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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bryan See on December 17, 2015, 06:41:35 am
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I must admit... I'm not just a Star Wars fan, I'm a Trekkie. :)
EDIT: Sorry for that.
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It's [yt][/yt], not [youtube][/youtube].
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As someone who considers Star Wars > Star Trek, i'm slightly confused why all the trailers for SW:TFA only managed to give me a feeling of mild anticipation and this trailer makes me want to watch this movie right eff'in now.
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I've got even odds that this film is going to be a hot mess. I don't mind that this isn't going to be Trek like I remember it, but the last movie had so many problems story-wise (Into Darkness's entire problem is arguably the script) that I have difficulty believing that this film can do better.
Also, the designs for those aliens look trite and half-assed.
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Agreed with That Man and Gray, I think the script needs to be fixed. Star Trek XIV should be the one which gets it fixed and right.
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I've got even odds that this film is going to be a hot mess. I don't mind that this isn't going to be Trek like I remember it, but the last movie had so many problems story-wise (Into Darkness's entire problem is arguably the script) that I have difficulty believing that this film can do better.
Also, the designs for those aliens look trite and half-assed.
Oh please... don't tell me you're one of those people that voted Into Darkness the Worst Star Trek Ever (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/star-trek-into-darkness-voted-worst). It may not be the best but it's way better than some of the first ones... It's certainly far more watchable. Never do I find myself wanting to watch Star Trek The Motion Picture or.. Final Frontier. Once was moooore than enough for those. Into Darkness? Sure, I'll watch that again.
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And post your thoughts verifying that Into Darkness is the worst ever.
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JJ Abrams isn't directing this one so maybe the plot won't be retarded.
But yeah, Into Darkness was still better than Generations, Motion Picture, Final Frontier, or *shudder* Nemesis.
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Surprised they are blowing up the boat this early in the series. Though they haven't really spent any time investing the audience in the Enterprise herself in this iteration of the franchise, she's mostly just been a conveyance. Maybe they'll replace it with something that isn't so ugly.
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how do you expect them to keep it intact when the helm can't see where it's going from the glare
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I notice no one mentioning the word "Insurrection" in their lists of bad Trek. whazupwitdat?
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I think most folks probably try to forget that happened.
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and yet I hear the phrase "worse than Into Darkness" and the flashbacks start.
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Surprised they are blowing up the boat this early in the series. Though they haven't really spent any time investing the audience in the Enterprise herself in this iteration of the franchise, she's mostly just been a conveyance. Maybe they'll replace it with something that isn't so ugly.
They going with the Script I guess ...
... i.e. remember what happened in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock?
yeah, bingo! 3rd movie = Enterprise go kaboom!
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Those aliens looked like Jem'Hadar. Mostly.
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Surprised they are blowing up the boat this early in the series. Though they haven't really spent any time investing the audience in the Enterprise herself in this iteration of the franchise, she's mostly just been a conveyance. Maybe they'll replace it with something that isn't so ugly.
They going with the Script I guess ...
... i.e. remember what happened in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock?
yeah, bingo! 3rd movie = Enterprise go kaboom!
Ugh, I hope not... because then they have to do whales again for the 4th. :p
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Nah. You can't lens flare a humpback whale.
Although they'd probably give it a try. :p
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Those aliens looked like Jem'Hadar. Mostly.
yeah, they do
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Sure thing.
Let's all hope for the best that it turned out to be better than Into Darkness and the 2009 Star Trek film :D
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Have to say, I've enjoyed the Star Trek reboots far more than pretty much all the Next Generation Movies, about on par with ST6 and ST2, and still more than the rest of TOS Movies. Say what you will about Abrams, but at least the two reboots have been somewhat quick-paced and entertaining, facile nonsense about somehow rushing and failing to stop a supernova from consuming Romulus aside.
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Simon Pegg has also gone on record stating that the Trailer is not really representative of the film, so there's that.
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Of course he did, what else he could have said? "Oh yes, the movie has no substance whatsoever. Save your money."
