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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stealth on September 01, 2002, 12:15:48 am
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Just curious if anyone here takes self-defense/martial arts classes, etc.
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No. However, I trained myself to mangle opponents with my sheer brainpower. It mostly involves folding your arms, standing there and looking at them like you're trying to take a crap.
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I used to take Kendo (sword-fighting) at the local university... right now I'm not taking anything. I might take kempo or something later.
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well, I've been taking Tae Kwon Do classes for two years. Why?
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uh.. a .. being.. from uh.... texas.... told me to let you guys know that although i take no kung fu .. i could kick your ass at an old fashioned lightsaber duel.... everyone cept' kamikaze that is
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I also took 1 year of Tae Kwon Do, but if you think I'm getting outta my veritech you're nutz! (Steps on guy with lightsaber)[Squish]
;7
J/k Knight
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Damn straight punk, best be nice or i'll have to pull out my 1337 Saber skrilz and 0wn j00 punk @$$, Bi'atch. ;)
Seriously, i need to buy some more sabers. cheap plastic. It's the only thing my friend doesn't cry from though when he knick his fce in a "duel" :D
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No, I don't take any classes, and never had, and never will. :p
Originally posted by Stryke 9
No. However, I trained myself to mangle opponents with my sheer brainpower.
From #nodewar channel:
* Topic is 'NodeWar: The only place with a activeness rating lower than Stryke's IQ.'
:p
(It's not set by me :D)
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Back in my youthful days of activity, I did both Judo and Hapkido for several years. Nowadays the closest I get is menacingly twirling my walking stick.
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Ju-Jitsu here! :nod:
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Like someone says, I've never seen anyone stop a bullet with their arms.
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I used to go to karate for... err... 4 years or so. I reached the first brown belt, but then my shoulders started to ache for no apparent reasons and so on, so I quit (besides, my studies came on the way also...). Quite sad actually... it was a good hobby :doubt:
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Originally posted by Levyathan
Like someone says, I've never seen anyone stop a bullet with their arms.
very true, but fortunately not everyone has a built-in gun. sure martial arts can't stop bullets, but they can be pretty useful against people that don't have guns :rolleyes:
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*used to do Judo*
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Originally posted by Tiara
Ju-Jitsu here! :nod:
you scare me... where do you live? :) lol
uhhh might as well tell about myself...
Tae Kwon Do - about one and a half years. Took it on my own through videos/books, never actually took classes, although i did sparr
Kung-Fu - Northern Mantis Style, but i'm going to start some form of Crane in a few weeks or whenever i get time.
And i jumped around taking a few weeks/months of various martial arts including Karate (sucks), Aikido, Ninjitsu, and a few others.
Currently: I'm taking Bagua, (see my sig) and have been for the last month or so... very slow-paced
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Judo eh an0n? Very nice... judo is very powerful when it comes to locks and throwing people down :D
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My first martial art was Ninpo taijitsu or ninjitsu or ninja for fans of brevity, I practised it for 8 months and started to get ill from overexertion because the guys teaching it were also circuit trainers and they expected everyone to run, jump and move as fast as they did from day one.
I moved on to wing chun which I have been practising for over a year and am getting more and more proficient at. I also started to learn taijichuan but it's too slow for me so now I'm trying to find a xingyi teacher. I like compact, efficient martial arts; more results for less effort, makes sense to me anyway. :nod:
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I'm tying to get into some Kung-Fu class until I can find one.
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Tae- kwondo - two years now
Kendo (the way of the sword :D) sice i was 14 and still doing it.
Kick-boxing - for a year (then stopped because gym closed down:( )
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
My first martial art was Ninpo taijitsu or ninjitsu or ninja for fans of brevity, I practised it for 8 months and started to get ill from overexertion because the guys teaching it were also circuit trainers and they expected everyone to run, jump and move as fast as they did from day one.
