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Title: If you could be an animal...
Post by: Stealth on September 02, 2002, 03:31:29 pm: I just realized this.

If you could be an animal THAT RESIDES ON EARTH!!! (sorry Carl... no Shivans :) ) what would you be? Any animal... and also say why

I'd probably be a falcon or an eagle or some bird of prey, cause you can fly, swim, and walk :)
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Post by: an0n on September 02, 2002, 03:33:21 pm: Queen bug of some kind of hive. Probably wasps. I'd march my minions against the humans race and forge a new era of bug supremecy.

Or failing that, a Blue Whale.
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 02, 2002, 03:44:13 pm: Quote
I'd probably be a falcon or an eagle or some bird of prey, cause you can fly, swim, and walk

Can't think of a better answer, yet :wink:
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Post by: delta_7890 on September 02, 2002, 03:52:58 pm: Hrm... If I were to be any creature on this Earth... It would probably be a dolphin. Dunno why, they're just cool. ^^;
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Post by: Galemp on September 02, 2002, 03:54:32 pm: An owl, of course. They have binocular vision, can turn their heads 270 degrees in each direction, fly silently, and behead cute little woodland creatures and pick out their brains.
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Post by: CP5670 on September 02, 2002, 03:54:32 pm: I don't know...a lion maybe? (since he can chase away anyone else around :D)
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Post by: an0n on September 02, 2002, 03:55:45 pm: OOOOOOHH!!!!! I wanna be a Yeti!!!!!!
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Post by: RandomTiger on September 02, 2002, 04:05:20 pm: A tiger or a dolphin
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Post by: Kellan on September 02, 2002, 04:13:15 pm: Something that doesn't get hunted by man for its pelt, ivory, bones, fat, or sport. Which narrows it down somewhat. :p
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Post by: Shrike on September 02, 2002, 04:18:15 pm: A raven. :devil:
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Post by: Kellan on September 02, 2002, 04:24:13 pm: Nevermore.
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Post by: Blue Lion on September 02, 2002, 04:28:48 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
I don't know...a lion maybe? (since he can chase away anyone else around :D)

uh no....

I do believe I have a claim to that ;)
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Post by: Zeronet on September 02, 2002, 04:28:52 pm: A Gray Alien from Area 51 :D
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Post by: Hudzy on September 02, 2002, 04:37:46 pm: In which case...

a Greasel! Hehe.

Failing that some sort of bird of prey.
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Post by: Nico on September 02, 2002, 05:17:53 pm: Nessie :p
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Post by: phreak on September 02, 2002, 05:21:18 pm: i'd be a human because we wash with soap
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 02, 2002, 05:23:26 pm: k, how bout' an owl or a tiger, :) or an OwlTiger :cool:
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Post by: an0n on September 02, 2002, 05:25:13 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Kellan
Nevermore.

..................fool.
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Post by: Mr. Vega on September 02, 2002, 06:06:07 pm: With the need for speed, I'd take the cheetah.
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Post by: aldo_14 on September 02, 2002, 06:10:40 pm: An Orca, probs (Killer Whale). Top predator of the sea, and social animal. Graceful, too.

Assuming being human isn't possible.
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Post by: vyper on September 02, 2002, 06:13:37 pm: Lion :)
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Post by: Mr. Vega on September 02, 2002, 06:16:43 pm: Wait, no, I'll take the Dolphin, because its the most intelligent animal on the planet that's not human. That, and that half my brain could sleep while the other half surfaces for air.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on September 02, 2002, 06:25:14 pm: Wolf. Gotta' be wolf. Smart, high endurance, able to take down animals quite a bit larger than it.
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Post by: Fineus on September 02, 2002, 06:46:35 pm: Dragon.

Though that isn't allowed, so one of the following...in no order.

Wolf, Dolphin, Eagle, Cocker Spaniel.
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Post by: vadar_1 on September 02, 2002, 06:51:51 pm: Well... depends how much you beleave, if you beleave this exists on earth ...

