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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on November 15, 2015, 07:10:20 am
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(http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2015/11/13/license_redacted_s878x841.jpg?373f7442bf1907a921556859a09e2057a24d6944)
Mass. woman wins fight to wear colander in driver’s license by citing ‘pastafarian’ religion
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/13/woman-wins-fight-wear-colander-drivers-license/
I can't even. :nono: EDIT: Also, :lol:
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I can't even. :nono:
Why not? This is hilarious!
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When it comes to freedom of religion, you've got to be in for a penny, in for a pound. You either go down the french road and start banning public religious displays, or you open yourself up to joke religions mocking established religions. More power to them I say.
Incidentally, this is a pretty well established thing now, thousands of people have done it. Not really newsworthy.
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I can't even. :nono:
Why not? This is hilarious!
sandwich is a devout reformed pastafarian and believes the wearing of the colander to be a heresy perpetuated by raviolian schismatics
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Well, religious freedom and respect for other faiths means you also have to respect all of them (even Scientologists, if you ever found one of them who wasn't unworthy of respect anyway). :) She's not the first one to pull off such stunt (though the other case I heard about was a passport photo, IIRC). I think it makes more sense than the French approach, TBH.
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Eh, she still looks stupid. Some people can pull it off, she just looks like she came straight out of an asylum or a Wal-Mart. At least a beer cap provides alcohol, a colander best stays with the spaghetti.
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When it comes to freedom of religion, you've got to be in for a penny, in for a pound. You either go down the french road and start banning public religious displays, or you open yourself up to joke religions mocking established religions. More power to them I say.
Especially in the US, the latter (open to jokes) interpretation is the only sensible one. Freedoms of religion and expression are impressively easy to swallow when people only agree with you or believe the same things as you.
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Is a colander an upgrade or a downgrade from a foil hat? While the colander is made of thicker metal with a better finish than a foil hat, it is also considerably more holy than a well made foil hat
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the holes don't make a difference for the purpose of being a faraday cage but you can get better coverage with tinfoil
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She ain't the first, she won't be the last ;-)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pastafarian-man-niko-alm-wins-right-to-wear-colander-on-his-head-in-driving-license-photo-9610859.html hehe
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I can't even. :nono:
:lol:
Are you attempting to dictate what is and is not a sincerely held belief? Because that's an exceptionally bad idea.
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I can't even. :nono:
:lol:
Are you attempting to dictate what is and is not a sincerely held belief? Because that's an exceptionally bad idea.
Heh, no, not at all... I think my post gave people the wrong impression since I didn't have a :lol: at the end...
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A bloke in South Australia did it last year, but with his firearms licence.
AdelaideNow.com.au (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/man-who-wore-colander-on-his-head-for-gun-licence-photo-says-it-is-part-of-church-of-the-flying-spaghetti-monsters-religion/story-fni6uo1m-1226961620238)
Personally I find it amusing, it's not like they are wearing something that is obscuring their face or hiding their identity. But naturally the authorities will probably take a different, if not consistent view.
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I wonder what the court said in his case. If they told a Sikh he has to go to a psychologist because he wants to be photographed in his turban (or, heaven forbid, a Muslim woman in a hijab...), the world would be up in arms. His case is exactly the same, only with a different head covering.
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Not that I believe there's reason to restrict what you can wear in photos (beyond the 'duh' level anyway), I DO believe there's absolutely a difference between an established religion and a 'religion' invented for the sole purpose of antagonizing religion as a concept. Hey I just created a religion that says it's totally okay to murder people. In fact, I'm required to kill at least one person per week. I should be tolerated, damnit! You can't persecute my religious beliefs!
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The belief cannot be legislated against, but the acts can, you are perfectly fine (legally speaking) believing that you are required to kill at least one person per week so long as you don't.
Pastafarians clearly take their doctrines quite seriously, irrespective of the reasoning behind them. they might not actually believe that global warming is caused by lack of piracy, but they DO believe that putting on that act is important.
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Not that I believe there's reason to restrict what you can wear in photos (beyond the 'duh' level anyway), I DO believe there's absolutely a difference between an established religion and a 'religion' invented for the sole purpose of antagonizing religion as a concept. Hey I just created a religion that says it's totally okay to murder people. In fact, I'm required to kill at least one person per week. I should be tolerated, damnit! You can't persecute my religious beliefs!
"Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose."
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I think I would require them to wear it during traffic stops for positive identification. :P
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Not that I believe there's reason to restrict what you can wear in photos (beyond the 'duh' level anyway), I DO believe there's absolutely a difference between an established religion and a 'religion' invented for the sole purpose of antagonizing religion as a concept.
