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Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Knight Templar on August 15, 2002, 08:18:36 pm
i'm curious, tell me what you think
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: an0n on August 15, 2002, 08:44:16 pm
No. It's a celebration, like 4th of July.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Shrike on August 15, 2002, 09:00:52 pm
We have it here as well.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Knight Templar on August 15, 2002, 09:17:45 pm
an0n an0n... always making me remember why you are smarter than me....;)
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: demon442 on August 15, 2002, 10:18:12 pm
All Hallows Eve origonated in another country(I think Norway or another european nation near it) but when more people started coming to America they brought their customs with them.  Nowadays Halloween is more of a kids night out rather than what it really means(Night of the Dead).  Its the same with Valentine's Day, a french monk named Saint Valentine married a couple under Romeo and Juliet circumstances...But what is it now?!?! A greeting card company's dream!!!
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Thor on August 15, 2002, 10:21:32 pm
We get it up here in the great white North aswell
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: vadar_1 on August 15, 2002, 11:13:19 pm
tell you what we think? well if you tried to use a shred of knoledge...  you could find out instead of asking people what they _think_ is the answer to an already known and absolute defined fact. Its like asking people what they _think_ the answer to 3+5=8 is. Don't ask stupid questions. You think people have varying opinions on your gradeschool question's answer?

That poll is just childish... baaah
Title: lol
Post by: Knight Templar on August 16, 2002, 02:02:14 am
dude, someitmes.. you need to just not talk. Maybe i just wanted ot have some fun, or was curious and didn't want to research. If you felt that you were cheating yourself or helping my lazyness by answering, than don't.


Back to the topic, i don't want this to be a flame war, but vadar.... seriously, stop being such an ass all the time. It makes you look bad/grumpy. If you don't like it, then let it die out and let me stay perplexed and wonder why there's only 3 reply's. Let me wonder if you people don't know or just don't care. Don't waste your and my time by making an attempt to diss me for nothing. If you have some grudge, which it kinda seems like it... then pm me or AOL IM me.... i'm usually on past 8 P.M. Pacific Standard
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Shrike on August 16, 2002, 02:42:17 am
Poll edited. :p
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Fineus on August 16, 2002, 03:03:27 am
Coughs loudly... (http://www.tot.net/news/haloween.html) [/i]

Coughs loudly a second time... (http://www.mcgrorty.com/halloween.htm) [/i]

Shows what you people know :)
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Black Wolf on August 16, 2002, 03:25:08 am
We know about Halloween over here, but it's not celebrated or anything, and rightly so. Not only is it potentially dangerous for little kids to be running around doing exactly what they are told not to do every other night (take lollies from strangers), but it's painfully americanized. If any little kid ever comes to my door trick or treating, all they'll get was a blistering lecture on national identity - or something :).
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: vyper on August 16, 2002, 06:10:05 am
A Witches sabbath... something about pumpkins.... go out,dress up, get sweets... eat children... etc

Mind u, an occultist date in the calendar loses its shock value after you see an old-firm football game.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Fineus on August 16, 2002, 06:30:30 am
Without wanting to turn this to religious debate (heh, good luck)... why would an occult date in a calendar shock? Christmas is in the calendar and that's just another religious date... to suggest Haloween is any different is an exercise in prejudice against other peoples beliefs... by rights every religious festival should be in a calendar - but they aren't. Ho hum...
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Nico on August 16, 2002, 06:39:58 am
We kindda have halloween too here for a few years now, but it's just commercial stuff to sell goods to the kids. No single meaning otherwise.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Styxx on August 16, 2002, 08:41:42 am
We don't have much of a halloween around here...
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Kazashi on August 16, 2002, 09:09:17 am
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
We know about Halloween over here, but it's not celebrated or anything, and rightly so. Not only is it potentially dangerous for little kids to be running around doing exactly what they are told not to do every other night (take lollies from strangers), but it's painfully americanized. If any little kid ever comes to my door trick or treating, all they'll get was a blistering lecture on national identity - or something :).


Couldn't have put it better :yes:
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Zeronet on August 16, 2002, 12:52:04 pm
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Originally posted by Thunder
Without wanting to turn this to religious debate (heh, good luck)... why would an occult date in a calendar shock? Christmas is in the calendar and that's just another religious date... to suggest Haloween is any different is an exercise in prejudice against other peoples beliefs... by rights every religious festival should be in a calendar - but they aren't. Ho hum...


