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Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 19, 2002, 01:39:34 pm
Is it just me or does the Terran dropship from starcraft bear more than an uncanny resemblance to the GTB Athena from FS1? They both have a similar shaped hull, have the same anhedral tailplanes, it's frightening.
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 19, 2002, 01:42:38 pm
as long as we are on this subject....did anyone else notice that the new star wars has a ship that bears an almost exact resemblance to a Union class dropship from battletech?
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 19, 2002, 01:46:31 pm
Yes, the bog spherical one?

BTW, this chat room you pm'd me about, how do I get to it.
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 19, 2002, 02:47:38 pm
just copy and paste the link into your address bar
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: StarGunner on August 20, 2002, 02:05:28 pm
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
as long as we are on this subject....did anyone else notice that the new star wars has a ship that bears an almost exact resemblance to a Union class dropship from battletech?


no u twit that was the ball section of a Droid control ship, look at the top of it. and the dropship thing? comon SC was made before FS1, or FS2 so theres no point to this post.
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: Stealth on August 20, 2002, 03:49:50 pm
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Originally posted by StarGunner


no u twit that was the ball section of a Droid control ship, look at the top of it. and the dropship thing? comon SC was made before FS1, or FS2 so theres no point to this post.


SHHH!!!!  if you don't want to partake in this discussion or don't believe in it, then go away please!

he didn't make the topic "The GTB Athena copied the Starwars Dropship!!!"  this topic is to discuss resemblances between Freespace and other games (well it's evolved to that now :) lol)

and besides, Starcraft was released in 1998 wasn't it?  wasn't FS1 released that same year?
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: aldo_14 on August 20, 2002, 05:07:26 pm
Great minds think alike. :nod:
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Post by: Sheepy on August 20, 2002, 06:33:00 pm
any chance of some pics for anlysis?
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: AqueousShadow on August 20, 2002, 06:37:57 pm
Yes, the Athena and the dropship look quite similar. The Dropship just adds two fat compartments on the side for cargo.
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 21, 2002, 01:26:48 pm
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Originally posted by Sheepy
any chance of some pics for anlysis?

Not really.

I thought Starcraft was 1999, anyway.

BTW, the music in Starcraft doesn't suit it at all, it sounds more like SimCity 3000.
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: AqueousShadow on August 21, 2002, 02:07:52 pm
:lol: So true, so true... Not to mention it's bad quality. The Protoss music was most annoying. Most people could've used the music as relaxing symphony music :rolleyes:
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Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 21, 2002, 04:30:17 pm
ok does anyone remember seeing a few of these on the ground in episode 2, attack of the clones?

click me (http://www.denofwolves.org/aship.html)
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Post by: AqueousShadow on August 21, 2002, 05:42:07 pm
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
ok does anyone remember seeing a few of these on the ground in episode 2, attack of the clones?

click me (http://www.denofwolves.org/aship.html)


Yes, in fact I do. Are those the huge ships that start trying to escape, and then they get shot down by huge missiles? :nod:
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Post by: Anaz on August 21, 2002, 08:57:22 pm
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
ok does anyone remember seeing a few of these on the ground in episode 2, attack of the clones?

click me (http://www.denofwolves.org/aship.html)


isn't that a shot from MW2:Mercs?
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Post by: Unknown Target on August 21, 2002, 10:36:13 pm
and there's the clincher ;)
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Post by: Anaz on August 21, 2002, 11:10:43 pm
heh, give em a few more years, and they'll all look the same, becuase their all copying eachother...
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Post by: Solatar on August 22, 2002, 06:07:42 am
That's a droid control ship.
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Post by: Nico on August 22, 2002, 06:31:14 am
I li_ked the starcraft musics, they're cool, they're different. nobody complained about the homeworld "relaxing" musics, that's strange, no? :rolleyes:
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Post by: Stealth on August 22, 2002, 11:42:12 am
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Originally posted by Hades
That's a droid control ship.


no it's not... that round thing that got shot down with those missile batteries at the end of Episode 2 was a STARSHIP...

a droid control ship is like a three quarters of a circle with a ball in the middle.
looks like this:

(http://www.gateway.net.au/~equinox/episodeii/spaceships/12.jpg)

they are Trade Federation Warships:
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tfed_droidcontrolship/img/curve.jpg)
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Post by: Stealth on August 22, 2002, 11:49:00 am
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Originally posted by Sheepy
any chance of some pics for anlysis?



(http://www.battle.net/images/battle/scc/terran/pix/Dropship2.jpg)



Oh... and did anyone notice that that star wars creature (green, made a screeching noise in the arena that was after Obi-Wan) was an exact copy of the Zerg Lurker?

don't believe me?  check this out:

http://www.blizzard.com/broodwar/units/lurker.shtml
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 22, 2002, 01:45:39 pm
Starcraft Also uses a few direct, yet not too important lines from StarWars ANH. I think its like Terran Mission Four in the installation. Enemy Marines "Let's Blast em'" and civilians' "You Rebel Scum".

Not to mention some of the protoss units responses :D
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Post by: AqueousShadow on August 22, 2002, 02:22:32 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth


no it's not... that round thing that got shot down with those missile batteries at the end of Episode 2 was a STARSHIP...

a droid control ship is like a three quarters of a circle with a ball in the middle.
looks like this:

(http://www.gateway.net.au/~equinox/episodeii/spaceships/12.jpg)

they are Trade Federation Warships:
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tfed_droidcontrolship/img/curve.jpg)


Yup, it was a starship. More specifically, a transport ship, not a warship :nod:
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 22, 2002, 02:44:07 pm
whataya' talkin' bout'  stealthy? The Ball/Spheres/Cicles like starships were the Tradefederation Command Module thingies that would fly into space and connect with the other part of the ship, at least from my understanding. Someone head-over there (http://www.starwars.com) and find out
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 22, 2002, 02:54:25 pm
too late, did it myself

enjoy (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tfed_battleship/index.html)

edit: Just realized this doesn't really help us... hmmmmm
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Post by: Stealth on August 22, 2002, 03:59:44 pm
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Originally posted by AqueousShadow


Yup, it was a starship. More specifically, a transport ship, not a warship :nod:

are you talking about this?

