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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: MP-Ryan on May 31, 2015, 11:25:24 pm
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A recent Windows update has deployed a reservation for the Windows 10 upgrade. Colour me excited.
In an amusing twist, though, MS appears to have rushed this so much that they linked to a FAQ from the reservation system, but forgot to actually put a FAQ there. "Page does not exist." LOL.
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New Egg is adding to the madness taking Pre-Orders for a August 31st release
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/windows-10-oem-pricing-release-date-leaked-online/
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Seriously considering applying the upgrade to my Windows 8 laptop. Not touching the Windows 7 desktop, that stays as is
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/1/8511287/microsoft-windows-10-release-date-july
Microsoft promised to launch Windows 10 in the summer, and now the company is revealing an exact date: July 29th.
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Seriously considering applying the upgrade to my Windows 8 laptop. Not touching the Windows 7 desktop, that stays as is
You can reserve the upgrade and not install it immediately.
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Seriously considering applying the upgrade to my Windows 8 laptop. Not touching the Windows 7 desktop, that stays as is
You can reserve the upgrade and not install it immediately.
Yer thats what I am thinking, see if there are any significant to me issues on launch and then install
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Agree with deathfun. It'll go on my laptop (can hardly be worse than 8), but it's not touching my win 7 desktop.
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I'll try it out on the laptop, too. It will go on desktop if it passes muster there. I'd very much like to switch to Windows 10, a computer upgrade would be in order sometime after that, too.
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Okay now someone get me 7 so I can waffle back and forth on 10. :p
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My friend actually brought up a good question, one that currently doesn't have an answer
Alright, so you have your computer with 7 or 8, but you upgrade it to 10. A year goes by for the whole time period that you can get it for free and whatnot, but what happens is that your computer dies. Are you able to reapply Windows 10 through the store, or will you have to flash the drive prior to **** hitting the fan?
Not everyone creates a back up
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If you have to buy one anyway, I would just stick with 7. The only reason I'm considering 10 at all is because it's free, and looks like it might be a marginal improvement on 8.1. 8.2 perhaps.
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Windows 8 and newer have two reset options. The first reinstalls the operating system, but leaves your stuff alone. You don't need to reinstall any software and your files are safe. The second option option has three sub-options.
1) Securely erase everything and reinstall operating system.
2) Same as the first option, but without secure erase.
3) Erase system drive only and reinstall operating system. Other partitions are left alone. Meaning you should copy your stuff from C: to another drive if you want to keep them.
No need to use external media for reinstall as long as you don't replace your system drive. But if that does happen, you should be able to use your free Win10 license key to reinstall from external media (DVD/Flash) by downloading image from MS. There should also be no restrictions on what computers you can install your copy of Win10 on, it's the same as if you went to buy a copy of Win10 from a local store. That's the way it worked for Win8 and I don't see any reason it'd be different for Win10.
Also, having used Win10 beta builds for a good while now, I can say that your "Mah Win7 puters will be left bloody alone" comments are ridiculous. Get on with times people. We don't want Win7 to be yet another WinXP. Especially when Win10 is given away for free. You didn't like Win8, that's fine. You have nothing to fear as far as Win10 and desktops are concerned.
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Windows 8 and newer have two reset options. The first reinstalls the operating system, but leaves your stuff alone. You don't need to reinstall any software and your files are safe. The second option option has three sub-options.
1) Securely erase everything and reinstall operating system.
2) Same as the first option, but without secure erase.
3) Erase system drive only and reinstall operating system. Other partitions are left alone. Meaning you should copy your stuff from C: to another drive if you want to keep them.
No need to use external media for reinstall as long as you don't replace your system drive. But if that does happen, you should be able to use your free Win10 license key to reinstall from external media (DVD/Flash) by downloading image from MS. There should also be no restrictions on what computers you can install your copy of Win10 on, it's the same as if you went to buy a copy of Win10 from a local store. That's the way it worked for Win8 and I don't see any reason it'd be different for Win10.
Also, having used Win10 beta builds for a good while now, I can say that your "Mah Win7 puters will be left bloody alone" comments are ridiculous. Get on with times people. We don't want Win7 to be yet another WinXP. Especially when Win10 is given away for free. You didn't like Win8, that's fine. You have nothing to fear as far as Win10 and desktops are concerned.
