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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Martinus on August 06, 2002, 06:44:34 pm
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Got it for my birfday on saturday.
It's just excellent, anyone who likes this genre should definetly check it out. :nod:
That and the lord of the rings DVD. *bliss* ^_^
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I see someone had a good birthday, but I dont want to comment on the LotR thing because I wouldnt be able todo it with doing an impression of Connan O'Brien of LotR fans :)
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*goes to watch Triumph mock Star Wars and LOTR fans*
Ahhh, I needed that
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I can't stand coldplay...
LoTR(whatever little I saw) was awesome in theatres...
If you want real music: Download some Slayer, Pantera, Metalica, and Godsmack.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
Got it for my birfday on saturday.
It's just excellent, anyone who likes this genre should definetly check it out. :nod:
That and the lord of the rings DVD. *bliss* ^_^
Cool, I suppose.
But what the heck is a birfday? :D
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Coldplay are a poor man's Radiohead. But :lol: @ Metallica as an alternative to them... :p :D
Okay okay, so the new stuff really is a lot better than Parachutes. But isn't it out at the end of the month, not now?
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"Yellow" by coldplay is a pretty neat song... one of the better ones
I too got LOTR yesterday :D which version did you get? full/widescreen
i got widescreen :D can't wait for the other two discs full of special features coming nov 12 :)
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Originally posted by Styxx
Cool, I suppose.
But what the heck is a birfday? :D
a ghetto birthday
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Originally posted by Stealth
"Yellow" by coldplay is a pretty neat song... one of the better ones
I agree it's listenable but a bit repetitive. Shiver is the best song off that album. The end of Parachutes is horibly dull though. :doubt:
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It's out?! Damn..... I've been waiting for that album for months.... (odd - I'm on the mailing list, so I normally get a postcard pre-release...... got one for the single 'In My Place'...)
BTw, IMO 'Spies' and 'Trouble' are the best songs on Parachutes ;)
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I really liked parachutes and I also like radiohead and would not consider coldplay to be the cheap version.
As for metallica, pantera etc. I got bored of those when I was 17. Metal isn't really my bag anymore although I do like System of a down. I'm a changable fella though. :nod:
I got the non widescreen version of LOTR, 3 days before the offical release. Somehow...
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
I really liked parachutes and I also like radiohead and would not consider coldplay to be the cheap version.
I was just razzin' you. :p
I still don't think Coldplay are a patch on Radiohead (yet) for sheer experimentalism but RH do have a few albums' lead on them.
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I wasn't miffed by your comment.
I still have my little theory that there's no such thing as bad music as long as someone likes it. It's a good thing too, look at how diverse music is.
There's music that you like and there's music you don't like, just because you hate some genre/band doesn't mean it's bad. :)
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I don't think Radiohead have made a good song for aggggeeeeessssss........ not that I've heard. I can only remeber 2 of the singles from the last 2 albums - Pyramid Song and some really depressing one with a big heart and a train in the video. That said, Just and 'anyone can play guitar' are classics :)
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
I still have my little theory that there's no such thing as bad music as long as someone likes it. It's a good thing too, look at how diverse music is.
I happen to disgree with you, Maeg. I'm not just going to leave it at that, I'll tell you why.
By saying that music which was previously qualitatively 'bad' and 'good' now has equal merit you destroy all reason that a person has to strive to make music - they can just dash anything off and it will still be 'good'. The object of criticism is removed.
Basically, rather than making the pretty-good-by-the-sounds-of-it new album they have, Coldplay could have written some Hunagrian nose flute limericks, and you wouldn't be able to say it was bad. However, since they'll get criticised in the current climate so people won't buy the record, they've tried hard to make a good album.
Originally posted by aldo_14
I don't think Radiohead have made a good song for aggggeeeeessssss........ not that I've heard. I can only remeber 2 of the singles from the last 2 albums - Pyramid Song and some really depressing one with a big heart and a train in the video. That said, Just and 'anyone can play guitar' are classics
Meh. Kid A and Amnesiac are two of the bravest statements that a band of Radiohead's commercial magnitude have made in recent years. Even though they're flawed, at least they tried to put down the guitars and do something different than The Bends-era stuff (which I like, but) that everyone now copies or the feeble grunge of Pablo Honey (which I really don't like, sorry).
And besides, everyone knows that any track off OK Computer is better than any track off their first album. :D :p ;)
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Hmm.........I had a quick look in the high street today and couldn't see the coldplay album anywhere - how did you manage to blag one? earlier release date over in your neck of the woods or summat?
BTw, has anyone listened to 'the Coral' 's album yet? Thinking of buying that......
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Originally posted by Kellan
By saying that music which was previously qualitatively 'bad' and 'good' now has equal merit you destroy all reason that a person has to strive to make music - they can just dash anything off and it will still be 'good'. The object of criticism is removed.
I don't think you're following me, let me give you an example: I hate rap music with a passion, I cannot say that rap music is bad though because my friend likes it and other people listen to it and enjoy it. It's just something that doesn't agree with me. You can't claim that something is bad just because you don't like it.
Basically, rather than making the pretty-good-by-the-sounds-of-it new album they have, Coldplay could have written some Hunagrian nose flute limericks, and you wouldn't be able to say it was bad. However, since they'll get criticised in the current climate so people won't buy the record, they've tried hard to make a good album.
