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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => FS2 Open Coding - The Source Code Project (SCP) => Topic started by: Sandwich on July 30, 2002, 11:32:49 am
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Figure this'll help the SCP people to have a general idea of how powerful the average person's computer is 'round here.
This is the 3D Graphics Card thread.
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POS integrated graphics :no:
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GF4 for me. I like to brag. :)
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gf2 mx 400 :doubt:
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eh... aren't you overdoing with the Geforces. ATIs are popular too.
Radeon famili :D
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GF2 MX 200/100 (or 100/200.... escapes me)
Piece of pish, in all honesty.
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GF2 at the moment, good for most things but beginning to show its age.
one MSI GeForce4 4600 Ti Will be on my doorstep within the next three days. I'll let you know how it works ;)
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I also have a GF2 MX.
Meh.
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GF4 Ti4600
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s3 savage 4 with 8MB VRAM!!!1!
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Originally posted by Bri_Dog
POS integrated graphics :no:
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Matrox G400 32MB Dual Head
Will hopefully upgrade to Parhelia by Xmas. (See rocks, card that)
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I'm still using a Voodoo 3, and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.
Mainly cause I'm broke.
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same. I almost remember when it was state of the art.
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Integrated 8MB graphics at the moment. :sigh: Not good.
I hope that after a month or two a Radeon 9700. ;7 Powerful enough.
Edit: Pretty many here have a good computer. 6 Geforce 4's. :eek:
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I also have a GF4 but I ran out of money so I still have a P3 450 procesor. Doh!
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Just to let you know firstly that there is no such thing as a GF3 MX :)
Maeg sez: Updated ^_^
The nVidia cards are reasonably different enough in performance and technology, as well as having such a large market, to keep them separate. Maybe having more than one class of ATi card, then Matrox (since they all lean towards visual quality over speed), then an "Other" for more diverse things like the Xabre, and intergrated solutions. Oh, and Voodoo cards for those who still have them.
I know there's a limit to the number of poll options, and the poll is already up. But if you're looking for a better view of who has what video card, then it could be something to look at in future.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo
I'm still using a Voodoo 3, and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.
Mainly cause I'm broke.
I'm still using a Voodoo 3, and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon.
Mainly because it will run FS2 and Halflife just fine :nod:
But Thunder if you want to send me your old card I won't complain ;)
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Originally posted by sandwich
Figure this'll help the SCP people to have a general idea of how powerful the average person's computer is 'round here.
This is the 3D Graphics Card thread.
GF3 Ti 200, but my CPU is the real power behind my machine, running at 1.8 ghz.
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:wtf:The poll has two Radeon families... :p
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
But Thunder if you want to send me your old card I won't complain ;)
I will of course be looking to sell the GF2, which is in perfect working order - but evidently not the cutting edge. How much would you be willing to pay for it? :)
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TNT2
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Originally posted by Redfang
:wtf:The poll has two Radeon families... :p
What the...!!!?! That's seriously screwed! It's missing the GF3MX, and it duplicated the Raedon. Must be whatever's causing the forums to act screwy.... I hope.. :doubt:
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Originally posted by sandwich
What the...!!!?! That's seriously screwed! It's missing the GF3MX, and it duplicated the Raedon. Must be whatever's causing the forums to act screwy.... I hope.. :doubt:
:D But hey, GF3MX doesn't exist, there are only GF3Ti200, GF3, and GF3Ti500. :)
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That's a bit better. I guess you could sort out the Radeon issue by having the "Radeon 8500 family", such as the standard R8500 and the 8500LE etc, then an "Other ATi" for things like the 7500 and earlier products.
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Originally posted by Redfang
:D But hey, GF3MX doesn't exist, there are only GF3Ti200, GF3, and GF3Ti500. :)
Oh! Uhhh...... I knew that! :p
Originally posted by Kazashi
That's a bit better. I guess you could sort out the Radeon issue by having the "Radeon 8500 family", such as the standard R8500 and the 8500LE etc, then an "Other ATi" for things like the 7500 and earlier products.
Too late for that - I can't mess with the poll - only moderators can.
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Originally posted by sandwich
Too late for that - I can't mess with the poll - only moderators can.
I guess that's why there are two Radeon families and no GF3MX anymore...