I moved on to wing chun which I have been practising for over a year and am getting more and more proficient at. I also started to learn taijichuan but it's too slow for me so now I'm trying to find a xingyi teacher. I like compact, efficient martial arts; more results for less effort, makes sense to me anyway. :nod:
well if you want fast and proficient, then Xing-I is the right martial art :) lol
you gotta get on ICQ more often so we can talk! :)
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very true, but fortunately not everyone has a built-in gun. sure martial arts can't stop bullets, but they can be pretty useful against people that don't have guns :rolleyes:
Anyone you are likely to get into a fight with will probably have one though. :p The best option is simple: stay away from people completely like I do. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
Anyone you are likely to get into a fight with will probably have one though. :p The best option is simple: stay away from people completely like I do. :D
yeah, but that's why i do internal now, cause it's not meant for self-defense, it just HAPPENS to be the best in the world at that :p
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that's me above by the way
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year and a half of tae kwon do, but that was 6 years ago... nothing since although i want to do kendo...
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Originally posted by Stealth
Just curious if anyone here takes self-defense/martial arts classes, etc.
I prefer marital arts, personally.
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An interesting martial art is the kenpo they make you learn in millitaries (well, in japan) and what's interesting is that the type of kenpo focuses on using the natural weak areas of the body making it a literal "killer" technique. :nod:
I want to know if it's taught anywhere in the states :p
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Probably somewhere. Not commonly, tho.
Yeah, it'll be an extremely rare occasion that you get in a real fight with someone who isn't armed, outside of the locker room at school. A serious fight, generally people come prepared, and you don't need such advanced gear as a gun to kick an unarmed guy's ass, no problem.
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I think that movie "the perfrct weapon" starring Jeff Speakman made a lot of converts to Kempo...
I thought it was ok, but he should have been shot so many times :p
Gun usually wins (it's just a movie people) :lol:
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Originally posted by CP5670
Anyone you are likely to get into a fight with will probably have one though. :p The best option is simple: stay away from people completely like I do. :D
I would've thought that most fights involving weapons would be with knives, rather than guns. Cheap, easy to conceal, laws against owning them aren't quite as stringent.
Though it's good to see that you avoid real life people too :p
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As a reply to all you people talking about guns against martial arts, it really depends. Assuming the gun in question is a pistol of some kind and not a sniper rifle or fully-automatic squad-level assault weapon (:p), a martial arts expert can usually win, since it's all dependant on distance:
At more than 20 meters/yards away from your pistol-toting attacker, just run/evade. Pistols (generally speaking) suck as far as accuracy is concerned.
Between 1.5 and 20 meters is the problem area, but usually one can manage to lower the distance or wait until an attacker lowers the distance himself.
At 1.5 meters or less from a pistol-toting enemy, he can kiss his... whatever goodbye. A simple act of motion hypnotizing can delay any reaction on his part or enough time for you to disable the weapion in his hand, either by knocking it out of his hand, by a wrist-hold that points the weapon in another direction, or whatever.
Anyway, personally I don't take any martial arts, but back in his hippie days, my father used to teach at a dojo.
Also, anyone ever hear of Krav Maga? ;7
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oooh go sandwich :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Also, anyone ever hear of Krav Maga? ;7
One of the most brutally efficient martial arts I've ever seen; You need to be a genuine hard nut if you want to practice it at a high level though. It's also about as asthetically pleasing and interesting as hitting someone with a truck, it works but you waste a lot of energy doing the damage.
The internal martial arts can be practised by almost anyone of any age and they have proven health benefits and I don't just mean being able to move fast. Think acupuncture without the needles and with negative instead of positive effects and you start to see the potential of the internal arts. That's only the stuff you can see, the stuff that's going on that isn't evident is far more interesting. :)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
At 1.5 meters or less from a pistol-toting enemy, he can kiss his... whatever goodbye. A simple act of motion hypnotizing can delay any reaction on his part or enough time for you to disable the weapion in his hand, either by knocking it out of his hand, by a wrist-hold that points the weapon in another direction, or whatever.
