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Just.... dayum.
(And yes, that's all I'm posting. If you don't get it, you haven't seen it yet, and I don't want to spoil anything)
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I don't even watch/read it, but damn indeed.
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If you've read this far just to figure out what Sandwich is talking about, it's Game of Thrones, and it's super spoilery. Stop reading now if you don't want to know.
That was ****ing hard to watch. The imagery of Bran on one hand laying there completely vulnerable and innocent looking, disappearing into the fog and snow, while simultaneously effectively murdering Hodor and robbing him of a normal life... that last scene of young fat Hodor seizing... Fuuuuck. And all on the heels of Summer getting ripped apart.
Also, the actress playing Meera Reed hasnt had much to do this season, but what she's done, she's done well. Really sold the fear.
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Yeah that was pretty tough to watch. :(
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Changed the title to something less spoilery. And Sandwich you should be ****ing ashamed of yourself that I had to do it.
As for the episode itself, I have no idea how Martin managed to sit on something like that for as long as he did. Hodor has been a fan favourite for years.
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Just one more reason for me to hate that kid. I never liked his part of the story, neither in the books or the series. And to be honest the loss of the wolf was more painful to watch then Hodor's final moments. Such a senseless deaths, caused by a boring, annoying kid who didn't give a damn about his teacher's warnings. So, my dear Bran. Do your job <which I suppose will be very important for the story as a whole> and die ASAP. Make some room on the screen for some interesting characters :D. I simply can't stand this character.>
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As for the episode itself, I have no idea how Martin managed to sit on something like that for as long as he did. Hodor has been a fan favourite for years.
Sit on what? I mean, there's no reason to assume that any given individual thing that happens in the show will happen in the books.
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Well, except for the things that are actually confirmed as coming from the books, which apparently happened for this.
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As for the episode itself, I have no idea how Martin managed to sit on something like that for as long as he did. Hodor has been a fan favourite for years.
Sit on what? I mean, there's no reason to assume that any given individual thing that happens in the show will happen in the books.
And that's where you're wrong.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/23/game-of-thrones-major-hodor-reveal-came-from-george-rr-martin
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Sure, if you only mean Hodor == HTD then that's apparently from GRRM (and that's why I asked). There's no telling how much of the context or outcome is similar, though. The whole thing could play out almost identically in the books, or the only similarity could be those three words.
Anyway, there's of course pretty much nothing that hasn't been predicted by a fan theory already, so it's not like no one had correctly guessed the meaning of Hodor ages ago already. :D
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I wonder if they will take the opportunity to introduce Coldhands now or if Meera is going to have to pull a Samwise Gamgee and solo carry Bran's limp ass all the way to the Wall?
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spoiler, coldhands didn't matter and gurm had no interesting ideas for him (see: dorne, stannis, aegon)
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(http://i.imgur.com/7zPQodD.jpg)
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Sure, if you only mean Hodor == HTD then that's apparently from GRRM (and that's why I asked). There's no telling how much of the context or outcome is similar, though. The whole thing could play out almost identically in the books, or the only similarity could be those three words.
Well either way Martin sat on the reveal that Bran had warged into Hodor and fixated him on that phrase since book one. That's quite an impressive feat given how much people like Hodor and how tempting it must have been to speed up that reveal. If the books do something different from that, it's probably cause Martin came up with an even better idea, not because that was what he planned all along.
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Changed the title to something less spoilery. And Sandwich you should be ****ing ashamed of yourself that I had to do it.
I didn't spoil a damn thing, and you know it.
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The discussion did... :nervous:
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You posted a major spoiler for the episode in the thread title. Anyone watching the show is going to figure out that the phrase "Hold the door" is going to be important in the episode. Which makes it quite a big spoiler when you haven't heard it yet 50 minutes in.
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You posted a major spoiler for the episode in the thread title. Anyone watching the show is going to figure out that the phrase "Hold the door" is going to be important in the episode. Which makes it quite a big spoiler when you haven't heard it yet 50 minutes in.
Right - and about 4 seconds after you first hear it, you realize the significance. I didn't post what that significance was. Heck, I didn't even post what show I was referring to . :p
But whatever - you weren't wrong to change the title. Thanks for watching out for that sort of thing - I didn't see any way what I posted could be an effective spoiler, but I didn't consider the replies to said initial post.