If Coldplay did release a hungarian nose flute album and someone enjoyed it then you can only conclude that it is good music because as music itself is an artform it is how the person interprets it and not just a pattern of notes played at a particular pitch and volume.
See what I mean now?
BTW Aldo, it hasn't been released here yet either. My friend somehow 'acquired' the tracks and burnt it onto a CD for me. I'm going to buy a legit copy as soon as it hits the shelves though. :nod:
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f3ar not, i too hate rap music
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
I don't think you're following me, let me give you an example: I hate rap music with a passion, I cannot say that rap music is bad though because my friend likes it and other people listen to it and enjoy it. It's just something that doesn't agree with me. You can't claim that something is bad just because you don't like it.
Okay, I followed you all along - but what I meant was that although there is good music that you don't particularly like, like rap (and face it, there are some good rap artists out there who put effort in, use imagination etc) - there are also people who make bad music.
There's a difference between music you don't like because you don't like it, and music you don't like because it is genuinely, technically bad - as in, dashed off in a few minutes with none of the thought, imagination and effort that others take.
I guess the nose flute analogy was a bad one. It would take some effort to play it, and if Coldplay could do it with skill, then yes, they're "experimenting" and this is good. However, if their next album was 8 tracks, 10 seconds long each of a single chord guitar strum, it would be bad. :D
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Originally posted by Kellan
However, if their next album was 8 tracks, 10 seconds long each of a single chord guitar strum, it would be bad. :D
Well, if that sort of thing sold well - I'd have an album. :p
coldplay album seems good, though... I got a few of the tracks off of WinMX, and they're topnotch. Release is Aug 26th, BTW - so only 2(ish) weeks :) shame the supergrass ones not till the end of Sept, though :(
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Well, if that sort of thing sold well - I'd have an album. :p
Exactly. If you could release music like that and it would be called "good", what would the Coldplays of this world bother for? :lol:
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Originally posted by Kellan
Exactly. If you could release music like that and it would be called "good", what would the Coldplays of this world bother for? :lol:
Mind you.... I'd rather have that than another bloody pop group album. Or another series of Pish...sorry, Pop... Idol.
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Originally posted by Kellan
Okay, I followed you all along - but what I meant was that although there is good music that you don't particularly like, like rap (and face it, there are some good rap artists out there who put effort in, use imagination etc) - there are also people who make bad music.
There's a difference between music you don't like because you don't like it, and music you don't like because it is genuinely, technically bad - as in, dashed off in a few minutes with none of the thought, imagination and effort that others take.
I guess the nose flute analogy was a bad one. It would take some effort to play it, and if Coldplay could do it with skill, then yes, they're "experimenting" and this is good. However, if their next album was 8 tracks, 10 seconds long each of a single chord guitar strum, it would be bad. :D
Well as I see it anyone who likes a band that has no techincal ability isn't really in it for the technical side of it anyway. People don't listen to techno because it's technically brilliant (well a minority of it is) they listen because it excites them or makes them feel good, same as with other genres like boybands/girlbands. At the other end of the spectrum you've got the likes of Steve Vai, he's possibly one of the most technically gifted guitarists on the planet but I can't listen to his non stop soloing and it's the same with other people.
Music is many things to many people, you can't merit it on technical ability alone. I listen to lots of music that other people consider crap just for the feelgood factor or because it's novel or just because it's funny. (God bless you weird Al) :)
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...Hmmm, lets see.
Just becuase someone somewhere likes a band or artist, it doesnt really make that band good. As mentioned before, people like bands for things other than music, i'm sure most teenage girls are mostly more intrested in the bands members.
Other people just listen to certain music because they think it looks cool, ie white people listening to rap music.
Not that there's anything wrong with some rap music. Some of it is quite funky, and i listen to it.
What makes a bad record/band, in my opinion, is people who aren't doing anything different. A lot of pop bands do this, they recycle old material and stick to the same formula with some lame vocals over the top. However, a band who does things new, who stears where they're genre goes in the future, and is always putting out inovative music, is a creative band, and healthy for music in general.
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Originally posted by beatspete
...Hmmm, lets see.
Just becuase someone somewhere likes a band or artist, it doesnt really make that band good. As mentioned before, people like bands for things other than music, i'm sure most teenage girls are mostly more intrested in the bands members.
Other people just listen to certain music because they think it looks cool, ie white people listening to rap music.
Not that there's anything wrong with some rap music. Some of it is quite funky, and i listen to it.
What makes a bad record/band, in my opinion, is people who aren't doing anything different. A lot of pop bands do this, they recycle old material and stick to the same formula with some lame vocals over the top. However, a band who does things new, who stears where they're genre goes in the future, and is always putting out inovative music, is a creative band, and healthy for music in general.
Oh I'm all for innovation don't get me wrong but I can also identify with those people who just like a certain type of music. You can claim that people are just recycling old material but the public are buying it, sure some of it advertises a fashionable lifestyle but a lot of people genuinely like the new Oasis album for example, even though they have made absolutely no evolution in their material at all.
One of my favourite bands ACDC has kept going with the same formula for years, I still listen to them and would rate it as good music.
I'm a little idealistic anyway so I often try to see things in the best light so my theories may get influenced by how I see the situation. :)