While all of these are handy, I'd never *ever* rely on these features alone. Why? You're a single hard-drive failure away from loosing your OS. I've seen this happen with laptops where the owner didn't bother to create a recovery DVD and the Windows sticker containing the license serial was faded/rubbed off. (This is why my sysop colleagues that me to put the sticker beneath the battery where it won't be exposed).
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Oh yeah I noticed this yesterday; was using PC for a while and then suddenly noticed "hold on there's another icon". They really want people to get into this deal don't they? :lol:
Actually I had been trying to find out something about this and struggling (pardon minor OT); has anyone heard/read if the freebie deal only applies to upgrading the OS of existing PCs or not? My PC can't be updated any further and saving up to get a badly needed new one, so when I heard about 10 nearing I was debating putting it on the new one and leaving 7 on the old one for now. Would I be able to put my download on an install disk or does it have to go on the PC installing it?
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I'm reserving my copy for both my laptop and main pc. So far the Insider test versions of W10 I've fiddled with have been really promising.
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So far all indications are this will apply like an upgrade to PCs with 7 or 8.1 installed already. You may have the option to wipe and do a clean install once it runs, but MS has said in their Q/A that there won't be install media provided. Whether you would be able to make your own remains to be seen I guess, but I doubt it.
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I noticed this icon too. I'll reserve it, but won't be using it until it's been out for several months. I am very conservative with OS upgrades, and have gotten 8.1 to a state where it's set up how I want it and I know how to work around its issues. I hope it's largely a minor upgrade from 8.1 and doesn't break anything that works in 8.1 (which in turn did break stuff from 7). I do want DX12 though, which some games like the new Deus Ex will use. I might try it on my laptop first, which is on 7 and is less critical for me.
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Agree with deathfun. It'll go on my laptop (can hardly be worse than 8), but it's not touching my win 7 desktop.
You guys... just dual-boot. Be sure to disable Fast Boot if you intend to use anything besides the Metro Bootloader, though. *shrug* I don't understand what's wrong with having your cake and eating it too.
If there's an issue with licensing for the upgrade, set up a dual-boot 7/7 system and only upgrade one of the installs to 10.
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Or I make things less complicated than they need to be and upgrade my laptop from an OS I don't like, and keep the OS I do like as is
That makes more sense for me to do. Even more sense than that would be to reserve two spots and keep one on the burner
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As many others have stated, I plan on waiting until around mid August before updating. I've got 4 computers that I use on a daily basis, and I have all intention of upgrading them all at once. I am heavily invested into Microsoft's cloud storage and would hate to loose out on features because some of my PC's are still running Windows 7.
I too would also like to know if an ISO or equivalent will be available for users to download. I much prefer to do clean Windows installs on my PC's over just upgrades.
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Is anyone not getting the icon? I'm on Polish version of Windows 7, likewise the laptop has a debloated ("N" version) Polish (I think) Win 8.1 installed. Neither seems to be getting the notification. Do language and localization matter here?
Also, it just hit me, is it going to be possible to go from 32bit to 64bit during the upgrade? I guess not. I want the 64bit version for my new PC (that I'm going to be putting together at some point), so I will probably need a new, Win 10 specific license. I hope Dreamspark gets that one added pretty soon.
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You can use ESD decrypter to convert the ESD or WIM file to an ISO (the exe will extract an esd or wim to the \sources directoy; esd files are highly compressed wim files)
Any difference between WIM and ESD? (http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=381675&sid=96691f9185ab843c31e6960c20fa669b#p381675)
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/instructions-create-a-bootable-iso-file-using-esd/d2768b51-221a-436e-af4e-d3b9118a8864 <== Get ESD Decrypter here
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Also, having used Win10 beta builds for a good while now, I can say that your "Mah Win7 puters will be left bloody alone" comments are ridiculous. Get on with times people. We don't want Win7 to be yet another WinXP.
