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Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Blue Lion on August 22, 2002, 03:00:01 pm
Name says it all, would you pay a monthly fee to play any game?
 
For me, if the game was cool enough, and by paying it promised better support, yah, I might.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Kamikaze on August 22, 2002, 03:03:56 pm
I wouldn't.... I don't want to put up with things like paying, forgetting to play, then unssuscribing then suscribing again when wanting to play.....

THe only way anyone would convince me to payper play is if it's really cheap and the game is revolutionary/reallycool/etc. But, if the whole game industry becoems like taht, I think I'll give up gaming...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Tiara on August 22, 2002, 03:06:49 pm
GIMME A HELL NO!

:p
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: vadar_1 on August 22, 2002, 03:09:16 pm
I played Darkspace for 2 months (free client, 10 USD/month), got bored of it fast. It sucks ass when you buy a game, then your forced to continue to pay for it. I mean what if you want to casually play whenever, you have to pay for the full month.

Short answer: no ****ing way.

Shorter answer: **** WoW, first Blizzard game im not going to buy.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Kamikaze on August 22, 2002, 03:12:55 pm
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Originally posted by vadar_1
I played Darkspace for 2 months (free client, 10 USD/month), got bored of it fast. It sucks ass when you buy a game, then your forced to continue to pay for it. I mean what if you want to casually play whenever, you have to pay for the full month.  


Same with me for SHattered Galaxies, except I got to play it free in the beta... I played it, got bored and would be horrified to pay a monthly fee of 10+ bucks...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Knight Templar on August 22, 2002, 03:13:44 pm
Hell No

I say if it is so damn important, than just charge 60 - 75 bucks for the game, then leave us alone.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Blue Lion on August 22, 2002, 03:26:41 pm
The theory is paying keeps updates coming and keeps the game fresh. Games that you shell 60 bucks for grow old quickly.


I tell you what, if it was 10 bucks a month to play FS3 online, you're damn right I would. That money would go to support, I'd hope. Companies are willing to spend more time fixing games that bring them money. Now they make a game, one or two patches, oh well you're on your own now and it's hit or miss with the game itself.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Nico on August 22, 2002, 03:38:37 pm
what the point? games like Pod were superbly supported after it was released, and there was no need to pay additional stuff.
I say no, never, coz that gives the best opportunity for developpers to release unfinished games.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Thorn on August 22, 2002, 03:38:58 pm
It really depends...
On the one extreme you have paying to play online...
On the other you have the Mechwarrior 4 problem, where they make you pay for the goddamn updates... You dont have to buy them, and you can still play with people that have them, but you can get royally owned, simply because you dont have that nice Kodiak loaded with Heavy Guass, and he does...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Blue Lion on August 22, 2002, 03:44:19 pm
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Originally posted by venom2506
what the point? games like Pod were superbly supported after it was released, and there was no need to pay additional stuff.
I say no, never, coz that gives the best opportunity for developpers to release unfinished games.



And there are untold number of games that could have lasted a lot longer if they were supported, but the company didn't have to, so they didn't.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Stealth on August 22, 2002, 04:20:33 pm
Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot... you had to pay for both of those
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Kitsune on August 22, 2002, 04:27:18 pm
Yeah, I'd pay for a game that held my attention.

I have two characters on Everquest so far, and while it eats a lot of my spare time, it gives me something to do when the blahs and depression hits.

But if it wasn't something I gave a damn about, I wouldn't have bought the game in the first place...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: CP5670 on August 22, 2002, 06:32:56 pm
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no ****ing way.


That about sums up my thoughts on this. :D
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Anaz on August 22, 2002, 06:41:16 pm
I would pay $5 a month for most $10 a mo games that are out.

kamakazie? you played sg? wow, cool...nice to know that I'm not alone...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: demon442 on August 22, 2002, 10:00:28 pm
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No ****ing way.


Money is kinda hard to come by when you don't have a job...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: YodaSean on August 22, 2002, 10:04:08 pm
$10 a month = $120 a year = 3 or 4 computer games/year.  I think that should answer the question :)
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Pera on August 22, 2002, 11:45:53 pm
I'm going to start playing World War 2 Online as soon as I get my new computer. It costs 10$ a month, but for what I've played during the free trial, I can say it's definitely worth it.