ANYway, back on topic. Despite what happened there being, strictly speaking, time travel, it didn't feel that way at all. Bran and the Raven had observed the past before, so that aspect wasn't new. I guess the new bit was their (his) influencing the past. But even that, with the connection to warging, didn't seem time-travel-y.
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I wonder if they will take the opportunity to introduce Coldhands now or if Meera is going to have to pull a Samwise Gamgee and solo carry Bran's limp ass all the way to the Wall?
(http://screencrush.com/442/files/2016/05/got-coldhands-pic.jpg?w=630&cdnnode=1)
Nailed it!
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Yeah! Even better, his sudden (re)appearance after 5 seasons means that LS could still be in the cards! More ammo for that theory: Walder Frey had a bit in this ep, the Blackfish is revealed, and the Brotherhood Without Banners are mentioned - all related to LS in some way or another.
LS is coming, mark my words. :D
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LET'S DISCUSS THE SEASON'S FINALE :D
So it looks that R+L=J is 99% legit after 10'th episode :P. Starks are back in business and all danyfans shall be cheering as she's rolling in. Sh**** days are coming for the Lannisters with everyone against them.
Oh, and now i truly understand why they call the capital the "King's Landing" xD
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How many episodes are left for next season?
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Probably 6 or 7 for both 7'th and 8'th seasons. I'm fine with that, at least that will give the show more speed. And I lost hype for the new books, too much waiting already.
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Oh it's two more seasons? I only thought it was one. I don't watch the show but I enjoy checking up on the recaps. I read the books and am not really a tv person.
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Gotta say, there were no actual surprises in that finale. Pretty much could have predicted everything beforehand, but that's not a bad thing. I think at this point that the viewers and fans knew the majority of where the plotlines were headed, and any major deviation from that would have been more a disappointment than a pleasant surprise.
Actually, scratch that - three surprises, though two are minor:
1) The King's leap of faith.
2) The Queen of Thorns consorting with Dorne I guess was predictable, but nevertheless I hadn't thought of it beforehand.
3) Varys' teleportation. This actually trumps everything from Dany's dragons to the White Walker horde. Teleportation is an unbelievably powerful superpower - one that Dany's stupid to be ignoring.
I liked how the chandeliers in the library were revealed to be what that intro inverted globe map sequence has been orbiting all this time.
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(https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516271_933407930115525_1780629683306717842_n.jpg?oh=d2d6542f35d96711a2e2026270c957e1&oe=58040DAB)
And a sweet little detail which brought a big smile on my face :)
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1) The King's leap of faith. It's the most literal the city's name has been since Aegeon the Conqueror!
3) Varys' teleportation. This actually trumps everything from Dany's dragons to the White Walker horde. Teleportation is an unbelievably powerful superpower - one that Dany's stupid to be ignoring. Vary's only transported himself, Yara and Theon teleport'd an entire fleet. Given their previous sailing performance Dany will be in Westeros 11 months before the next season starts. The Drowned God is stronk!
Going back an episode, while it still had some technical faults as student of the sword I really appreciated the Battle of the Bastards doing its level best to portray how random a pitched battle was as well as the very real danger of being trampled under a mass of humanity a la Agincourt
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Changed the title so that people will be expecting spoilers for the latest episode.
Also I made this. Brits should appreciate it.
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LS is coming, mark my words. :D
So yeah. Since the BWB were no-shows the rest of the season, I suspect LSH might be a big reveal next season. I hope... :nervous:
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So yeah. Since the BWB were no-shows the rest of the season, I suspect LSH might be a big reveal next season. I hope... :nervous:
It might! Just like aliens and robots. I hope there will be a big reveal of aliens and robots. :yes: :yes: :yes:
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I hate to say it, but I'm going to say it: the show has gotten infinitely better now that it is working only with Martin's plot outlines, rather than his actual writing. I love the books, but the books did not adapt particularly well to television and 'Meanwhile in Dorne' syndrome was annoying in the books, but utterly pace-killing in the show.
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People have been making all kinds of jokes about Varys teleporting to Dorne and back. They seem to forget that in the shows based on Martin's books he would have left in Episode 1 and we'd still be waiting for him to get back from Dorne.