Because its not a mainstream belief probably and something that society as a whole would generally not deal with.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Fineus on August 16, 2002, 01:11:37 pm
You're right I suppose - it's a shame people don't think of that though - I mean before now I always been used to calendars only holding Christian dates (mostly) and nothing else, but thinking about it it's a little presumptuous of calendar companies as well...
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Grey Wolf on August 16, 2002, 04:31:23 pm
Here comes the Grey Wolf Spring of Knowledge (TM):
All Hallow's Eve is actually a Christian holy day, the Eve of All Soul's Day. It was adapted from a Celtic harvist ceremony by missionaries. Incidentally, the date for Christmas was chosen because most of the othere societies had a holy day there, not because that was the date Jesus was born. (No one knows when he was born).
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: aldo_14 on August 16, 2002, 04:39:32 pm
Halloween isn't exactly a holiday, though - it's not like we get off work or anything.  Just get loads of little kids swanning about the streets asking strangers for sweets.  Which, given recent events, is a bit dodgy.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Galemp on August 16, 2002, 05:49:37 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Just get loads of little kids swanning about the streets asking strangers for sweets.  Which, given recent events, is a bit dodgy.


Remember Eishtmo's "So there I was...?" The Halloween episode? :lol:
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Megadude on August 17, 2002, 11:48:30 pm
Yeah!!I broke the five way tie:D
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: demon442 on August 18, 2002, 12:27:48 am
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Originally posted by Thunder
Without wanting to turn this to religious debate (heh, good luck)... why would an occult date in a calendar shock? Christmas is in the calendar and that's just another religious date... to suggest Haloween is any different is an exercise in prejudice against other peoples beliefs... by rights every religious festival should be in a calendar - but they aren't. Ho hum...


You're just dieing to close this thread, arent you?:D
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Carl on August 18, 2002, 12:31:28 am
going trick or treating isn't dangerous if the child is occompanied by an adult and only goes to houses owned by people the parent can trust. that's what i did when i was little.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Borealis on August 18, 2002, 08:15:05 pm
[color=sky blue]Halloween's precursor is the Celtic harvest festival of Samhain traditionally celebrated with feasts and primitive sorts of pyrotechnics.  One of the secrets to St. Patrick's success in getting so many pagan Celts to convert to Christianity was his ability to intertwine existing holiday traditions with Roman Catholic ones.  Hence he created All Hallow's Eve to sanctify the pagan festival instead of insisting they abolish it.  Smart guy.[/color] :nod:
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Knight Templar on August 19, 2002, 02:11:18 am
wow, and the celtics take all once again :)
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Kellan on August 19, 2002, 08:45:07 am
I could use this thread to illustrate how mass-comnsumer capitalism has co-opted any and all major festivals that they could make novelty hats/sweets/syringes for.

I think I'll give it a rest, though.
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Top Gun on August 20, 2002, 02:26:29 am
Hmm, it's probably not the worst one, Here when kids get to be about 12, Halloween becomes an excuse for them to trash the neighbourhood. The police are usually so busy dealing with complaints for simmilar incidents that the chances of them being caught are usually about one percent of what they are any other time.
Title: Advice
Post by: Star Dragon on August 20, 2002, 02:46:10 am
Never play hide and seek in a Cemetary if you are wearing polished chainmail.... Moonlight gives you away every $#* time.
:(
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Kellan on August 20, 2002, 10:00:18 am
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Hmm, it's probably not the worst one, Here when kids get to be about 12, Halloween becomes an excuse for them to trash the neighbourhood. The police are usually so busy dealing with complaints for simmilar incidents that the chances of them being caught are usually about one percent of what they are any other time.


:eek: :eek2:

It's that bad where you live? That's odd. (For reference, I live a few miles down the road from Top Gun).

It's always very quiet down here, although my streets only has little kiddies. Hell, it's hardly Luton. :p
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: aldo_14 on August 20, 2002, 05:02:00 pm
Bah...we only have 4 kids in our 'area'.  which does, admittedly, make Halloween relatively pleasant.... I still remember stoating about in my Teenage Mutant whatever-the-hell turtles costume with a shell made out of the kitchen floors linoleum :D
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Knight Templar on August 20, 2002, 08:20:17 pm
Dude!!! I had a Leornardo Outfit with a Shell made of styrofoam and a rubber mask!

Hard to breathe in but was the coolest thing!
Title: Is Haloween an American Only Holiday or Not?
Post by: Kellan on August 21, 2002, 03:34:16 am
Ah, we are all children of our times... :wink:

Sadly though, I could never quite get together a Transformers outfit.