Hey, guess what.
You don't get to decide what's a sincere belief and what's not because that way lies oppression.
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Not that I believe there's reason to restrict what you can wear in photos (beyond the 'duh' level anyway), I DO believe there's absolutely a difference between an established religion and a 'religion' invented for the sole purpose of antagonizing religion as a concept. Hey I just created a religion that says it's totally okay to murder people. In fact, I'm required to kill at least one person per week. I should be tolerated, damnit! You can't persecute my religious beliefs!
Right, because no established religions mandate the death penalty for certain offenses.
But yeah, what NGTM-1R said. You don't get to decide what is or isn't a sincerely held religious belief.
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In order to dispel prejudices, would someone like to go on record affirming their belief in pastafarianism being held as a sincere belief? Here's a template, although I think this could be greatly improved (suggestions welcome!):
"I, <insert username>, swear that I sincerely believe that pastafarianism is held as a sincere belief by many of its adherents. The preceding statement may be brought up at a later date to help others form an accurate opinion about my honesty and judgement."
Any takers? ;7
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I believe that they sincerely believe that mocking religion is an important thing that must be done for the betterment of humanity.
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In order to dispel prejudices, would someone like to go on record affirming their belief in pastafarianism being held as a sincere belief? Here's a template, although I think this could be greatly improved (suggestions welcome!):
"I, <insert username>, swear that I sincerely believe that pastafarianism is held as a sincere belief by many of its adherents. The preceding statement may be brought up at a later date to help others form an accurate opinion about my honesty and judgement."
Any takers? ;7
Mh depends ... it obviously is an invented religion ... but the point is, so is (most likely) any other religion. Disagree? Just try to prove it wrong ... ;-)
On the other hand ... let me phrase it like this: if I had to personally choose between, say, obeying the Christian God and his/her/its 10 commandments and the Pastafari "god" and it's 10 "religious" commandmends to follow then I would definitely choose the Pastafari version hands down, simply because they are not a) inhumane in several ways (equating women with cattle etc.) b) completely outdated c) written as if the supposed god in question is a jealous capricious dictator.
Personally I think that that's the whole point of Pastafarianism ... on the one hand it's clearly invented by humans and quite crazy ... and on the other, if you take a moment to compare ... it becomes quickly evident that the established religons aren't any less crazy - quite the opposite - and worse that their crazyness has regularly done real damage and costs human lives throughout history up until today. Also, as numerous examples show, "being invented" never stopped a religion from becoming popular, established and recognized by state. Just google the history of Mormonism for instance.
But to really answer your question (the quite silly) way you apparently meant it ... we'd have to wait ... uh say, about 2000 years or so and see how Pastafarianism fares then I guess. It seems to have worked for Christianity at least, right? ;-)
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I believe that they sincerely believe that mocking religion is an important thing that must be done for the betterment of humanity.
The FSM's main purpose is to mock attempts to impose religious beliefs on others in the name of 'respect', something that's definitely important.
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I believe that they sincerely believe that mocking religion is an important thing that must be done for the betterment of humanity.
The FSM's main purpose is to mock attempts to impose religious beliefs on others in the name of 'respect', something that's definitely important.
No, the FSM's main purpose is to mock unfalsifiable claims. It's similar to Russell's teapot.
Also, Bobboau, can you clarify what you meant by this?
why don't you just admit you are a reptilian? we can all see it.
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Easy to mock religion, easy to look like a complete idiot. I use to laugh with the Pastafarian jingle, but then sorta realized half of the participants looked more appropriate at a Wal-Mart with a colander on their heads. I can understand the humor, but after a while it gets stale, much like Bill Nye's relevance and bemoaning NASCAR.
People of Wal-Mart needs a Pastafarian edition :D
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Also, Bobboau, can you clarify what you meant by this?
He called me a conspiracy theorist, so obviously he's an Illuminati disintel agent working for the NWO's FEMA branch.
Have I clarified my point or do I need to take it to an even more hyperbolic level to rise above poe's law?
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I've performed some thread surgery to split out the frivolous lawsuit discussion, which can now be found here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=91004
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Also, Bobboau, can you clarify what you meant by this?
He called me a conspiracy theorist, so obviously he's an Illuminati disintel agent working for the NWO's FEMA branch.
Have I clarified my point or do I need to take it to an even more hyperbolic level to rise above poe's law?
Thanks. A person (not NGTM-1R) interpreted it as a personal attack, but I thought it might have been a humorous response in the frame of what NGTM-1R said. Looks like it was. Carry on.
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well, that's disappointing, along multiple dimensions.
but anyway, those nutty pastafarians, what will they do next? :)