And why not? The whole "upgrade just because there's a new version out" argument has always seemed incredibly fallacious to me (especially when you consider the obscene amount of e-waste it's generated from cell phones, but that's a whole other topic). To the vast majority of end-users, including many that are generally technically competent, upgrading an OS doesn't convey much benefit other than putting a shiny new coat of paint on everything. The actual day-to-day functionality of their computer hasn't changed, and indeed their workflow might be disrupted for some time (or permanently, if we're talking about the garbage that is 8) while they acclimate themselves to a new UI and layouts. There were a few reasons I never bothered to update this ancient ****box beyond XP: I was too cheap (and broke) to fork out $100 or so for an OS upgrade, I wasn't quite sure that this thing could even run 7 smoothly, and I figured that I'd be building my first actual gaming rig in the reasonable future anyway (not yet, but hopefully soon!). But besides all of that, the fact remained that XP continued to simply just work for me in my everyday tasks. It's only within the past several months, now that the OS is officially decrepit, that some of my programs have stopped supporting it, which I fully understand at this point.
More on-topic, even if I had 7 now, I don't think I'd go for the free option anyway, since (unless I'm reading this wrong) the fact that it's an upgrade means that you wouldn't be able to use the two alongside each other.
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The more I look into this, the less I want 10. Really, the only thing left to recommend it for my 8.1 laptop is the return of the start menu. Cortana might be somewhat neat, but it looks more gimmicky than useful, and I suspect it will eventually annoy me instead. It's becoming clear that MS is trying to usher out the traditional desktop setup in favor of tablet/phone style and "everything must talk to everything else (including our servers) all the time." I fear 7 is going to be the last OS that actually makes sense for me, and once it goes the way of XP I'll be left with no more enjoyable desktop experience.
As for the insistent "just install it anyway" posts:
NO
What the hell kind of sense does it make to "upgrade" to an OS that I like less IN EVERY SINGLE WAY to the one I currently use? And if everyone used just this small bit of logic, the "you'll be left behind" argument wouldn't hold water anymore either. If no one used it, all the software developers would lose their market if they stopped supporting 7. Travesties like windows 8 only happen because microsoft can use its muscle to push it whether it's actually better or not, and the vast majority of consumers just go along with it.
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The more I look into this, the less I want 10. Really, the only thing left to recommend it for my 8.1 laptop is the return of the start menu. Cortana might be somewhat neat, but it looks more gimmicky than useful, and I suspect it will eventually annoy me instead. It's becoming clear that MS is trying to usher out the traditional desktop setup in favor of tablet/phone style and "everything must talk to everything else (including our servers) all the time." I fear 7 is going to be the last OS that actually makes sense for me, and once it goes the way of XP I'll be left with no more enjoyable desktop experience.
The differences in user experience between 7 and 10 are really minimal. The biggest departure in day-to-day usage is the Control Panel and Notification Center, and it's not like the average user is ever going to spend a lot of time there.
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Is anyone not getting the icon? I'm on Polish version of Windows 7, likewise the laptop has a debloated ("N" version) Polish (I think) Win 8.1 installed. Neither seems to be getting the notification. Do language and localization matter here?
I haven't seen the icon yet, I'm on an english version of Win 7. A friend of mine said he got it on his laptop with win 8.
I'm most likely going to stick with 7 myself for a long time. I'm happy with it, don't really care to have my workflow disturbed when I don't really get anything out of it. Kind of depends on how much win10 will suck or be awesome though. A lot of the new features are stuff I don't care about, I don't have a smart phone or a tablet that I want to share my desktop things with and such.
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I'm not getting the icon either, same thing as Spoon.
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7 is going to be the last Windows OS that actually makes sense for me, and once it goes the way of XP I'll be left with Linux which has become much better in the last few years.
FTFY
gentle reminder, Steam is supported natively on Linux.
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The reason to upgrade is that you will be left with a soon(-ish) to be unsupported OS instead of upgrading to a brand new OS that will be supported for a long(-ish) while, for free. (If you upgrade grudgingly 2 years down the line when 10 is required for newer hardware / or 7 is unsupported like XP is now, you will fork over $$$$$)
So, upgrade it, if you don't like it, put it back, I do believe the license will not give you an issue. When 10 is released, I'll check that out and post here with the results.
And, like I said, install 7 next to 7 in a different partition using the same license, then upgrade one of them to 10. Back up / image the fresh installs of 7 and 10, then you can always go back.
It's not that I'm being "You MOST USE 10 it's shineee and nuuu" I'm being "Why give MS your hard-earned $$$ later when you can upgrade for free and have your cake and eat it, too?".
If you don't get anything else out of this, consider: The inner workings of 10 are at least slightly more robust than 7 due to advancements in the OS, I would kind of hope. So, why not take advantage of the better engine, the longer support, and then, if you don't like the trim panels and paint job (UI), don't throw the car away -- the engine and frame are still good, use ClassicShell (http://www.classicshell.net/) (which is already compatible with Win 10!!).