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Oh please... don't tell me you're one of those people that voted Into Darkness the Worst Star Trek Ever (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/star-trek-into-darkness-voted-worst). It may not be the best but it's way better than some of the first ones... It's certainly far more watchable. Never do I find myself wanting to watch Star Trek The Motion Picture or.. Final Frontier. Once was moooore than enough for those. Into Darkness? Sure, I'll watch that again.
I don't think Intro Darkness was the worst ever. It's definitely very hard to unseat Star Trek V from that particular throne. But Into Darkness was a) thematically the same movie as the last one, b) had the same character development for Kirk and Spock as the last one, and c) depended on Kirk and Spock taking very specific actions to allow the rest of the plot to unfold as it does. There's also very flimsy justification for capturing the antagonist at the end rather than just terminating him with extreme prejudice. I also feel like Cumberbatch was overacting a little (or a lot).
That said, Into Darkness was still very pretty, and I did like most of the cast. Simon Pegg and Carl Urban continue to shine, and Alice Eve is every bit a younger Bibi Besch.
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That music, especially when it hits the gangsta pop part... :rolleyes:
Would it make you want to watch it if the trailer had used the trololo song? Because that's about my reaction to this. Except that the trololo song would have been such a mysterious choice that I'd instantly assume there's more to it than meets the eye and that they didn't actually think it sounds great but used it for some other purpose.
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Beastie Boys tracks were already used in the last two films, they established that Kirk listens to them.
Least they didn't use Ch-Check It Out, that might have been too meta.
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Beastie Boys tracks were already used in the last two films, they established that Kirk listens to them.
I don't really recall anything aside from the kid Kirk scene, which was really goofy and unnecessary, but at least in that context (driving a retro car on Earth in the middle of nowhere) contemporary music like that was somewhat less jarring.
And I don't mean that the music in isolation is that bad; it is pretty mild and inoffensive, but when used in that kind of context, it diminishes both because it's so fundamentally out of place.
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I don't think Intro Darkness was the worst ever. It's definitely very hard to unseat Star Trek V from that particular throne.
Oh come on, Nemesis was far worse than 5. 5 should have been a TV episode, it might have worked as one. As a film it's over-long but cram it into a 45 minutes episode and while not great, it wouldn't be close to being the worst thing in TOS. You couldn't save Nemesis.
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yeah, at least it had that "what does god need with a starship" bit
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The Final Frontier nearly killed the film series. Nemesis actually did.
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What reasons do people here have for disliking Nemesis so much? Aside from the obvious plot-hole issues such as detecting a positronic signal from half a galaxy away, that is.
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The massive plot holes were indicative of the incredibly lazy writing. Worse though was the continual attempts to make it into an action movie by featuring stupid, pointless, dune buggy chases and Patrick Stewart channelling Die Hard on the Romulan ship.
It not only a bad Trek film, it was a dreadful movie even if you'd never watched any Trek before.
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Ahh, true. Can't disagree with ya there. Having finally just watched TOS for the first time, I see that Trek should be about exploration of the unknown and our responses to the situations that brings, not pointless action. :)
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What reasons do people here have for disliking Nemesis so much? Aside from the obvious plot-hole issues such as detecting a positronic signal from half a galaxy away, that is.
It was a trainwreck, and it was basically always going to be a trainwreck. Put it this way: LeVar Burton has directed some of the best episodes of Star Trek ever made. He even managed to make Voyager stand up and be counted with Timeless.
This was going to be his movie. A contract to direct was actually written up and he was on board. At the last minute the suits at Paramount brought in somebody who couldn't even pronounce the cast's names properly (Laverne Burton! Maranara Sirtis!) and who had never before directed anything. Burton was told to stuff it.
This was a microcosm of how the production of Nemesis worked, as people who didn't know Star Trek and didn't know movies were brought in, watched Generations and First Contact, failed to understand what it was about those movies that pulled in Star Trek audiences, and built a movie around that failed understanding.
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It was a trainwreck, and it was basically always going to be a trainwreck. Put it this way: LeVar Burton has directed some of the best episodes of Star Trek ever made. He even managed to make Voyager stand up and be counted with Timeless.
This was going to be his movie. A contract to direct was actually written up and he was on board. At the last minute the suits at Paramount brought in somebody who couldn't even pronounce the cast's names properly (Laverne Burton! Maranara Sirtis!) and who had never before directed anything. Burton was told to stuff it.
