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Site Management => Site Support / Feedback => Topic started by: jr2 on February 24, 2017, 12:19:35 am
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Just realized anything posted that's interesting to a great deal of the HLP population may be on the ignore list (like the SHA1 collision thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=93248.0) I just posted in Gen Disc, or the liquid crystal 3x PPI display thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=93118.0) or the Ryzen pricing thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=93170.0).
On that topic, perhaps a sci-fi thread may be in order as well.
Reason I'm saying this is no one here finds those things objectionable, and they don't fit in Gaming Discussion (ok, maybe the Ryzen and PPI threads could be justified as it's related to gaming tech) or Programming (although SHA1 could sort of fit there).
Thoughts?
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I think that anyone interested in that sort of thing already goes to Gen Discuss for it.
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I think that anyone interested in that sort of thing already goes to Gen Discuss for it.
I thought there were several members that actively avoided Gen Disc and were happy it no longer showed up in unread topics? AFAIK they aren't the type to not enjoy tech stuff (I honestly don't know if there's anyone here that doesn't enjoy tech to varying degrees). That was what I was thinking, anyway. Also categorization.
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I think that anyone interested in that sort of thing already goes to Gen Discuss for it.
I thought there were several members that actively avoided Gen Disc and were happy it no longer showed up in unread topics? AFAIK they aren't the type to not enjoy tech stuff (I honestly don't know if there's anyone here that doesn't enjoy tech to varying degrees). That was what I was thinking, anyway. Also categorization.
Yeah, my understanding is that people avoid gen disc like plague due to the political & co touchy topics, hence why some people suggested that gen disc could be split in two.
Currently, generic tech stuff, whatever happens in your life, what are you reading/watching/listening to topics are standing side-by-side with the do-not-want topics.
Although perhaps this discussion should take place in the "let's talk" topic ?
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I think that anyone interested in that sort of thing already goes to Gen Discuss for it.
I thought there were several members that actively avoided Gen Disc and were happy it no longer showed up in unread topics? AFAIK they aren't the type to not enjoy tech stuff (I honestly don't know if there's anyone here that doesn't enjoy tech to varying degrees). That was what I was thinking, anyway. Also categorization.
Yeah, my understanding is that people avoid gen disc like plague due to the political & co touchy topics, hence why some people suggested that gen disc could be split in two.
Currently, generic tech stuff, whatever happens in your life, what are you reading/watching/listening to topics are standing side-by-side with the do-not-want topics.
Although perhaps this discussion should take place in the "let's talk" topic ?
I was trying to avoid derailing that topic. Perhaps a link to this topic, or is the consensus that it would be better discussed there?
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Thoughts?
I wrote a really snarky, sarcastic reply to one of your tech threads today, and then held off on posting it to avoid being a complete bag of dicks.
The thrust of it was--and it's encapsulated in the three threads you chose as examples--that you don't have anything to say about tech. In all three of those threads, you posted a link without comment to an article (or quoted the article in its entirety, without further comment), under a thread title almost identical to the title of the article itself. On the occasions when that does kick off a discussion, you often opt not to reply, unless you were addressed directly.
I'm not opposed to a dedicated tech subforum. I'm also not opposed to a dedicated politics and religion subforum being made to detoxify General Discussion for those who avoid that kind of content. I just don't think that the person who posts empty threads that link to other people's thoughts on technology has much cause to advocate for either of those changes.
(That's about as diplomatic as I can manage right now.)
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I wrote a really snarky, sarcastic reply to one of your tech threads today, and then held off on posting it to avoid being a complete bag of dicks.
The thrust of it was--and it's encapsulated in the three threads you chose as examples--that you don't have anything to say about tech. In all three of those threads, you posted a link without comment to an article (or quoted the article in its entirety, without further comment), under a thread title almost identical to the title of the article itself. On the occasions when that does kick off a discussion, you often opt not to reply, unless you were addressed directly.