So yay for me, of course the game has to be good :)
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Dranon on August 23, 2002, 12:41:11 am
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Originally posted by Analazon
kamakazie? you played sg? wow, cool...nice to know that I'm not alone...


I also played SG in beta.  Still do play it every once in a while.  Free trials are fun sometimes...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Razor on August 23, 2002, 05:03:48 am
Pay for playing games? :lol:

MAKE ME!!!  :p
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: delta_7890 on August 23, 2002, 05:06:33 am
The only game I could see myself paying for is SW:G.  That game will control my life.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Nico on August 23, 2002, 06:50:17 am
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Originally posted by Stealth
Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot... you had to pay for both of those


but those are games for internet only. Blue lion statement is for any game. MMORPGs, ok, there's a logic in paying a monthly fee, so Everquest: ok
Mechwarrior4 isn't made to be played only for internet, so having to pay for updates, I call that robbery, I pay for a goddam game, not for a part of it. Now of course if it's an addon, it's different.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: wEvil on August 23, 2002, 07:06:36 am
I categorically refuse to pay a monthly fee for anything except utilities bills - and thats' bad enough.

It gives distribution companies FAR too much control over aspects of your life you don't even realise are under danger.

This is exactly what the whole RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft/AOL time warner are after.   An integrated distribution/content system where you, the user, have no rights and no control.

They correctly realise that entertainment has supplanted religion as the primary indoctrination tool in western society and this is, beleive it or not, what will clinch their ability to essentially control you.

It is mind control, i'm not a ranting lunatic.  If you just look at the facts and read between the lines you'll see it coming from astronomical units away.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Redfang on August 23, 2002, 07:13:44 am
I wouldn't pay, I even couldn't, I don't have a credit card. Of course my dad could be able to pay, but I bet he wouldn't. :p
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Pera on August 23, 2002, 07:54:23 am
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Originally posted by Redfang
I wouldn't pay, I even couldn't, I don't have a credit card. Of course my dad could be able to pay, but I bet he wouldn't. :p


I don't think you need a credit card for many of the games today. At least not for WW2OL.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: SlipStream on August 23, 2002, 09:31:54 am
I agree with Blue lion, It takes money to update it and to pay for the hours that those who keep working with it.

my vote is yes. It can't be other wise.

Lets take this example,
Everyone at HLP are working on a project, lets say its a massive multiplayer game. And we are all doing this for free. We finally finish it, the game Rocks, a lot of people like it. and its free to play on line. And of course the game will caste about lets say 45 dollers, thats how much a really good game costs for PC's.
Eventually we disolve not all of us but, most of us because we are doing different things, And there is nothing really to keep those who started it because they aren't getting payed or they left for some reason, now we have a problem, everything from updates to gameplay is mostlikely suffering because of this.

That is the problem with those kind of games.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Levyathan on August 23, 2002, 10:01:42 am
I wouldn't pay to play anything. Fortunately, it's my dad who pays for my UO account. :p
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Gortef on August 23, 2002, 04:36:21 pm
I wouldn't pay... but on the other hand it depends on the game. In most cases... no thanks...
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Kellan on August 23, 2002, 04:39:18 pm
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Originally posted by Levyathan
I wouldn't pay to play anything. Fortunately, it's my dad who pays for my UO account. :p


Did you trick him or something?

"Yeah, it's for my education"... :D

I have a relatively free alternative to MMORPGs, which has massive levels of freedom and social acceptance. You'll hardly realise you're paying for it, either.

It's called Going Outsideā„¢ ;) :nod:
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Nico on August 23, 2002, 05:02:50 pm
but there's not enough lvl10 dragons outside :D
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Stargazer_2098 on August 23, 2002, 05:09:08 pm
Me paying monthly for playing a game: ain't gonna happen. If I buy a game, I pay once. Fear and square.

To bad tough, that I wil miss Earth and Beyond.
First Westwood game I wont have.:rolleyes:


Stargazer.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: CP5670 on August 23, 2002, 06:23:11 pm
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Me paying monthly for playing a game: ain't gonna happen. If I buy a game, I pay once.


That is my reasoning behind this as well; I already bought the game, so it is mine now, and I am not going to pay any more. (besides, each of these pay-to-play games cost about the same as a 56k connection; for just a single game, that is simply ridiculous)

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I have a relatively free alternative to MMORPGs, which has massive levels of freedom and social acceptance. You'll hardly realise you're paying for it, either.