Look at one of the Kazashi's posts in this thread... Maeg updated it and something went wrong? :wtf:
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Edit: Double post. :doh: Usually it's impossible, as there is 30 second flood control. Now there wasn't. :p
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i have a Radeon 32meg DDR [Radeon Series 1, 7500/8500 being series 2, and 9500/9700 being series three]
BTW the 9700 hands ever other video card in existance it's ass... i just gotta get a powerful enough CPU and fast enough AGP bus [im still running 2x] to utilize a card like that
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ehy i'm the only one with still a voodoo2??:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :(
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Originally posted by KARMA
ehy i'm the only one with still a voodoo2??:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :(
Yes. :p
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Just a small note, the Radeon 9000/9000 Pro are based on the 8500 core, while the 7500 is based on the original Radeon, so the families would be:
Radeon / Radeon 7500
Radeon 8500/8500LE/9000/9000Pro
Radeon 9500/9700
(9500 is a bumped-down 9700 that hasn't been really announced yet)
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Originally posted by Kazan
BTW the 9700 hands ever other video card in existance it's ass... i just gotta get a powerful enough CPU and fast enough AGP bus [im still running 2x] to utilize a card like that
:nod:Yeah, that's what I want. Supports DirectX9, is able to beat the GF4Ti4600 by 200% in some situations with anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering on and has videoshader, nice feature to enchance video quality, and a lot more... :)
Check out the Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656) preview, it's pretty good, and there is also Hardocp (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzMw) preview, which doesn't have that tech talk, just performance...
I like this part from Hardocp review, "Last, but certainly not least, a benchmark we don’t use as it is made by NVIDIA, tweaked by NVIDIA, and configured for NVIDIA hardware, the Chameleon demo. At 1600x1200, the Radeon 9700 doubled the Ti4600 scores. "
:lol:
Edit:Originally posted by Fry_Day
(9500 is a bumped-down 9700 that hasn't been really announced yet)
But confirmed. :)
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Just wait till the competing product reaches the market (NV30), since the prices are still outrageously high (400$), and there's nothing like competition to lower prices, and besides, nVidia have their own bag of tricks.
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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
TNT2
I had one of them until recently. They kick ass, was still letting me play Max Payne and other stuff with the options at half. When I bought it (many moons) ago everyone was telling me to get a voodoo 3. Sure glad I didnt get one of those pieces of crap.
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Originally posted by Fry_Day
Just wait till the competing product reaches the market (NV30), since the prices are still outrageously high (400$), and there's nothing like competition to lower prices, and besides, nVidia have their own bag of tricks.
True, but NV30 might be coming new year or at the end of this year, and I can't wait so long as I have integrated graphics and Celeron 466MHz...:)
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Another thing: Never buy the most advanced graphics card. You always end up wasting money. Go for a Radeon 9000 Pro or GeForce 4 Ti4200, which cost less than half, and will work with just about anything in the upcoming year in max detail, and by then, something comparable to the Radeon 9700 should cost perhaps the same as your current card when you bought it, and you'd be saving money
Edit: That is unless you are buying a dream-machine or something. I'm assuming you don't have an endless source of money, by your current machine
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Blah... I at least once want a good computer... and Radeon 9000 Pro is slow.
You might be right, but having good parts in computer is not a waste of money always, as you can wait longer before you need to upgrade, and if you buy a high-end part when it is released it can surely run all games at very high resolutions with max details and AA and AF on. :)
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fry is wrong
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Voodoo 3 with 32MB and 256 VRAM
I`ll stick with it, the Vram cuts does seem to reduce stepping:)
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Originally posted by Orange
GF4 for me. I like to brag. :)
Heh - just noticed you here. It's about time you got your butt over here. :D ;)
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Originally posted by Kazan
fry is wrong
Just cause?
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buying the top-end is always a waste. Look at the Pentium 4 - a 2.53GHz chip costs 575$ (prices courtesy of www.pricewatch.com - the absolute cheapest on the 'net), and a 300MHz inferior 2.26GHz p4 (Also 533MHz bus) costs less than half (233$) - It'd be a total waste of money to buy the 2.53GHz part, since the preformance difference is closer to 10%. Right now, the ATi Radeon 9700 is an exception in it being more than twice as fast as a 200$ card, so I'm not sure about that.
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buying the top-end is always a waste. Look at the Pentium 4 - a 2.53GHz chip costs 575$ (prices courtesy of www.pricewatch.com - the absolute cheapest on the 'net), and a 300MHz inferior 2.26GHz p4 (Also 533MHz bus) costs less than half (233$) - It'd be a total waste of money to buy the 2.53GHz part, since the preformance difference is closer to 10%. Right now, the ATi Radeon 9700 is an exception in it being more than twice as fast as a 200$ card, so I'm not sure about that.
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what may be true about CPUs isn't always true about everything btw. AMD Athlons are better
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Yes, it's a waste of money to buy the 2.53GHz Pentium 4 now... but I'm planning to get some sort of Athlon XP 1800+ - 2000+ or something like that, depends on price. Shame that the new Thoroughbred isn't that good.
But pretty many have brought the Ti4600, and Radeon 9700 is a lot faster and more advanced than that and should cost about the same, though I think the prices of GF4Ti cards will drop when new Radeon hits the streets.
Originally posted by Kazan
fry is wrong
I hope he is in this situation... :)
But I wouldn't be so sure, at least he is right with those processors.
