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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Riven on August 07, 2002, 03:39:13 am
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Well Pegasus said it would be good if the map could show which planet was selected. Well check this out: Map (http://freespace.virgin.net/riven.home/map/map2.htm)
So now i've done that i want to know how you want to display the info? See the poll above.
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Hey, that targetting thing looks really cool! Great stuff! I have three more suggestions for you to choose:
- Keep it the way it is.
- Instead of lines, have a targetting reticle around the selected system (like square brackets, but just the corners).
- Or make the system icon sphere thingy change colour when selected.
Either of these would be great.
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i think i'll keep the targeting thing the way it is. I tried originaly to use a reticle but it looked rather ugly however i did it. Plus (i dont know if you looked at the code or if you understood it) the current targeter is made of 2 layers with just the back ground colour. This means it has a negligable effect on loading time which is important with the map as a large image.
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Originally posted by Riven
This means it has a negligable effect on loading time which is important with the map as a large image.
Indeed.
Your map is cool.
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That looks very good Riven... very nice, and professional looking too!
Just a suggestion, i'm not complaining, just suggesting:
Have you ever thought about doing this in Flash?
The size will be about the same (filesize)(possibly less)... and the 'crosshairs' are MUCH easier to do, and you can do special effects, like for example when you hover over a system a window pops down from beneath it giving some of the statistics, etc. of it
i'll see if i can make a quick demo... possibly tomorrow,
but think about it in the meantime
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http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/testcrosshairs.swf
a demo! :)
and it's only 300 and something bytes... you don't get better than that :D
EDIT: Wrong smilie and wrong URL :D
EDIT2: By adding another 10 or 20 bytes perhaps you can disable the mouse icon, so it'll just be the crosshairs
EDIT3: In "Edit2" i said "perhaps you can disable the mouse icon"... what i meant to say is you CAN disable it... it's really easy, like 2 seconds... the 'perhaps' was supposed to go with the '10 or 20 bytes' :)
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i did consider flash but as much as this is a useful project for the community i also was trying to learn about how to use layers in dreamweaver. Also i dont think i want the targeting lines to follow the mouse becuse they are just being used as an easy way to locate the current system. Nice bit of flash work you did though:nod: . I am not hugely experienced in action script but could figure most things that i would need out. If you want an eg. of my flash work then check out the GCA site.
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nice work on that navigation on GCA Riven! That logo at the bottom that has the 'ripples' in it... did you do that in another program? how did you do that? it's possible to do something like that in Flash, but it's pretty complicated, and i don't think you did that particular one in Flash.
Even though you don't want the crosshairs to follow the mouse, it's still cool to have when you click a system all the information pops up about it, and it's highlighted, or starts rotating or something :D (i guess that could be done in javascipt, but Flash 0wns javascript!!! :) )
nonetheless, that GCA site looks really neat! good work!
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the nav bar on the GCA site is mine but Zarax did the ripple pool. Its a java applete that he got off the web.
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i thought it was a Java applet. Flash is based on Java anyway
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http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/hostedpictures/systemmaptest.swf
only altair and deneb work, and they don't wory well... once you click one of them you can't click something else, cause i did it in like 2 minutes :D
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Yes but mine is bigger so you can see it and once you click a planet on yours you cant click the other!
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Originally posted by Riven
Yes but mine is bigger so you can see it and once you click a planet on yours you cant click the other!
Tip: Don't brag. :no:
:nod:
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Originally posted by Riven
Yes but mine is bigger so you can see it and once you click a planet on yours you cant click the other!
yours is bigger, but i set flash to fit to the screen... it's easy to make it the same size as yours...
and the only reason you can click one then not another is because i only did two... if you do the whole thing in flash then once you click one you can click on another easily...
*sigh*
EDIT: My mistake... i said "Java" instead of "Javascript"... but anything you can do in Javascript you can do better in Flash
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Stealth's right about that, if you think not check out the new features for Flash MX, they're beyond words. I was just going to say flash is much smoother but you two did both great work. :yes: :D
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Wow, I must say, that is really impressive, both of you! :yes2: :nod: :yes:
Now I wanna see you both working together, instead of taking potshots at what is better and what isn't. Think of more ways to expand and enhance the map - database integration, for one. :)
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You're really getting into this whole Admin thing are't you? :p
Acting all mature and authorative... I mean.... :D
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Originally posted by vyper
You're really getting into this whole Admin thing are't you? :p
Acting all mature and authorative... I mean.... :D
*thinks*
Yep. :D
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Just like Styxx. :p both were OT posting spammers.
*runs fast, and hides*
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Originally posted by Redfang
Just like Styxx. :p both were OT posting spammers.
*runs fast, and hides*
To each his own, as they say. :D
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we're not arguing Sandwich, we're discussing :)
I personally think anything done in Java would be better in Flash (which is Javascript based)
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Originally posted by Stealth
we're not arguing Sandwich, we're discussing :)
Never said you were arguing. Taking potshots ain't quite the same.... it's generally more violent. ;)
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lol :lol:
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Originally posted by Stealth
I personally think anything done in Java would be better in Flash (which is Javascript based)
No it isn't. Not even remotely. It does use ECMAScript as its scripting language, but that was only introduced as of version 5.
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I use Flash MX. Its a very good program!
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Originally posted by Tiara
I use Flash MX. Its a very good program!
*is jealous*
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Originally posted by vyper
*is jealous*
May I ask why?