I have even a better one: math books! You have freedom to work on any problem you please, and as for social acceptance, the theta functions will never say they don't want you around or anything. :D
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Nico on August 24, 2002, 04:07:10 am
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Originally posted by CP5670

I have even a better one: math books! You have freedom to work on any problem you please, and as for social acceptance, the theta functions will never say they don't want you around or anything. :D


You're more frightening than a lvl10 dragon in fact. hey people, let's group together to make a CP slain party :D
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Kamikaze on August 24, 2002, 04:10:22 am
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Originally posted by SlipStream
I agree with Blue lion, It takes money to update it and to pay for the hours that those who keep working with it.

my vote is yes. It can't be other wise.

Lets take this example,
Everyone at HLP are working on a project, lets say its a massive multiplayer game. And we are all doing this for free. We finally finish it, the game Rocks, a lot of people like it. and its free to play on line. And of course the game will caste about lets say 45 dollers, thats how much a really good game costs for PC's.
Eventually we disolve not all of us but, most of us because we are doing different things, And there is nothing really to keep those who started it because they aren't getting payed or they left for some reason, now we have a problem, everything from updates to gameplay is mostlikely suffering because of this.

That is the problem with those kind of games.


and therefore people would continue not buying these, then people will continually drop out of the game due to less updates and companies will decide MMORPGs are too unstable to make and we'll get our happy bundles of singleplayer and limited multiplayer yet again :p ;)
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Galemp on August 25, 2002, 06:02:31 pm
I like the idea for one reason: you pay $10 for a month long full featured demo of a game. You like it, you keep it. You don't, you haven't wasted your other $40.

It had better be a damn good game though if you're going to be paying $120/year, and you'd better play it a lot.
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: wEvil on August 25, 2002, 06:13:03 pm
like bills, you'll forget you have to pay and you'll wind up paying more because the transaction is more insiduous.

DONT SAY YES TO THIS - AT ALL.
Title: Pay or not to pay
Post by: Star Dragon on August 25, 2002, 07:08:31 pm
It depends... I was very happy with EQ these last 2 years until 2 things...

1.) The price went up to like $12.50

2.) There are bringing out EQ2 and it is seperate. You have to start all over again. Shell out $50.00 and get a new account.

3.) EQ1 will be running but won't get much better (abandoned by developers for EQ2 (priority)....

  So... While people flock from EQ1 to EQ2 (lightening the server loads and crowded camps :)   You still will be paying the same amount for an inferior product (unless EQ2 is gonna be even more than $12.50)? Screw whoever is responsible (Verant or Sony, or even both)... I have a good question... Knowing that user base is gonna plummet unless they just wanna shut down EQ1 and let it die why increase the price just as they are releasing EQ2??? I mean sure I may be intersted in EQ2 but I WILL NOT CONTINUE MY EQ1 ACCOUNT! Sorry I'm upset! If they were smart they know that support demands will be less, updates less expected (after all this time they should have the game right by now), and to keep a user base going give them a marketing break by making the "Outdated" game econimicly attractive compared to the "New Model"...

     As for FS3 (IF they made it, not the WE need them to.) IF it was good and satisfied me HELL YEAH I would but the quality and support had to be there otherwise no way! Lately I've seen a whole messa games come out that are just online multiplayer and I thik they suck and not worth any $ from me...

   What's going on HERE seems more exciting and worthwhile and if user support was needed (one time Donation, like $10.00 or something) To get a fan based FS3 with all the improvements. If I tried it and thought it was worth it, the Money Order would be in the mail tomorrow! That's my .02 cents (thought I'll probably be billed for length) :nod:
Title: Re: Pay or not to pay
Post by: Galemp on August 25, 2002, 07:58:51 pm
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
That's my .02 cents (thought I'll probably be billed for length) :nod:


Since we're discussing money... .02 cents is two hundredths of a cent. Do you have two coupons for sale?
Title: Pay to play?
Post by: Vertigo1 on August 25, 2002, 11:46:51 pm
I won't pay to play.  Period.

The only thing I'd pay for is an online service and only if its a one-time charge.
Title: Hey G.E.
Post by: Star Dragon on August 26, 2002, 01:17:39 am
Good to C'ya

   Your right but there isn't a (cents symblon on the keyboard and I was too lazy to back space to erase). Running on 2 hour sleep... Everybodys surfing for the weekend..... (What band)? L8tr :lol: