflammation and ontovoric events impending. The techroom description for the Great Darkness raises the question of, if humans and vasudans and such can arise... then where the hell is everyone else? Did they die out? Are we just flukes? It doesn't make sense.
In light of this tone in the aforementioned document, I raised the question in IRC: why do we even care about the fate of Laporte or the UEF or even all of intelligent life in OUR universe, if they can just bugger off to some other universe if things go sour. Not that they have the tech to do so, just that parallel universes are firmly within the narrative possibility of the BP setting. And the gentle hinting from a dev in response was along the lines of "why didn't someone from a happy peaceful universe go and rescue the Sanctuary?" Let that sink in for a bit...
It's pretty well supported by now (or at least heavily implied) that the 14th BG's trip to the Sanctuary universe was orchestrated by the Vishnans. And they got their fifty years after the fact. With the destruction of Capella and now war in Sol, "our" universe isn't exactly a happy one. Couldn't they have tapped someone else to save the Sanctuary? Clearly not. So... what if that means ours IS the best universe? That with all the manifold necrosis and ontovoric acataleptic events we're aware of, every other outcome is worse? I think this raises the stakes dramatically.
Consider the Dawn War and references to the cosmos being "burned clean." Think about our manifold being "traumatically isolated." I'm speculating that the horrible destruction alluded to in the past wasn't limited to just our universe, but was in fact some kind of multiversal purge of all life, with the Great Darkness being it's actual manifestation. Something that finds you and kills you just by thinking about it. Something that automatically and by definition prevents intelligence from occurring at all. And now the Vishnans and maybe the Shivans too have isolated our universe to try and protect it.
Furthermore the document talks a lot about "loss of isotropy." If you don't know "isotropic" basically means "the same in all directions," which is how the universe actually is IRL, as far as we know. The laws of physics and structure of the universe are the same everywhere. There's no center or edge. There's nowhere with more gravity or matter or whatever, it's all about the same on large scales. So but what if it wasn't? If this lack of isotropy is just in some unseen subspatial dimension for story purposes, then that's all well and good, and it's some cool technobabble. But what if it's literally implying that the Milky Way, or even just GTVA territory is unique out of the WHOLE UNIVERSE?
Where I'm going with this is: our universe and potentially just our little sliver of space is THE LAST STAND FOR ALL LIFE EVERYWHERE FOREVER!!!!
Sleep tight.
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Btw, is the "Red Asset" comparable in any way to CASSANDRA?
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I'm afraid to report that all information herein documented is classified omega 9.9, which means that all eyes who have seen them must be terminated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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Peripherally, SNRI teleonomic analysis of structures in the Lanieakea supercluster suggest the presence of an engineered object of unprecedented magnitude. Unfortunately, neither the funding nor manpower for further analysis of this signal has yet determined itself necessary.
Is this a reference to the Great Attractor? Wut. You guys are saying you found Bolder's Ring???
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Btw, is the "Red Asset" comparable in any way to CASSANDRA?
Found the answer to my question:
If someone in my analysis team tells me that the red asset is not just the future of data processing but the future of government, or that the words 'subspace aspect swarm' are the only way for us to survive and compete, I need to listen.
Subspace aspect swarm implies a hive-mind much like Al-Dawa or Ken. And "red" could imply that they are using a Shivan body just like how CASSANDRA does. But it also seems that they're making projections for what it can do rather than discussing what it already has done. On the other hand, the Feds have already constructed a hive-mind using it (Al-Dawa).
In other words, seems that CASSANDRA is well ahead by far of whatever system the Tevs have.
Thought 2:
Its become clear from the leaked intel that GTI also posses the ability to pick up on Nagari communications. If the Feds considered Ken's brief interactions with Laporte to be huge prior to her time with Fed Intel - imagine just how powerful the signal must have been from Laporte's entry into the Shivan Nagari network.
Would be interesting to know the GTI reaction to that signal - besides them crapping their pants....
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I'm wondering... if the universes split occurred recently... could that be Capella? Maybe Bosch signal was not only heard by Shivans but by the Great Darkness as well. In that case, Shivans might have decided to get hold of the device and blow the star to separate our current universe from an infected manifold. Hence why Fedayeen and GTVI playing with Nagari stuff is so sensitive.
Also, I'm not sold on the Vishnans just wanting to save the Sanctuary crew. If they brought them to our reality, they have a purpose (other than helping with the indoctrination of Bei). There are nagari sensitives in there, from a universe who might be compromise by the GD... they look dangerous to me.
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It wasn't recently, it was 5 billion years ago.
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It wasn't recently, it was 5 billion years ago.
It says "[...] until a time, tau-break, within the past several billion years (present inclusive)." It may have been recent. Unless I'm missing another quote.
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It's in UT2. 5x10^9
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Tau-break isn't an isolated occurrence. It has happened dozens if not millions of times, and the GTVA is aware of a multitude of other eventualities. Some of them align much closer than others. Tau-break for the Sanctuary occurred during the attack on the Lucifer.
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I dunno, tau-break definitely sounds singular to me. Especially given the coincidence with the event mentioned in UT2.
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I interpreted that as each individual universe having its own tau-break.
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Tau-break is singular because each alternate only has one tau-break with this eventuality.
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"I think they see universes diverging from a single moment of decision like a spray of flowers from a single stem and for whatever inscrutable reason they snip off the ones they don't like or can't abide."
From relay3.
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Stems can have buds at different points along the length.
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'diverging from a single moment of decision'
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Are you really trying to say that there is only one moment of decision in the entire history of the universe?
Note the repeated usage of the word "single" to refer to "moment of decision" and "stem", when plants (can) have many stems. The usage is not literal; which is to say, it does not mean "the only moment of decision that matters".