That's why you just shoot the bastard as soon as you can. :devil:
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Originally posted by Shrike
That's why you just shoot the bastard as soon as you can. :devil:
Uhm... the assumption here is that the handgun-wielding guy is The Bad Guy™... ;)
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
The internal martial arts can be practised by almost anyone of any age and they have proven health benefits and I don't just mean being able to move fast. Think acupuncture without the needles and with negative instead of positive effects and you start to see the potential of the internal arts. That's only the stuff you can see, the stuff that's going on that isn't evident is far more interesting. :)
that's very true Maeglamor... not many people are able to comprehend that. They think it's impossible to have a martial art that has all benefits, but it's really not!
Strength, breathing, balance, stamina, speed, reflexes are all effects you reap from practicing an internal :nod:
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eh, my dad always would say "mind over matter" ...
something to that effect?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
eh, my dad always would say "mind over matter" ...
something to that effect?
that's prolly a reference to the squishy jello we have in our heads than martial art :p
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that's me above by the way
The one with the foot on the other guys bum or the dude throwin the punch ? ;)
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oi...been busy...haven't had time to post...
I've trained Kempo, Kenpo, Tae Kwon Doe, Bak hok pai, Bak mei Pai, 18 Doaist Palms, Yang and Chen Tai Chi, Southern Dragon, Japanese Jiu-jitsu(My very first art actually...I was 8), Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu(only a few months worth) and Bak Fu pai. everything listed I have either trained at a school and certified or with a master. I I train to this day and expect to die doing it (Hopefully at a very advanced age:p)
My favorite art is the last one...its very challenging and extensive.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Uhm... the assumption here is that the handgun-wielding guy is The Bad Guy™... ;)
And that is why Evil will always win. Because Good is dumb! :D
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I'm practising Judo since '94 (1. kyo, was too lazy to go for a dan up to now) and work as a trainer here and there. Sometimes we had some excursions into aikido (or however it is written) and other arts, but still...
...when you're facing an enemy...eye to eye...take a long breath...focus....and run away :D
BTW...arm locks and such are interesting...but strangles are much cooler ;)
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Originally posted by Shrike
And that is why Evil will always win. Because Good is dumb! :D
Meh - you'd love it here in Israel. The percentage of armed civillians here is probably around 15-20% - and they don't leave their weaps at home, mind you! :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
percentage of armed civillians here is probably around 15-20% - and they don't leave their weaps at home, mind you! :D
Well, they have a reason for that... :(
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
The one with the foot on the other guys bum or the dude throwin the punch ? ;)
that's a crescent kick being used :)
he punched and i pull his punch, therefore pulling the asian guy on the left toward me, and then use a crescent kick to knock him off-balance
it's fun :0
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Hmmm I'm not really a fan of kicks above the waistline, you're very open if you miss. I mostly go with fast, close quarters work, I'm not very strong but I'm pretty fast and I've got good coordination. I always thought that tae kwon do and other kicking orientated martial arts were cool to watch but I don't really have the flexibility for that sort of thing and I doubt I have the strength for half of those mental wushu combat-acrobatics moves.
I still think you see the whole internal/external thing as black and white Stealth, a lot of hard styles incorporate some basic internal techniques, wing chun for instance has qigong (pronounced chi-gung) elements. Don't automatically think a style is only hard or soft, the great variety of martial artists I've spoken to over the years give a good indication that there are a lot of shades of grey between black and white.
I think I'm starting to get a little too abstract here. ^_^
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The definition of Internal and External styles has been bastardized in the last 70 years.
An internal system doesn’t mean "soft". Its actually is a geographical and political distinction.
The Shaolin Arts art based on Buddhist teachings...which is an external philosophy. Daoism was developed in China in the internal provinces of China.
Essentially THAT is the true nature of internal and external.
many arts are both Hard and soft in the Modern sense...but not by the original definition.
There are very few that are both...and that was due purely for survival. Five survivors of the destruction of the southern temple cast of their Buddhist robes and hid in robes as Daoist monks. They learned and accepted the Daoist teachings as their own and eventually applied it to their arts as well. Thus creating the only systems that were Geographically and politically
internal and External.
Wing Chun was made famous by a young woman of the same name. She was taught by one of the 5 Survivor. The shoalin priestess Ng Mui. Wing Chun is a style not a system. It was developed for ease of learning...that way the common person could learn it in a limited amount of time and begun to cast out the Manchu invaders. Qi Gong can be prenounced both Chi(Chee) an Qi(key).
uuuuuummmm.sorry for the long post.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
The definition of Internal and External styles has been bastardized in the last 70 years.