(http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tfed_battleship/img/movie_sm.jpg)
That's definately a warship.  call it what you will:  warship, battleship, whatever... it's still not a transport!


EDIT:  if you're talking about those things that tried to get back into space but Yoda ordered them shot down (those big sphere looking things) then yes, they were transports
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Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 22, 2002, 04:05:00 pm
ok the pic i posted is not a droid control ship.  It's not even from the star wars universe.  So, for the infantile egomaniac who likes to call people twits....that my friend, is a union class dropship....battletech, 1984.  The shot is indeed taken from mechwarrior 2 mercenaries.
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Post by: Stealth on August 22, 2002, 04:10:25 pm
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
ok the pic i posted is not a droid control ship.  It's not even from the star wars universe.  So, for the infantile egomaniac who likes to call people twits....that my friend, is a union class dropship....battletech, 1984.  The shot is indeed taken from mechwarrior 2 mercenaries.


i already said it wasn't a droid control ship...

that picture you posted (http://www.denofwolves.org/aship.html) looks really similar to those starships that were taking off at the end battle in the movie.  remember when they attacked it with their missile batteries?
Title: The GTB Athena and the Starcraft Dropship.
Post by: AqueousShadow on August 22, 2002, 06:25:55 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth
EDIT:  if you're talking about those things that tried to get back into space but Yoda ordered them shot down (those big sphere looking things) then yes, they were transports


YES!!! :nod: :rolleyes:
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Post by: Stealth on August 23, 2002, 10:46:54 am
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Originally posted by AqueousShadow


YES!!! :nod: :rolleyes:



don't roll your eyes at me punk! :) lol

yeah, i thought you were talking about those ships that were orbiting Naboo in the beginning of Episode 1
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Post by: Akrovah on August 23, 2002, 01:12:53 pm
If you follow this link within the Starwars Data base.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/tfed_droidcontrolship/index.html

It does indeed say that the center section of the droid control ship is detachable from the main section meaning that the ships at the end of Episode two could have been the central section, though it does not actually say.


And as far as them looking like dropships from Mechwarrior, a famous artist, i belive it was Leanardo DeVinchi but i'm not sure, once stated that good artist copy, great artists steal.

And i think Starcraft and Freespace were both released in 98 because i remeber talking about them with my buddy george in biology sophomore year, and i graduated in 2000 putting sophomre year around 97-98.
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 23, 2002, 02:09:01 pm
While on the subject of battletech.
Has anyone played aquitaine.wav at double speed? It sounds a hell of a lot like mechwarrior!
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 23, 2002, 02:52:21 pm
k the trade federation warships were converted Transports. The "Ball" in the middle, from what i understand is the "Command Bridge". This "Command Bridge" was added on by Lucas. The original design was a sacer with engines on one side.

The best comparision i can think of is The Saucer Section of the Enterprise - D from Star Trek The Next Generation
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 25, 2002, 12:34:38 pm
Look, I have the cross sections book for EP1, the big ball in the middle is the reactor core, the droid control ships have many antennae, the war freighters are exactly the same but without antennae.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 25, 2002, 01:18:44 pm
k, but they are more than just a giant reactor, i mean they were basically full blown starships in EP. II and on Starwarsdotcom, Lucas also calls them a "Command section"
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Post by: Stealth on August 26, 2002, 03:18:05 pm
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Originally posted by Petrarch of th VBB
While on the subject of battletech.
Has anyone played aquitaine.wav at double speed? It sounds a hell of a lot like mechwarrior!



where is 'aquitaine.wav'?
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Post by: AqueousShadow on August 26, 2002, 05:07:08 pm
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Originally posted by Stealth



where is 'aquitaine.wav'?


It's uhh...sort of in the...uhhh freespace music VP file... :rolleyes:
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Post by: StratComm on August 27, 2002, 02:57:50 pm
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Originally posted by Akrovah

It does indeed say that the center section of the droid control ship is detachable from the main section meaning that the ships at the end of Episode two could have been the central section, though it does not actually say.


Actually in the movie you can see the droid control ships and the "balls" joining back together as dark-lord-whatever's sail ship leaves orbit, so it is star wars canon.  And yes, there are a lot of similarities between differend sci-fi art.
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Post by: AqueousShadow on August 27, 2002, 05:43:51 pm
Odd don't you think? We started with a thread about FS2 and StarCraft and we came out with Star Wars.  :wtf:
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 29, 2002, 12:59:48 pm
This is indeed a :wtf:  situation, thus(http://grahambeverley.freewebspace.com/bigwtf.gif)
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 29, 2002, 01:00:34 pm
Bugger, damn this crappy host!
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Post by: Stealth on August 29, 2002, 01:12:34 pm
just curious... what are you trying to do?
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Post by: Petrarch of the VBB on August 29, 2002, 01:19:46 pm
Who, me? I was trying to post a huge wtf.
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Post by: AqueousShadow on August 29, 2002, 01:43:47 pm
:wtf:
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Post by: Stealth on August 29, 2002, 02:55:07 pm
oh, i thought your post had something to do with this:

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,9697.0.html
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Post by: Anaz on August 29, 2002, 05:01:56 pm
crappy host? I can see them all just fine...
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Post by: Stealth on August 29, 2002, 10:19:34 pm
yeah, but they weren't

i think he did somehting or changed hosts :)