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
No it isn't. Not even remotely. It does use ECMAScript as its scripting language, but that was only introduced as of version 5.
tell me one thing done in Javascript and i'll bet i can better it in Flash!
Javascript: oooooh, a rollover image
EDIT: http://www.xeofreestyle.com/2000/ - Flash 4
and http://www.xeofreestyle.com/2002/ - Flash MX
try doing the flash 4 one in javascript. or www.whosme.com check that out! i mean, overall, anything... ANYTHING you can display on a webpage with javascript you can do better in Flash
EDIT: It's my mistake... i thought you were saying Javascript was better than Flash (which it isn't)... but you were saying Java is different than Javascript, (which you're right... it is)
I meant that Javascript is somewhat similar to Java in the way it's set up with the "{" and the ("whatever"); etc.
Java is very different to Javascript, i know that
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anyone know where I can find a demo or sommat that is at least semi-functional demo
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Coffee Cup Firestarter - Exports to SWF files, much MUCH easier than flash. If you want Flash effects without learning Flash, then this is what you need
SwIsH - Try it :)
Flash 5/MX/etc Demo - Semi-functional
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i just got flash mx, it kicks some ass!:yes:
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Originally posted by Riven
i just got flash mx, it kicks some ass!:yes:
mess around with it... Flash MX is awesome
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Originally posted by Stealth
tell me one thing done in Javascript and i'll bet i can better it in Flash!
Javascript: oooooh, a rollover image
EDIT: http://www.xeofreestyle.com/2000/ - Flash 4
and http://www.xeofreestyle.com/2002/ - Flash MX
try doing the flash 4 one in javascript. or www.whosme.com check that out! i mean, overall, anything... ANYTHING you can display on a webpage with javascript you can do better in Flash
Java is NOT Javascript...
Every Java Applet is a separate program...
Depending on a programmer's skill, a java applet can be much worse to much better than flash...
Don't underestimate the power of Java...
A good programmer can make serious work with it...
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Originally posted by Zarax
A) Java is NOT Javascript...
B) Every Java Applet is a separate program...
C) Depending on a programmer's skill, a java applet can be much worse to much better than flash...
D) Don't underestimate the power of Java...
E) A good programmer can make serious work with it...
A) I never said Java was the same as Javascript...
B) No Kidding
C) We're not talking about Java, we're talking JavaSCRIPT
D) I don't... i'm learning Java
E) uhhh, ok?
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Originally posted by Stealth
tell me one thing done in Javascript and i'll bet i can better it in Flash!
Javascript: oooooh, a rollover image
EDIT: http://www.xeofreestyle.com/2000/ - Flash 4
and http://www.xeofreestyle.com/2002/ - Flash MX
try doing the flash 4 one in javascript. or www.whosme.com check that out! i mean, overall, anything... ANYTHING you can display on a webpage with javascript you can do better in Flash
EDIT: It's my mistake... i thought you were saying Javascript was better than Flash (which it isn't)... but you were saying Java is different than Javascript, (which you're right... it is)
I meant that Javascript is somewhat similar to Java in the way it's set up with the "{" and the ("whatever"); etc.
Java is very different to Javascript, i know that
Your talking of two seperate things handled and processed in two entirely different ways. Java is not great nor is Javascript due to it being a resource hog, but flash still takes some resources to run too.
Flash is better, but not for everything.
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Your talking of two seperate things handled and processed in two entirely different ways. Java is not great nor is Javascript due to it being a resource hog, but flash still takes some resources to run too.
Flash is better, but not for everything.
don't make me look like an idiot. i just SAID that they're two different things!!!
Flash uses hardly any resources... sure it's best used on a fast computer, but what can you POSSIBLY do in Javascript that you can't do in Flash? a roll-over button perhaps?
also, Flash can have great movie quality and length, etc. and a very small file size!
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Originally posted by Stealth
don't make me look like an idiot. i just SAID that they're two different things!!!
One script i like to use is a preload image script made in Java, with small GIF images. Why go through the hell of flash to make fancy push down buttons when i can use a small script with 12 really small (3 to 10KB each) buttons?
Trust me, doing it in flash is far more time consuming then straight in HTML with Javascripting.
Ever heard of Dreamweaver? LOL it makes Java scripts for you at the click of a button.
BTW im just here stating my opinion and commenting. Im not trying to make anyone look foolish just having a nice back and forth with some HLP dudes. If i insulted you and made you look bad I apologize for that is not my goal here. Only to help give a more rounded opinion in this here post.
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:D Guys give it up, just face it Java has some good areas, Javascript has more good areas but flash 5 and MX just have a much wider scope but you may as well say that neither of the codes that exist can't exactly live without each other and anyway this is a rather pointless argument...
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Originally posted by Lonestar
One script i like to use is a preload image script made in Java, with small GIF images. Why go through the hell of flash to make fancy push down buttons when i can use a small script with 12 really small (3 to 10KB each) buttons?
Trust me, doing it in flash is far more time consuming then straight in HTML with Javascripting.
Ever heard of Dreamweaver? LOL it makes Java scripts for you at the click of a button.
BTW im just here stating my opinion and commenting. Im not trying to make anyone look foolish just having a nice back and forth with some HLP dudes. If i insulted you and made you look bad I apologize for that is not my goal here. Only to help give a more rounded opinion in this here post.
i didn't say it was easier... i said it's better (it looks better too)
oh, and Max... we're not talking about java, we're only talking javascript and flash :) Flash is based on Javascript, so...