An internal system doesn’t mean "soft". Its actually is a geographical and political distinction.
The Shaolin Arts art based on Buddhist teachings...which is an external philosophy. Daoism was developed in China in the internal provinces of China.
Essentially THAT is the true nature of internal and external.
many arts are both Hard and soft in the Modern sense...but not by the original definition.
There are very few that are both...and that was due purely for survival. Five survivors of the destruction of the southern temple cast of their Buddhist robes and hid in robes as Daoist monks. They learned and accepted the Daoist teachings as their own and eventually applied it to their arts as well. Thus creating the only systems that were Geographically and politically
internal and External.
uuuuuummmm.sorry for the long post.
So how would you categorise taiji, paqua and xingyi?
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They are Taoist...so ....what would they be then?
They are Internal. (I'm uncertain of the last art you quoted...do you mean Hsing I?)
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Originally posted by White Tiger
They are Taoist...so ....what would they be then?
They are Internal. (I'm uncertain of the last art you quoted...do you mean Hsing I?)
Yeah xingyi or Hsing-I.
Are you saying that the arts are founded upon religious ideals or merely that they conform to religious ideals?
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I'm saying that he definition of Internal and External are based both on Political(or religious teachings) and Geograhical boundaries.
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or you can buy a gun.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
uuuuuummmm.sorry for the long post.
:lol: You should see some of the posts CP5670 and Levyathan made in some of the more active topics a month ago. :D
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Originally posted by White Tiger
I'm saying that he definition of Internal and External are based both on Political(or religious teachings) and Geograhical boundaries.
Is this proven? I've always found it hard to get good reading material on the subject of origins and influences as far as chinese martial arts go. What little I have been able to get often conflicts with other sources.
The origin of wing chun for instance is now thought to be largely fabricated as the shaolin didn't have female practitioners at the time. :rolleyes:
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The definition is universal in the Chinese sense.
As I said the most recent definition is what many believe what Internal and External is. Its not what Internal and External is truly based on..
As for there being no female practitioners....thats quite false actually. Ng Mui was actually quite famous...she created Plum Flower Fist and co-created Hung Gar. There is no Debate concerning Ng Mui as far as I understand. Thats like saying Gee Shim Sim See never existed....yet he saved the Northern teachings of Kung Fu. If It wasn't for him Eagle Claw, Hung gar and many other styles would have never been inspired.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
The definition is universal in the Chinese sense.
As I said the most recent definition is what many believe what Internal and External is. Its not what Internal and External is truly based on..
As for there being no female practitioners....thats quite false actually. Ng Mui was actually quite famous...she created Plum Flower Fist and co-created Hung Gar. There is no Debate concerning Ng Mui as far as I understand. Thats like saying Gee Shim Sim See never existed....yet he saved the Northern teachings of Kung Fu. If It wasn't for him Eagle Claw, Hung gar and many other styles would have never been inspired.
The question of Ng Mui's existance is not the issue, from what I remember reading wing chun was created at a time where women were not practising at Shaolin and so the true history is though to be different.
As I said though a lot of the sources conflict so I may just be chasing shadows, it's somewhat difficult to verify as a lot of martial arts theory and practise is passed down by word of mouth, one of the hinderances of some of the styles being so secretive I guess.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
Hmmm I'm not really a fan of kicks above the waistline, you're very open if you miss.
That's why i quit Tae-Kwon-Do, because of that very reason, and it's not realistic!
but i was just demonstrating something to this guy, i wasn't fighting him :p
You're very right Maeglamor, and i agree 100% with you. It's true that most if not all martial arts have some internal and vice-versa. BUT just because they have a little internal does NOT mean that they're classified an internal art! I don't care if you say Hung Gar kung fu has internal, that doesn't mean that it's internal! That's what makes Taiji, Pa Kua, and YsingI so different. Look at how they're practiced, and look at any/all other martial arts. They're different... very obviously different, and that's what makes the difference between external and internal!