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I hate to say it, but I'm going to say it: the show has gotten infinitely better now that it is working only with Martin's plot outlines, rather than his actual writing. I love the books, but the books did not adapt particularly well to television and 'Meanwhile in Dorne' syndrome was annoying in the books, but utterly pace-killing in the show.
The last episode was certainly the best of seasons 5-6 both, but to me one good episode can't salvage two otherwise bad seasons. I think the show was infinitely better back in seasons 1-4 when they were still actually using Martin's writing. I mean, there's basically no similarities with seasons 5-6 and the books except some of the same plotpoints.
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well both the latter books and season 5 of the show had godawful pacing
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Everyone's trying to play Total War and Cersei's sittin in King's Landing playing Tropico
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cersei's playing little inferno 2: big inferno
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I hate to say it, but I'm going to say it: the show has gotten infinitely better now that it is working only with Martin's plot outlines, rather than his actual writing. I love the books, but the books did not adapt particularly well to television and 'Meanwhile in Dorne' syndrome was annoying in the books, but utterly pace-killing in the show.
The last episode was certainly the best of seasons 5-6 both, but to me one good episode can't salvage two otherwise bad seasons. I think the show was infinitely better back in seasons 1-4 when they were still actually using Martin's writing. I mean, there's basically no similarities with seasons 5-6 and the books except some of the same plotpoints.
That's not a bad thing.
Season 1 was pretty close to the books, but they took some big liberties in seasons 2-4 for time and made some decisions I didn't always agree with. Also, pacing. Martin's pacing isn't suited to television, and while the show worked around it reasonably well with the material they had, season 6 really shone because they could finally pace out the material in a manner that makes sense natively on the screen.
Book-to-series adaptations are always difficult, but ASOIAF struggles with its pacing and hugely irrelevant forays even in the novel format. Diverging the books and the show will do nothing but make both better, and I think it already has (Battle of the Bastards being truly exemplary of this).
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That's not a bad thing.
Season 1 was pretty close to the books, but they took some big liberties in seasons 2-4 for time and made some decisions I didn't always agree with. Also, pacing. Martin's pacing isn't suited to television, and while the show worked around it reasonably well with the material they had, season 6 really shone because they could finally pace out the material in a manner that makes sense natively on the screen.
Book-to-series adaptations are always difficult, but ASOIAF struggles with its pacing and hugely irrelevant forays even in the novel format. Diverging the books and the show will do nothing but make both better, and I think it already has (Battle of the Bastards being truly exemplary of this).
What I mean by Martin's writing is good dialogue, characterization, and plot. Not pacing or whether his writing also involves irrelevant forays; obviously, in an adaptation pacing is changed and unnecessary material gets cut, that goes without saying.
My problem with the show's writing is primarily how there's plot holes everywhere, characterization is inconsistent, valuable time is wasted on tits, stupid jokes and fanservice, how the dialogue gets bafflingly anachronistic at times, there's just plain continuity errors and the focus is so heavily on constantly trying to shock the audience and having big moments at the expense of plot logic.
I'll never complain that they shouldn't have cut this or that secondary character or plotline, except when they're replaced with something that's obviously worse than what the source material allowed for. For example, want to cut Dorne? Sure, fine, there's only a limited amount of screentime per season, you need new locations, quite a few new characters. Perfectly understandable if there just isn't enough time for it. But it's completely inexcusable to have it and then do with it what they actually did. With the same amount of time and resources, they could have just adapted the queenmaker plot and made it ten times better than what we got.
As for the BotB, for me it was basically pointless fanservice spectacle, as the plotlines leading up to it were nonsense. Sure, it was visually wonderful and there were some really pretty shots, but what's the point if the story underneath doesn't make sense? Technically impressive visual spectacle is a dime a dozen these days, and if I had to choose, I'd much rather have a better story with the battle happening off-screen than a bad story with an impressive on-screen battle. Blackwater and Watchers on the Wall were much better episodes, not because the battles were more spectacular (well, the latter was), but because they made much more sense so I was able to actually be invested.
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I don't read the books, and I only even saw the show for the first time about a year ago. I by no means get really involved with this.
I was pretty bored by this whole season.