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Sorry about the double post, but isn't there supposed to be flood protection?
And remember, as I said, the Radeon 9700 is an exception to the general rule, since the preformance difference from the best product before is more like the difference between the Voodoo 1 and an SLI setup of Voodoo 2s than anything that's happened in the last few years.
Btw, Kazan, I prefer AMD too (I have an AthlonXP 1700+), and there is a price difference between the top-end and something a bit slower there that's only a little smaller (In %) than the Intel one.
Edit: The AthlonXP 2000+ is 39% cheaper than the AthlonXP 2200+, and is roughly 10% slower.
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Originally posted by Fry_Day
Sorry about the double post, but isn't there supposed to be flood protection?
:wtf:Yes, there used to be, but I also made double post as there wasn't on some thread.
Edit: Oops, the double post is in this thread...
Originally posted by Fry_Day
Edit: The AthlonXP 2000+ is 39% cheaper than the AthlonXP 2200+, and is roughly 10% slower.
:nod:And can be even less slower... like in games with high resolutions the game becomes GPU limited (unless you have a very powerful video card) and the difference could be something like 0-5%...
And at the moment I wouldn't even be getting 2000+, maybe 1800+ or 1900+, but they will get cheaper and the price difference will get smaller...
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TNT2 M64 w/ 16MB Video RAM. Woot!
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I just realized that there are only 9 options on the poll, not the ten I had originally put. So not only did it duplicate the Radeon at the (non-existant, so I hear) GF3MX's expense, but it completely removed the RIVA TNT/TNT2/Ultra option I specifically remember including! :mad:
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If an admin cannot fix the current poll, then it might be worth constructing a 2nd poll for the matter. Especially if it ends up being of importance - I don't see that most people will have a problem entering their choice, or further input, again.
Once again, there is no such product as the GF3 MX. The first of the GF3 series to be released was the standard, with a 200Mhz core and 460Mhz memory. A number of months later, nVida released two more - the Ti200 at 175Mhz core and 200Mhz memory, and the Ti500 with 240/500Mhz core and memory respectively. Aside from the speed differences, the cores were all exactly the same, technology-wise, each card is identical.
The other MX cards nVidia has released have been either cut down versions of their bigger brothers (GF2 MX), or a reworking of an older GPU (GF4 MX). And have actually been advertised with the MX. But for the GF3 generation, there was no cut down version to appeal to the cheaper market.
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Hmmm. I did fix this but did it in a rush (i.e. there's a good chance i screwed it up :wink: ). Making a second GFX card poll might be a good idea since you've got a better list now. :nod:
If you wish you can submit the new list and I can edit the poll appropriately or you can simply start a new thread and I can close this one.
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Ok, I'll make a new poll. But first, lemme list the 10 categories I'd put in the poll, and then you all can suggest away - just remember that there's that 10-item limit. :doubt:
GF4
GF4MX
GF3
GF2
GF2MX
GF 256
Radeon 9500/9700
Radeon 8500/8500LE/9000/9000Pro
Radeon / Radeon 7500
RIVA TNT/TNT2/ULTRA / Voodoo 1-5 (6? 7?)
Other
Now the problem is that I have one option too many. What should I take out? I'm looking at removing either the GF4MX or the original GF 256, since they didn't get any votes in this current poll. Suggestions?
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Change the GF4 to GF4Ti, so it's more clear.
I'd say that remove the Radeon 9500/9700, as they're not in shops yet so no-one can have them (except developers and some others probably?).
I think you should make these options for Radeons; Radeon 8500/8500LE (R200) or newer, and then Radeon 7500 or older (Radeon 7000,7200, original Radeons which are now 7000 and 7200).
And there is no Voodoo 6 or 7. :)
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Originally posted by Redfang
Change the GF4 to GF4Ti, so it's more clear.
I'd say that remove the Radeon 9500/9700, as they're not in shops yet so no-one can have them (except developers and some others probably?).
I think you should make these options for Radeons; Radeon 8500/8500LE (R200) or newer, and then Radeon 7500 or older (Radeon 7000,7200, original Radeons which are now 7000 and 7200).
And there is no Voodoo 6 or 7. :)
Ok, so we have:
GF4Ti
GF4MX
GF3
GF2
GF2MX
GF 256
Radeon 8500/8500LE or better
Radeon 7500 or worse
RIVA TNT/TNT2/ULTRA / Voodoo 1-5
Other
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I think that list is good.
Originally posted by sandwich
Radeon 7500 or worse
:lol:That sounds nice... :lol:
Like Radeon 7500 is extremely bad and you can have even worse... :lol:
:wakka:
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Originally posted by Redfang
I think that list is good.
Ok, well if I don't get any serious (:D) complaints in the next 24 hours or so, I'll post the new poll.