I don't think it should have anything to do with the origin of the art, it should be how the art is practiced.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
I think I'm starting to get a little too abstract here. ^_^
not at all! I believe 100% what you do
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Tai Chi is purely Taoist
Baqua Is Pure Taoist
Hsing I Is purely Taoist
Qi Gong is both (With Daoist roots)
Bak Fu is Both (By universal definition)
Bak Mei is both
Supt Bat Moh Jung Pai is Taoist (internal)
Almost all other arts are external politically, religiously, geographically and philosophically.
Definitions of what is Internal and external have been established 1500 years before you were born at the arrival of Bohdiharma into China. The modern definition (thats the last 70 years) when someone speaks about an internal art they refer to the practise of the mind and spirit. That is not the proper definition.
Baqua has fast hand and stepping forms that Tai Chi does not. Same with Hsing I. Yet they are internal.
Because of their origin. Nothing more.
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Originally posted by White Tiger
Baqua has fast hand and stepping forms that Tai Chi does not. Same with Hsing I. Yet they are internal.
Because of their origin. Nothing more.
have you ever watched bagua or tai chi being practiced? the movements are slow and smooth. however, look at tai chi. said to be the mother of internal, when used in combat, the movements are not slow and smooth as practiced, they're executed in a hard and fast way... thus it has a bit of external, but it is MAINLY an internal art
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OK...your using the Novice term of Internal and external....thats not the Actual Definition.
Baqua DOES have fast hand forms(not like Kempo or Karate)
Internal does not mean spiritual or soft.
To be more accurate its best to say "Hard and Soft".
Bak Fu Pai
Bak Mei Pai
Baqua
Tai Chi
Hsing I
Supt bat Moh Jung Pai
Are "soft" arts
and Internal (by official definition)
Kempo
Karate
Tae Kwon Doe
Judo
Northern Kung Fu
Wushu
Are "Hard" arts
and external (by official definition)
I have trained and competed with Baqua and Tai Chi practitioners. 2 of my Best friend that I have trained with are proficient in both arts. For 2 years we trained together and compared and learned from each other. Thats actually How I know about both. Yang Tai Chis long Form is considered a fast Hand form and can be displayed as such.
Hsing I I have the least knowledge on.
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I really do not that much about martial arts, but Judo as a hard one? Sounds a bit stupid...especially if you look at the direct translation of Judo...in english it would something like...."the soft way"...?
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gentle way of Throwing...ya....however it does not use the same techniques a "soft Style" would.
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so... I'm kinda thinking about getting into a martial art again (I did kendo for about an year, or is that a martial art?) but I don't have enough information to decide...
could ya outline some dtails (that I can undersand) about each one and it's advantages/disadvantages and possibly where I can learn it? I'm kinda confused on "internal" "external" "soft" "hard" and suchlike... do they affect your body differntly?
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Where do you live first of all?
Then I can give you a number of links for you to pursue
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White Tiger... i know you are far superior when it comes to knowledge/practicing of martial arts. I'm still a n00b, a teenager, practicing one, but you've got vast loads more experience than me. I just have never heard of some of the things you're talking about. And when i argue i'm not disputing what you're saying and saying you're lying, i'm just confused generally because i've come to trust what i've known.
Originally posted by Kamikaze
so... I'm kinda thinking about getting into a martial art again (I did kendo for about an year, or is that a martial art?) but I don't have enough information to decide...
could ya outline some dtails (that I can undersand) about each one and it's advantages/disadvantages and possibly where I can learn it? I'm kinda confused on "internal" "external" "soft" "hard" and suchlike... do they affect your body differntly?
Advantages of any martial art are always speed and strength.
Disadvantages of any martial art are they generally take a long time to practice and require some form of discipline.
EXTERNAL = "hard" types, usually rely primarily on muscular power. most martial arts are external, including forms of kung fu, taekwondo, karate (probably the most external you can find!), wushu (already mentioned), ninjitsu, jiujitsu, etc.