EDIT: If you want to go further down that classic trim & paint route, get UltraUXThemePatcher (http://www.syssel.net/hoefs/software_uxtheme.php?lang=en), which is also already compatible with Win 10.
Guide is here (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-windows-8-8-1-look-like-windows-7-xp/), with links to some classic themes (7 and XP and Classic {aka Win 2K}).
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The reason to upgrade is that you will be left with a soon(-ish) to be unsupported OS
2020 is still some way off.
(If you upgrade grudgingly 2 years down the line when 10 is required for newer hardware
I don't see us running into the limitations of 64bit any time soon. Aside from directx12, what kind of newer hardware would specifically require an OS newer than windows 7?
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the kind that MS strongarms the component manufactures into making. though the bigger likelihood is win7 will just flat out not be available for sale.
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the kind that MS strongarms the component manufactures into making. though the bigger likelihood is win7 will just flat out not be available for sale.
drivers more precisely, and whatever ACPI ****ware gets plugged in to make our lives harder as well.
I've noticed with laptops in the last 2 or so years, installing 7 is almost completely not an option anymore, if you want to have everything work...
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(http://i.imgur.com/0Q5hSBC.png)
If that stays in the release build, that would be cool.
Unsure of exactly how that setting works, though. From:
http://reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/38f539/another_interesting_nugget_i_stumbled_upon/
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When I was poking through the FAQ for the update notification, MS seemed to be actively dodging this question. There was one question about cancelling the reservation/upgrade that was answered with the specific words "prior to installing." At the very least, it seems they are going to discourage reverting to the extent they can get away with. I'm betting a factory reset is going to be required to get 8.1 back. Assuming 10 doesn't wipe the recovery drive.
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I too would also like to know if an ISO or equivalent will be available for users to download. I much prefer to do clean Windows installs on my PC's over just upgrades.
Agreed very much so. Windows upgrades can be bloaty usually from old operating system directory and contents still being on the hard drive afterward. I would like the old method of upgrade when the installer asks for you to just toss in install disc of any supported previous version, spits it out, asks for upgrade disc again, and do a fresh install.
I'm just going to for the upgrade for the hell of it though (it's installed on my laptop since i got a used one that came with win7, hey, i honestly thought i'd be booting into win7 sometime). NT6 has become a decent base for current, and apparently future windows versions. Seeing as how 8 appears to be pretty stable, i think 10 will most likely be fine in this area with the usual expecteds.
UAC taking 5 minutes to pop when you try to install a program, making that program take 5 minutes longer to install.
Stupid **** like cortana crashing and reloading 20 times in a second bringing up a zillion "this program has stopped responding, find solution?" (idc), "did this program install correctly?" (it was bundled with the os numb nuts). Maybe there will be no way to remove or disable (let alone **** her) cortana.
The new spartan web browser was made specificly be more compatible with the few remaining mirrors of gnaa (the ultimate browser media capability test).
There's an "xp mode". Where ticking that in the firewall gives 24/7 admin privileges to your system from a server by a third party contracted by microsoft that's specificly made to deal out nothing but worms, rootkits, browser toolbars, and bonzi-buddy.
Not only are some important features like dvd playback (use vlc ****ers), and windows media center (wmc actually was some what decent and many don't care for it going away) discontinued and no longer offered; microsoft replaced a pop up blocker for their flag ship web browser with a mode in internet options called "user blocker". "user-blocker" is advanced software coding that is always on and cannot be deactivated. Microsoft employees and win10 beta acolytes testing the browser at home noted superior pop up blocking abilities with "user blocker" on a common corner of the internet when mom was walking down the hallway yelling their sons name while en route to their room with a closed door compared to other parts of the day with door open and lights on, while browsing a different section of the internet such as knitting and kittens.
And windows 10 starter edition will have a background that you cannot change.
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And windows 10 starter edition will have a background that you cannot change.
Which, if true (and I don't see any confirmation that a Starter edition exists in 10), is irrelevant, as all upgrade offers default to a minimum of Windows 10 Home.
Dragon, Shivans - Service Pack 1 is required to get the upgrade. Do you have it installed?
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SP1 and the "GWX" update following. I'm ready for user blocker, are you?