I'm not opposed to a dedicated tech subforum. I'm also not opposed to a dedicated politics and religion subforum being made to detoxify General Discussion for those who avoid that kind of content. I just don't think that the person who posts empty threads that link to other people's thoughts on technology has much cause to advocate for either of those changes.
(That's about as diplomatic as I can manage right now.)
Honestly, I would kind of agree with this. In the past, I've warned people for just doing drive-by link posting; I find it to be generally uninteresting and (depending on context) kind of rude.
Look at it this way: If I see a techy post from someone, I am generally not so much interested in the news link (since chances are that I've already seen it elsewhere), but rather in whatever the person posting the link is taking away from it.
(And yes, on a more general note, if we absolutely do have to have a toxic zone, it should be firewalled from the good discussions as much as possible)
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GenDisc no longer appears on unread topics?
Well thank you for giving me the notice, I guess. Always learning things.
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It came up on the thread in the announcements board. If you're not reading announcements, how were we supposed to tell you? :p
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I demand personal announcements to be made directly to me, preferably hand written in an expensive paper, with a royal stamp on it, sent out to my personal home.
I won't tell you what my address really is either, what are you a stalker or smth?
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Unread posts is for modding and FS stuff now.
For a list of general tech/science threads you can just click on GenDisc!
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Yeah I even agree with it, it may do great good to my blood pressure. I was just surprised by it that's all.
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I demand personal announcements to be made directly to me, preferably hand written in an expensive paper, with a royal stamp on it, sent out to my personal home.
Should we cut corners on those papers as well Luis? (http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6040117/memos-to-the-battlestar-galactica) :P
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I think I'm just going to start a thread labeled 'stuff jr2 finds interesting' so that certain people don't have to be burdened reading everything I have to say. It's even in Gen Disc, so you won't see it unless you go looking for it. :rolleyes:
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I'm trying not to get mad about this again, but it irks me that those of us who regularly read GenDisc have to now jump thru extra hoops to see unread posts there, while the option to ignore it on Unread Posts ALREADY EXISTS for those who don't want to see anything in that forum. The haters got their way, and killed GenDisc, even though there were other reasonable alternatives and suggestions, such as putting it behind a member wall or having people request access to it.
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I'm trying not to get mad about this again, but it irks me that those of us who regularly read GenDisc have to now jump thru extra hoops to see unread posts there, while the option to ignore it on Unread Posts ALREADY EXISTS for those who don't want to see anything in that forum. The haters got their way, and killed GenDisc, even though there were other reasonable alternatives and suggestions, such as putting it behind a member wall or having people request access to it.
Just bookmark it, that's what I'll be doing. I've been ignoring certain threads in Gen Disc for a while now as I know which ones will invariably turn into a snark-fest, so it's not like I'm going to start foaming at the mouth if I see a thread title I don't like. :rolleyes:
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Psst.
https://is.gd/hlpgendisc
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Shockingly you can still go down and open up the completely-visible folder from the main index. In a new tab too, if you so desire! :p
I think I'm just going to start a thread labeled 'stuff jr2 finds interesting' so that certain people don't have to be burdened reading everything I have to say. It's even in Gen Disc, so you won't see it unless you go looking for it. :rolleyes:
There's nothing wrong with posting interesting stuff, but generally speaking, simply posting a drive-by link without starting off the conversation yourself isn't a great way to engender discussion. It doesn't have to be a whole essay or anything, just a sentence or two! Also, copypasta-ing the entire article text doesn't really accomplish anything (unless it's behind a subscriber wall or something) and just bloats the OP. Quote a short blurb from it: if people are interested in reading the whole thing, they can click through to the original article.
(Also if you're wondering what happened to your Ryzen thread, I merged it with the active one in Gaming.)