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Yep, that listing looks fine to me. My only point would be that nVidia has so many listings, but they're not called Cardzilla for nothing :)
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how about merging the GeFoce 256 SDR with the GeForce2 MX, and giving the Geforce 256 DDR a separate option, since it's so much better?
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Originally posted by Fry_Day
how about merging the GeFoce 256 SDR with the GeForce2 MX, and giving the Geforce 256 DDR a separate option, since it's so much better?
But nobody has voted for Geforce 256... so I guess no-one has it.
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If the poll is causing that much trouble you could always ask the simple question "what brand of video card do you own for your Freespace running machine" then record the results, making sure that it's just the answers and not discussion so you don't get to confused.
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Originally posted by Thunder
If the poll is causing that much trouble you could always ask the simple question "what brand of video card do you own for your Freespace running machine" then record the results, making sure that it's just the answers and not discussion so you don't get to confused.
You wanna do this? :wtf:
No, I didn't think so.
Actually, a quick solve would be to use those non-existant admin powers of yours (;) ) to increase the cap on poll options to 15 or so... :D
Please? :)
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Currently in new comp:
Nvidia Riva TNT2 model64hp 32MB
Will install from old comp and disable first on occasion:
ATI Rage FURY 32MB with TV out (Comp/S-video)
31 inch tv (sometimes used as monitor)
Saving up for projector to use bedroom wall as monitor...
SWEET! :yes:
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Saving up for projector to use bedroom wall as monitor...
SWEET! :yes:
How much does that cost?
How about we lock this thread and start a new poll that is more representative of peoples gfx card.
Reduce GF to
GF3 & 4
GF1 & 2
GF MX card
We could really do with knowing what those 20 'others' are.
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Originally posted by RandomTiger
We could really do with knowing what those 20 'others' are.
I'd say there are at least a few Nvidia TNT2's between them.
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Originally posted by RandomTiger
We could really do with knowing what those 20 'others' are.
Matrox, matrox, matrox...
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OK. Ten is max so:
GF3 & 4
GF1 & 2
GF MX card
TNT 1 & 2
Matrox
Voodoo 2
Voodoo 3 - 5 (is there a voodoo 4?)
8 Suggestions?
9 Suggestions?
10 Suggestions?
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GF3 & 4
GF1 & 2
GF MX card
TNT 1 & 2
Matrox
Voodoo 2
Voodoo 3 - 5 (is there a voodoo 4?)
8 Suggestions?
9 Suggestions?
10 Suggestions?
First of all, it seems noone bought a GeForce1 (Good decision :) ), so it's unrequired. Secondly, the GeForce 4 MX line is basically a souped-up GeForce2, and therefore deserves to be with it.
And yes, there IS a Voodoo 4, and it has only 1 VSA-100 chip, making it a Voodoo 3 with 32bit colors.
My list would be so:
GeForce 3 / GeForce 4 Ti 4200/4400/4600
GeForce SDR/DDR / Geforce 2 MX/GTS/Pro/Ultra / GeForce4 MX
Riva TNT / Riva TNT 2
Matrox G400/G450/G550 (There was a 550, right? )
Voodoo 2
Voodoo 3 - 5
ATi Radeon / Radeon 7500
ATi Radeon 8500/8500LE/8500+/9000/9000Pro
9 - Open to Suggestions
10 - Here too
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Don't forget GF2Ti...
But maybe GF2MX shouldn't be in the same option as GF2GTS/PRO/TI/ULTRA as those all are much faster.
And then probably add option 9, being only the Radeon 9700... it's different from all others, supporting DX9.0 and being much faster than others. Though I guess nobody has it yet. :p
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Erm, it's not yet on the market, and you only buy a graphics card when it's fresh in the market only if you have too much money :)
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Originally posted by Fry_Day
Erm, it's not yet on the market, and you only buy a graphics card when it's fresh in the market only if you have too much money :)
It is, some people already have it. :p It's not here at Finland but at USA and Canada I think it is, and maybe somewhere else.
But yeah, the price... :sigh::doubt::blah:
Edit: Wait, lots of people have brought the GF4Ti4600 too (just when it was found in shops). It was even more expensive at the launch than the Radeon 9700 is now. :)
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My normal computer has a normal Geforce3 running at 25% overclock, but I will probably be upgrading that by the end of the year.
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I've got a Voodoo5 5500. Great card for FS2, great 4xFSAA :cool: .
For the record: there are no Voodoo 6 or 7, the last 3dfx card was Voodoo5 6000, it had 8xFSAA :cool:, there's not many 6000 around though.
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GF4 Ti4400
hmm...poll results put the GF4 and GF2 MX at nearly equal...we've got either top-of-the-line l33tness or mid-grade stuff...
Actually, how many of you MXers have the 200 and 400 (or for you GF4 peeps, 420 and 440) models?