This was a microcosm of how the production of Nemesis worked, as people who didn't know Star Trek and didn't know movies were brought in, watched Generations and First Contact, failed to understand what it was about those movies that pulled in Star Trek audiences, and built a movie around that failed understanding.
I sincerely hope that this won't be a trainwreck. As for the cast for Star Trek Beyond, I think Whoopi Goldberg should join the cast, because she's a Star Trek fan, could be playing Jackie or Jacqueline, I don't know for sure.
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I think what Bill Nye said. Star Trek is better than Star Wars.
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http://www.australianetworknews.com/star-trek-beyond-update-new-video-interview-reveals-costumes-weapons-mysterious-baby/ (http://www.australianetworknews.com/star-trek-beyond-update-new-video-interview-reveals-costumes-weapons-mysterious-baby/) speaks about new costumes in Star Trek.
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I'm dismayed at anyone who actually considers The Motion Picture part of the "bad" star trek ones.
It's one of my favorites.
And this trailer sucks balls. Sucks. Baaaaaallls. The fast and the furious meets star trek? Really? That's the trajectory here? Well, count me off. I'll watch it when it goes on TV. While playing cards with my family or something. I won't be surprised if I miss 40% of the story at that time.
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I don't think Intro Darkness was the worst ever. It's definitely very hard to unseat Star Trek V from that particular throne.
Oh come on, Nemesis was far worse than 5. 5 should have been a TV episode, it might have worked as one. As a film it's over-long but cram it into a 45 minutes episode and while not great, it wouldn't be close to being the worst thing in TOS. You couldn't save Nemesis.
V was the first one I saw on cinema. I loved it because I was like 8 years old and I was just excited to see the Enterprise and Kirk on a cinema screen. I agree with Karajorma though, V has terrible moments, ridiculous things in it, but it also has a few scenes that, for me, saves it from total ****. Just seeing those three TOS main guys bantering between themselves, the scene about "traumas" and so on (and Kirk saying he needs his pains, etc.) there are a few scenes there that stayed with me while I grew up that I think are worthy material. Bones questioning God was funny. The quest with its religious appeal was also interesting as a theme. It totally screwed up in almost everything else, so yeah.
And now I'm going to write my first big controversial sentence in this thread.
Ready?
Here it is. Star Trek V is actually better than First Contact.
There, I said it. Now call me crazy at will, I'm just chuckling at the spilled coffee that that sentence might generate.
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I think so, Luis.
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Yeah, I have to agree with Luis, there. Final Frontier was daft, but kind of funny. First Contact was a crushing disappointment I wish there was an undo button for.
Main reason is that First Contact completely ruined the scariest badguys Star Trek ever came up with. When I was a kid and the Borg were introduced in TNG season 2, that episode actually gave me nightmares! It was like, space zombies, but with a rationale that actually made sense to me. No one of them any more important. No room for individuality. Kill one, kill one hundred, what did it matter? You couldn't kill them all, and they were never going to stop.
And then First Contact gave them a ****ing Borg Queen who tried to seduce Data...
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Really? Like, did the writers even have the first clue what made the Borg so badass to begin with???
That by itself just makes the whole movie irredeemable in my eyes.
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While it isn't saying much, First Contact was the best TNG movie; of course, TNG movies are consistently mediocre. The movies I consider the best are from the first 6 as are the movies I consider the worst. The TNG and reboots are firmly in the middle.
Anyways I think the failing of some of the Star trek films is they are trying to be another Wrath of Khan.
Into Darkness ticked all the boxes, as did Nemesis, but neither did it with a decently motivated villian we actually cared about seeing gone. First Contact also went much the same direction, but at least that had some interesting dynamic and the Borg actually fit as an antagonist to revisit with Picard's Conflict (though, they did kind of both that).
I just hope this new movie isn't just Search for Spock Mk II given they are blowing up the Enterprise.
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The original explosion of the Enterprise in III (and replayed at IV) was so cinematic at the times, I can't speak highly enough of it. I used to redo that scene with my legos many times.
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You could redo that scene in CGI.
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easy there george