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Shockingly you can still go down and open up the completely-visible folder from the main index. In a new tab too, if you so desire! :p
I think I'm just going to start a thread labeled 'stuff jr2 finds interesting' so that certain people don't have to be burdened reading everything I have to say. It's even in Gen Disc, so you won't see it unless you go looking for it. :rolleyes:
There's nothing wrong with posting interesting stuff, but generally speaking, simply posting a drive-by link without starting off the conversation yourself isn't a great way to engender discussion. It doesn't have to be a whole essay or anything, just a sentence or two! Also, copypasta-ing the entire article text doesn't really accomplish anything (unless it's behind a subscriber wall or something) and just bloats the OP. Quote a short blurb from it: if people are interested in reading the whole thing, they can click through to the original article.
(Also if you're wondering what happened to your Ryzen thread, I merged it with the active one in Gaming.)
Thanks.
I just feel wrong re-stating the obvious. Makes me feel like a bloviating blow-hard, honestly, if I don't actually add anything to what's already stated in the article. If I feel the audience might need a little push to get their interest piqued, sure, but about everyone here loves tech things, so...
I guess I'll have to fight that feeling and provide summaries anyway.
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I'm trying not to get mad about this again, but it irks me that those of us who regularly read GenDisc have to now jump thru extra hoops to see unread posts there, while the option to ignore it on Unread Posts ALREADY EXISTS for those who don't want to see anything in that forum. The haters got their way, and killed GenDisc, even though there were other reasonable alternatives and suggestions, such as putting it behind a member wall or having people request access to it.
I — bh — wuh — but how is it dead? Is it that much of an extra hoop to click on 'general discussion' instead of 'show unread posts' on the forum index?
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Could we opt in to Gen Disc on recent posts the way you used to be able to opt out?
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I'm trying not to get mad about this again, but it irks me that those of us who regularly read GenDisc have to now jump thru extra hoops to see unread posts there, while the option to ignore it on Unread Posts ALREADY EXISTS for those who don't want to see anything in that forum. The haters got their way, and killed GenDisc, even though there were other reasonable alternatives and suggestions, such as putting it behind a member wall or having people request access to it.
I — bh — wuh — but how is it dead? Is it that much of an extra hoop to click on 'general discussion' instead of 'show unread posts' on the forum index?
The reason i said "dead" is because there have been so few posts there since it was removed from "unread topics". But maybe there were not that many before anyway; since I almost exclusively used the view unread posts I rarely noticed what board a post was in.
Regarding the hoops, thank you for reiterating my point for me. Even though minor, GenDisc users now have to go through hoops every time they want to to look for what's new. Even bookmarking it still requires extra steps vs. the unread posts link (which is actually one of my browser home tabs). Was it that much of an extra hoop to select "ignore this board" one time?
Could we opt in to Gen Disc on recent posts the way you used to be able to opt out?
That's all I ask. :)
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Could we opt in to Gen Disc on recent posts the way you used to be able to opt out?
That's all I ask. :)
It would require a bit of finagling. I think the best option would be to run a one-time database query that would add Gen Disc to every user's ignore list, then remove it from the forum-wide ignore list.
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Would that apply to future new users as well?
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Hmm, if I ran a one-time query it wouldn't apply to new users. It would be necessary to add a bit of code to set this when each new user registers.
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I don't understand how or why this is preferable to "just don't go in GenDisc if you don't like it".
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I think the idea is to stop Gen Discuss bleeding into the rest of the site. And to make it so that it isn't one of the first things seen by new users.
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Again, I think the opt-in board for any potentially-weighty discussion is the best option. Keep GenDisc for the lighthearted stuff that's perfectly fine to keep on the tracker.
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Yeah, I suspect that's going to end up being the result since it sounds like what most of the people involved wanted. We're just trying to figure out when all the admins are free to discuss all the stuff that came up on the various HLP Future threads.
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Since there's an "Ignore boards" option in account settings, perhaps you could just mark General Discussion there as ignored by default, at least for any new accounts created? Anyone who knows HLP a bit could go there and turn it on/off.
Because nobody is going to dictate me what I have in my "Unread posts" page. :p