INTERNAL = "soft" styles, usually rely primarily on the body more than the muscles. Internal styles always have far greater benefits compared to external arts, such as balance, stamina, reflexes, strength, breathing, etc. However while some external forms can be learned in a matter of months, you can learn how do all the forms, etc. in an internal martial art in 6 months, but you'll only become 'good' at it after many, many years of practicing it. However the physical and mental benefits come gradually during this time.
i'm just gonna give a brief description... white tiger will probably be better at doing this than me, because while i've only practiced the following for anywhere from a matter of months to a few years, he's done them for far longer:
Kung Fu = many forms, including (some well-known forms) mantis, crane, tiger, etc. Hung Gar (my favorite, because Donnie Yen does it :P :cool:) etc. they are very effective and have great benefits.
Karate = very muscular... generally straight, direct, and incredibly powerful movements. rely on kicking as well as punching. very violent martial art. I don't like it (although i practiced it for a few months) because nowadays it's become more of a 'sport' than a martial art, and i don't think that's what martial arts were created for.
TaeKwonDo = rely 99% on kicking. One benefit to this martial art is balance, as well as lower body strength, and flexibility. I don't believe in kicking (which is why i quit this martial art) because you're supposed to use hands for fighting, not feet. "Legs and feet are for standing; hands are for fighting" also by kicking you open yourself up to other attack, and put yourself at a disadvantage because you're off-balance.
Judo = mainly take-downs; throwing, a couple of locks, etc.
Aikido = mainly holds
The above are all external. below are some internal. note that you should (it's possible to get by not, but it's highly recommended "babies rarely walk before they crawl, so therefore they should learn to crawl before learning to walk" taking an external martial art prior to an internal)
The three "orthodox" internal martial arts (White Tiger has convinced me that there's more than the generic three... i'm going to ask my instructor anyway though :) )
Note that spelling may be different through the Chinese --> English conversion, but it's pronounced the same:
Baguazhang = all movements are based on a circle. I could speak for hours on this, but basically the art is based on a circle, and the fighter fights primarily with palms, generally deflecting blows, constantly moving in a circle. Because of this there are no 'stances' as there are in most external martial arts, because the fighter constantly moves. This is what i currently am training.
Hsing-I Chuan = very, very muscular... a more effective version of karate (think of it that way)... movements are linear, and the fighter never avoids anything (as in Bagua), always goes straight for the opponent. Very different from the other two internal arts.
Tai Chi Chuan = the most performed martial art in the world. Movements are very slow, and the health benefits are extraordinary. However, in combat, movements performed over and over and over again over years and years of training are used and executed very swiftly and powerfully, so the training and actual combat are entirely different, yet use the same 'moves'.
A very good movie to check out to see what Hsing-I and Bagua actually look like in training and also in combat is "THE ONE" starring "Jet Li"... it's an awesome movie... somewhat new (2001), and it's the first Hollywood movie i've seen that has a prominent actor practicing an internal art :nod: :wink: very nice if you want to see what they look like, and it's definately impressive, and performed by one of the most well-known martial artists in the world.
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god i don't know. most of the details i've given are correct, but white tiger can help you if you have any specific questions about a specific martial art. Regardless which one you choose, be assured that there will be benefits to taking it :)
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Very interesting, because it seems to be recommended to take an external art first would it be to my advantage if I took say Kung-Fu for a hwile then also took an internal art?
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Hey Stealth...did you know whats the other JL used? The Alternate Uses a system Called Bak Mei Pai.
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JL? Sorry, i'm a n00b
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Jet Li Dude
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my bad... i knew that :0
if you're talking what he used in The One, it was the "good" Jet Li (Gabe) using Bagua, and the "bad" Jet Li (Yulaw) using Hsing-I.
Note that he only actually FIGHTS bagua at the end of the movie, all teh other fight scenes, even the beginning of the main fight scene, they both fight Hsing-i
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Stealth, going back to one of your earlier points; I don't really agree with 'the legs are for standing and the hands are for fighting' idea. If only from my limited experience of wing chun I've realised that the legs are as, if not more important than the hands when it comes to fighting effectively. I'm not specifically talking kicks here, they can be used to trap and direct your opponent as well as keeping the opponent at an optimum distance for you to fight effectively.