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Agreed very much so. Windows upgrades can be bloaty usually from old operating system directory and contents still being on the hard drive afterward. I would like the old method of upgrade when the installer asks for you to just toss in install disc of any supported previous version, spits it out, asks for upgrade disc again, and do a fresh install.
Screw the disc, just take my install key.
Honestly, I wish I could buy an OS upgrade and register that I do, in-fact, have a previous OS (or 5) and just let me use it as a full install disk rather than having to actually worry about the upgrade limitations when I wipe my PC.
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But piracy.
Because as everyone knows microsoft thinks, the less torrent versions are out there, the less people that can download it.
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But piracy.
Because as everyone knows microsoft thinks, the less torrent versions are out there, the less people that can download it.
That's actually a point in facor of asking for my previous install code instead of required an older Windows actually being installed. I don't know how Windows 8 is, but 7 at least (or maybe it was Vista) didn't even require you to activate windows to do the upgrade (I've actually done fresh installs that way, install the basic version, then run the upgrade for the pro version).
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And windows 10 starter edition will have a background that you cannot change.
Which, if true (and I don't see any confirmation that a Starter edition exists in 10), is irrelevant, as all upgrade offers default to a minimum of Windows 10 Home.
Dragon, Shivans - Service Pack 1 is required to get the upgrade. Do you have it installed?
I believe I did have SP1, but it apparently... uninstalled itself. I'm currently going through a rather embarrassing and confusing attempt to find SP1 and install it again :S
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Get it here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5842), that should help force it.
You want "windows6.1-KB976932-X64.exe" or "windows6.1-KB976932-X86.exe
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Ah, thank you. Downloading it now.
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http://www.maximumpc.com/how-to-get-windows-10-for-free/
(MS announces W10 TP users get W10 for free)
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but only as long as you stay opted in for preview builds, otherwise the license goes away. Of course, supposedly, if you updated to the preview build from windows 7 or 8.1, you should already be authorized for the appropriate free windows 10 license.
More good news, the FAQ says that you can do a clean install with the free upgrade.
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I don't see any reason to upgrade from Windows 7.
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Woohoo! I'm riding the free windows train as long as it lasts. Hopefully the next build will tell me the correct time of day!
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I don't see any reason to upgrade from Windows 7.
Aside of the fact that games probably will have DirectX 12 and/or Vulkan as minimum requirement sooner, rather than later? Unless Vulkan somehow manages to out-play DX12, chances are you're going to need Win10 to play new games in the near future. People already have the hardware, they just need to upgrade their OS, which is free. If you don't upgrade within the year of release, then the upgrade is going to cost you.
This is of course a moot point if your GPU is not DX12 capable and you're not planning on upgrading your current PC, or if you don't play games on PC.
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More likely later than sooner. Seeing how long it took for directx11 games to start appearing. Even when they did start popping up, most of them still have the option to switch between 9 and 11.
I finally got the 10 icon to show up on my laptop yesterday. Still nothing on my desktop.
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More likely later than sooner. Seeing how long it took for directx11 games to start appearing.
The big difference this time around is free Win10 upgrade. WIn10 adoption rate will be significantly higher than Vista/Win7/Win8.
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Which won't actually matter much at all. What is important is if the current gen consoles support dx12 (afaik the ps4 doesn't? Correct me if I'm wrong) and if the game dev studios will actually bother adopting it in any kind of timely fashion. If its going to be anything like dx11, then it'll be a great many years before dx12 is going to be a minimal requirement.
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and in other news i just shelled out 200€ for 2 copies of win8.1 for myself and my wife and legalised our windaz installations. free win 10 really helped there...
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"You're going to have to eventually" is the single worst argument for upgrading EVER.
One, you don't know that. You can only guess. People said the same thing about Vista and DX10. The only game I can recall being a DX10 exclusive is Halo 2, and that was clearly a marketing stunt by MS. Hell, it was even cracked to run on XP.
Two, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Why are you upgrading? Because the new software is going to be exclusive to it (maybe). Why is the new software exclusive to the new OS? Because enough people upgraded. It is, and always has been, in the consumers' power to tell Microsoft and any developers sucking at their teats to screw off. We don't have to let them shove it down our throats. Again, I point to XP/Vista.