Also with a couple of exceptions there are very few attacks from the upper body directed towards your opponent's legs, these attacks rely on kicks. The knees, shins and feet are all viable targets and with the proper techniques you can limit your opponents movement by attacking these areas. One very simple and effective move involves stepping onto your opponent's kneecap whilst their leg is locked (they haven't bent their knees) and punching to the head simulteaneously, pressing on their knee pushes their upper body towards your punch effectively increasing the impact force. Then you can slide your heel straight down their shin and attack the pressure point on the top of their foot and so on.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
Stealth, going back to one of your earlier points; I don't really agree with 'the legs are for standing and the hands are for fighting' idea. If only from my limited experience of wing chun I've realised that the legs are as, if not more important than the hands when it comes to fighting effectively. I'm not specifically talking kicks here, they can be used to trap and direct your opponent as well as keeping the opponent at an optimum distance for you to fight effectively.
Also with a couple of exceptions there are very few attacks from the upper body directed towards your opponent's legs, these attacks rely on kicks. The knees, shins and feet are all viable targets and with the proper techniques you can limit your opponents movement by attacking these areas. One very simple and effective move involves stepping onto your opponent's kneecap whilst their leg is locked (they haven't bent their knees) and punching to the head simulteaneously, pressing on their knee pushes their upper body towards your punch effectively increasing the impact force. Then you can slide your heel straight down their shin and attack the pressure point on the top of their foot and so on.
i believe in kicking too. Bagua also has kicks, but they are not high crescent kicks and other kicks meant to "show off"... they're a necessity, usually a kick to the knee-cap, etc.
When i say i don't believe in kicking, i mean i don't believe in kicking like in taekwondo, where kicking IS the martial art... you know what i'm saying, right?
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Originally posted by Stealth
i believe in kicking too. Bagua also has kicks, but they are not high crescent kicks and other kicks meant to "show off"... they're a necessity, usually a kick to the knee-cap, etc.
When i say i don't believe in kicking, i mean i don't believe in kicking like in taekwondo, where kicking IS the martial art... you know what i'm saying, right?
Yeah, notice how long those TKD guys warm up and stretch for before training? Trying some of those kicks off the bat in a streetfight will get you a pulled muscle if you're lucky and ripped ligaments if you're not.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
Yeah, notice how long those TKD guys warm up and stretch for before training? Trying some of those kicks off the bat in a streetfight will get you a pulled muscle if you're lucky and ripped ligaments if you're not.
kicks can be very effective, but why kick to the head and risk getting taken down/taken off-balance/leave your guard down, when you could just use your hands. I'd only ever kick below the waist, unless if the guy's on the ground or another special circumstance calls for it
EDIT: I was going to tell you i like your 'dragon' avatar :p, i knew i'd seen it somewhere (www.hsing-i.com)... very nice!
i was going to request if i could have the 'phoenix' as an avatar, but i thought that if i do it, everyone else will, and they wouldn't give me that priveledge anyway :p
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Originally posted by Stealth
kicks can be very effective, but why kick to the head and risk getting taken down/taken off-balance/leave your guard down, when you could just use your hands. I'd only ever kick below the waist, unless if the guy's on the ground or another special circumstance calls for it
EDIT: I was going to tell you i like your 'dragon' avatar :p, i knew i'd seen it somewhere (www.hsing-i.com)... very nice!
i was going to request if i could have the 'phoenix' as an avatar, but i thought that if i do it, everyone else will, and they wouldn't give me that priveledge anyway :p
It's more of a placeholder than anything else, unfortunately I'm not in a position to give you any kind of a custom avatar (no longer staff) and it's not HLP policy in any case. The rest of your hard working, venerable overlords (read: HLP staff) very kindly let me keep a custom avatar. :)
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of course i knew that the admins wouldn't let me have an avatar like yours :p... i was just saying... it'd be pretty cool if all the 'martial artists' could wear an avatar representing the style or form of martial art they're taking :cool:
but fortunately this isn't a martial arts forum :)
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
unfortunately I'm not in a position to give you any kind of a custom
i wasn't asking you for one :confused: :)