Third, even if reasons 1 and 2 fall flat, and it really DOES become absolutely necessary to upgrade (I'm going to go through my library and see how many absolutely won't run on XP, I bet it's an extremely small number), THEN it is time to upgrade. Shelling out money* now for "might" and "maybe" later is just stupid. There is nothing stopping you from upgrading later when you KNOW it's going to be a good choice.
*And this is the very reason 10 is being offered for free for a limited time. MS knows this bit of logic is a hindrance to their desire to kill off the traditional desktop for the wonderful new world of multi-device, cloud, apps, and every other trendy buzz word that'll make them a continuous stream of cash, so they are trying to stamp it out. You don't honestly think MS is giving 10 away for free just because they are swell guys and are being charitable, do you? Gee, where have we seen that business strategy before?
Well, that was a little more rant-y than I intended when I started writing it. Also, let none of this be construed as a flat out argument against windows 10 (except for that last bit about an OS designed to continually make them money instead of just being a good product). If you're truly excited by windows 10 itself and want it for its features, then by all means. I already stated I'd get it on my windows 8 laptop (probably) because it's in all likelihood an improvement. Just don't fall for the trap of feeling forced to upgrade. If that's your only reason, it doesn't make any sense to do so until it turns out you ARE forced.
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Which won't actually matter much at all. What is important is if the current gen consoles support dx12
Xbox One will be getting Win10 and DX12. Obviously PS4 will not be getting DX12, because duh, it's not running on Windows like Xbox One is. Which means, new games that will come out on Xbox One will be supporting DX12 soon. Games that don't come out on Xbox One, probably won't come out on PC either. So PS4's inability to run DX12 is mostly a moot point.
Unlike with DX10/11, there won't be need to wait for next console generation to get DX12 games.
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From what I picked up at Studie Bungios, it's pretty easy to port PS4 games to PC. None of the PS3's crazy architecture.
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(I'm going to go through my library and see how many absolutely won't run on XP, I bet it's an extremely small number)
I don't know what your library is like, but my library has plenty of games that require Win7 or newer. Many of them even go as far as to require 64-bit OS and DX11. Being stuck with WinXP would cut me off from a significant portion of games. And honestly, I wouldn't want to be stuck with over a decade old turd of an operating system.
Why is the new software exclusive to the new OS? Because enough people upgraded. It is, and always has been, in the consumers' power to tell Microsoft and any developers sucking at their teats to screw off.
Why would I want to tell MS and developers off? DX12 is a beneficial thing to us gamers. It moves progress forward. If you are not familiar with what DX12 brings to the table, feel free to google it up. If I can get that as a free upgrade and without even needing to upgrade any hardware, why would I complain?
There is nothing stopping you from upgrading later when you KNOW it's going to be a good choice.
Except for the cost. It's free only the first 12 months.
And I am in fact already running Win10, been quite a while now. It's had its fair share of small bugs, but I feel it is generally an improvement over Win7/8. As soon as new Win10 laptops come available at work, I am going to replace my old Win7 laptop. I don't feel forced to upgrade at all. I am doing it willingly because I've already used preview builds and I like what I've seen.
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Why is the new software exclusive to the new OS? Because enough people upgraded. It is, and always has been, in the consumers' power to tell Microsoft and any developers sucking at their teats to screw off.
Why would I want to tell MS and developers off? DX12 is a beneficial thing to us gamers. It moves progress forward. If you are not familiar with what DX12 brings to the table, feel free to google it up. If I can get that as a free upgrade and without even needing to upgrade any hardware, why would I complain?
Read what Klaustrophobia said again, Fury. Tell them off for making dx12 exclusive to an os. Not telling them off for making dx12.
Is what he said.
Games that don't come out on Xbox One, probably won't come out on PC either. So PS4's inability to run DX12 is mostly a moot point.
Yeah okay, I'm fairly sure this is a false statement.
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Admit it, you overzealous upgraders. You only did it because you wanted the latest operating system for its own sake. :p
Aside of the fact that games probably will have DirectX 12 and/or Vulkan as minimum requirement sooner, rather than later?
Then I'll upgrade when games (that I want to play) have DirectX 12 as a minimum requirement. Who knows when that will happen. It could be years.
It's not like I'm preparing in advance for a natural disaster. When the game I want to buy announces that it requires DirectX12, I'll order Windows 10 and a new graphics card. I mean, what, are they going to release a hotly anticipated game and have DirectX 12 as a surprise requirement?
"Oh, god! If only I had bought Windows 10 eight months ago when I had the chance! Oh FML I gotta run down to Best Buy"
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"Oh, god! If only I had bought Windows 10 eight months ago when I had the chance! Oh FML I gotta run down to Best Buy"
Except it's, um, free for the next 12 months.
Deprecated software and operating systems are one of the many reasons we have ongoing security holes in all kinds of applications. Upgrades for the sake the the shiniest new things are not desirable; upgrades that bring about improvement are. Anyone still running XP over 7 at the moment is, quite frankly, an obstinate fool (or, I suppose, broke). The same will eventually - and likely shortly after release - be true of 10 over 7.
Frankly, this is an area where I'd like to see Microsoft adopt some of Apple's practices and make OS upgrades essentially a patch system.
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Anyone still running XP over 7 at the moment is, quite frankly, an obstinate fool (or, I suppose, broke).
Or both! :nervous:
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Except it's, um, free for the next 12 months.
Well, then nothing I wrote had any value.
It does make sense to upgrade at least one machine within that 12 month window if it is truly free to do so.
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But that doesn't mean you should upgrade now. In fact it is a pretty damn good argument for waiting 10 months and letting other saps deal with bugs and problems for that time.
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Well, then nothing I wrote had any value.
You really should read posts more carefully mate. It was repeated numerous times. Makes me wonder about rest of the people here.
Frankly, this is an area where I'd like to see Microsoft adopt some of Apple's practices and make OS upgrades essentially a patch system.
They are, starting with Windows 10.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/windows-10-to-be-last-version-of-windows/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/08/microsoft-windows-10-last-windows/
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You really should read posts more carefully mate. It was repeated numerous times. Makes me wonder about rest of the people here.
Says the person I just corrected a few posts ago about not reading a post correctly. Irony ho.
Deprecated software and operating systems are one of the many reasons we have ongoing security holes in all kinds of applications. Upgrades for the sake the the shiniest new things are not desirable; upgrades that bring about improvement are. Anyone still running XP over 7 at the moment is, quite frankly, an obstinate fool (or, I suppose, broke). The same will eventually - and likely shortly after release - be true of 10 over 7.
We could do without the insults? Or should I go about insulting every early adopter in the same vein? This thread already had plenty of equally good reasons why people want to stay with an older OS or want to step over to the new one. None of them are worthy of being called 'obstinate fools' because they prefer a different thing.
Frankly, this is an area where I'd like to see Microsoft adopt some of Apple's practices and make OS upgrades essentially a patch system.
Apple's system that almost seems to deliberately make old devices run slow as **** with OS updates so people will buy new stuff? Yeah, fantastic system. I'd definitely like to be at the mercy of Microsoft in that regard.
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Obstinate foolishness notwithstanding, I'd say that the reasons for having Win7 over WinXP are some orders of magnitude better than those that make the case for Win10 over Win7.
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Honestly, I'm shocked that everyone seems to be okay with this new "OS as a service" and "smartphone on your desktop (with all the apps and micro transactions that implies)" direction MS is trying to force. When has converting what used to be a simple product to a subscription-type service ever benefited the consumers? There's a reason this is a huge trend in business, and it's not because corporations and business owners simply want you to have nice things.
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Not sure where you are getting that Windows will be a subscription from
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Not sure where you are getting that Windows will be a subscription from
I do believe that one of the early on rumors was that Win10 was gonna be subscription based, something along the lines of "basic OS free for all, extra features need money monthly/yearly.", or something to that effect.
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I remember that rumor floating around, and it was based entirely on supposition, and has yet to be confirmed. that Windows 10 is going to be selling for the usual OS price also runs counter to that idea.
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well, they moved office to that model, so yeah. i feel that at some point in the not so far off future, they'll move windozers to that model as well.
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I don't think that is very likely to happen. See, majority of Microsoft products and services more or less depend on Windows. If consumer does not have Windows (which is prone to happen due to aversion to subscription model), then Microsoft can't sell their other portfolio either.
I believe this will stay true even if Satya Nadella has actually been driving their software development teams to produce products and services that work on other platforms than Windows. In the future MS will be less dependent on Windows, but subscription model is still very unlikely. In fact, it is more likely for Windows to become entirely free, as Windows licensing revenue from consumers is just a drop in the ocean.
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It's not for sure, no, but all the warning signs are there, and it's been heavily hinted at. MS thinks (and unfortunately I agree) that they are going to be able to force-feed us this model. Giving out 10 for free is step 1. Once enough people adopt, they're free to do what they like from there on out because as your own argument goes, once 10 is the standard, the only choice at that point will be upgrade or be left behind.
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Not exactly no. They need to stick to their own licensing terms, or they are liable to face numerous lawsuits. Which means that if you buy a Windows 10 license, which at the time is one-time payment and licensing terms does not have anything on subscription, they cannot force you to subscription. But seriously, subscription for Windows is very unlikely to happen. But even if it does, it wouldn't change your existing license and terms.
Subscription as an alternative to one-time payment is still possible. But even this is highly unlikely, because previous licenses already entitles consumer to any future updates to Windows 10. And if MS is going to stay true to Windows 10 being "the last Windows", well...
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Admit it, you overzealous upgraders. You only did it because you wanted the latest operating system for its own sake. :p
...Except that when Vista came out, RTM leaked to torrent sites a month or two before the release date -- I installed it, tested it out for a week or two (triple-booting with XP + Linux, of course), said "Nope!" and nuked the Vista partition.
I'm hardly an overzealous upgrader. In fact, I like to get old OSes running on newer hardware. Just because. If 10 was another Vista, I wouldn't be so happy about the free upgrade (although I might have "gotten" it, uninstalled it, and left it on the "shelf" for later use in a free / cheaper Win 11 / 10.1 / whatever upgrade).
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My own opinion: 10 is based on nt6 like vista and 7. It eventually became a stable platform. I'm not worried about the 10 core os being unstable, really am just worrying about the new versions of programs that come with it that might be. 10 is more or less windows 8 done right. Sort of like how 7 is vista done right.
I actually did like vista a lot sp1 on up. While other people lamented it, my using of linux really made me like it a lot. Plus i enjoyed the actual program upgrades from the previous versions of **** found in xp. Aside from needing more horse power, that users didn't find it familiar (this point i really find moot, i didn't have a problem with the start menu not saying start), and that vista from day one had problems from stability and drivers from manufacturers; when sp1 came out, it was a hell of a lot better than xp (uac clone of gksu for the win!!!!; if you don't understand not running as administrator 24/7, then you don't understand why uac exists, and why this was one hell of a thing needed for so long).
I'm quite fine with nt6 stability. Just worried about the new programs that are required to run with it is all. This is why i don't mind the upgrade to windows 10. Control panel got ****ed with, oh well, i'll learn and live with it if possible, but most likely possible. The mini start screen start menu; fine, classic shell for the win.
We're not going from one version of nt to a completely other here like with xp to vista. I don't fathom many problems aside from ironing a few bugs that comes with a new release. And we probably shouldn't see many, or at least not many that will concern or affect me. After all, we're essentially dealing with a better release of windows 8; that i will install classic shell on (omg!!!, i really don't care for web content popping up in place for what i have locally installed when using the start screen, that greatly impedes and confuses the user, and the tech support that i perform at my job; yes, upon finding a windows 8 computer i am working on, i do ask if they would like a normal start menu, and that the change will take about a minute, most say yes to classic shell).
This is why for the money (unless you run a highly detailed setup, which i will call genericly win7/vista legacy(for the hell of it), don't upgrade, or don't upgrade because you don't want too).
Not to say that i don't disagree with the direction to a point where microsoft wants to take their os. I have always strongly believed for a long time that you put what the user wants to do first ahead of what the product wants, and even wants you to do (i do get into the nitty gritty with that; i always turn off aero, hardware peformance goes to the user), a start menu that suggests web links over a program you have locally installed is counterintuitive and confusing. Classic shell fix.
Whenever i load out a windows 8 computer, classic shell is installed by default. Yup, i know my users.
EDIT: My only rant with vista, 7, and 8 is that explorer.exe sure does crash a hell of a lot more often compared to xp.
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I actually like the new settings in Windows 10 much more than the XP style control panel that has lasted into Win 7. I always ended up having to go to the old style control panel where each setting has its own icon. Win 8 was crappy in that half of the settings were in control panel and the other half were in setting, but win 10 has MOST of the options in or easily accessible from Settings, is slightly more logically organized, and has better descriptions on what each section actually DOES.