Supreme Entity of all Creation
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 02, 2002, 06:56:10 pm: is this a new animal vadar? :D
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Post by: Stryke 9 on September 02, 2002, 11:52:47 pm: A tank!
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Post by: Dr.Zer0 on September 03, 2002, 02:50:14 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
A tank!

witch kind :p
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Post by: Pegasus V on September 03, 2002, 03:18:13 am: A crow. Because they're the most intelligent flying creature on Earth... Plus they can fly.
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Post by: Fineus on September 03, 2002, 03:18:19 am: Tanks aren't magical dude, I'm sure you meant "which" ;)
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Post by: Razor on September 03, 2002, 04:51:46 am: Probaby a shark or a panther. The master of stealth and speed.
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Post by: Gortef on September 03, 2002, 05:34:17 am: Wolf... or Esso err I mean Tiger... ... Dolphin could be nice too... Eagle is a good choise too. Hmm, on the other hand a Giant Turtle is a good choise, they live quite long :D
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Post by: diamondgeezer on September 03, 2002, 05:36:13 am: Cat.

Eat. Sleep. Crap.

So, Cat.
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Post by: wEvil on September 03, 2002, 05:59:28 am: a hampster.
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Post by: Kitsune on September 03, 2002, 06:07:58 am: A fox or raccoon...

Be smart, or have good dexterity without being a monkey... (And able to live almost anywhere while I'm at it.)
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Post by: Zeronet on September 03, 2002, 07:11:38 am: At least an alien in Area 51 was a serious suggestion or one that *is* possible.
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Post by: Nico on September 03, 2002, 07:19:48 am: Quote
Originally posted by Thunder
Tanks aren't magical dude, I'm sure you meant "which" ;)

you've never seen "those who hunt elves", have you? :D
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Post by: Sandwich on September 03, 2002, 07:39:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
k, how bout' an owl or a tiger, :) or an OwlTiger :cool:

A Towel? <-- LOL!! :lol:
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 07:46:22 am: Quote
Originally posted by Mr. Vega
With the need for speed, I'd take the cheetah.

Eagles fly with a speed of 300 killometers per hour... thats three times more than cheetah :)

Quote
Originally posted by an0n
OOOOOOHH!!!!! I wanna be a Yeti!!!!!!

My cousain is a Yeti

And I?? I want to be a god:D
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 07:48:22 am: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich

A Towel? <-- LOL!! :lol:

And best of all, you mean this seriusly:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: Stunaep on September 03, 2002, 08:22:13 am: well, a cow perhaps. They're so calm, and cute, and fluffy.

Wait, make that a flying cow. I just love flying.
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Post by: Nico on September 03, 2002, 09:09:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by Reaper

Eagles fly with a speed of 300 killometers per hour... thats three times more than cheetah :)

of course not :p eagles are slow ass, can barely go faster than 60 km/h. falcons do fly at 320 km/h tho ( well, they don't fly, they "fall", wings folded, directly to the ground, they kill their preys thanx to the speed - I wonder how they don't kill themsleves at the same time tho *splash!! mixed sparrow/falcon* )
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 09:21:22 am: Oh... i didn't know theres a difrance betwen eagles and falcons... Anyway... than be falcon...
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Post by: Stargazer_2098 on September 03, 2002, 10:17:03 am: I'd be a Bird of Pray: Falcon, Eagle, Hawk...
:)

Stargazer.
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 10:53:10 am: I would still be a god... he can go 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000l ightyears/h
:D and he can do real MAGIC
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 11:00:03 am: Quote
Originally posted by Razor
Probaby a shark or a panther. The master of stealth and speed.

yeah i was thinking panther or leopard or even a cheetah... because of their stealth and speed (panther anyway)

but i still stick with the bird :)
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 11:01:18 am: Quote
Originally posted by Reaper

Eagles fly with a speed of 300 killometers per hour... thats three times more than cheetah :)

falcons DIVE at a speed of over 300 kilometers per hour, but they don't fly that fast :) but yes, at that speed they're the fastest animal in the world
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 11:19:49 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

falcons DIVE at a speed of over 300 kilometers per hour, but they don't fly that fast :) but yes, at that speed they're the fastest animal in the world

Ya, falcons... but still 320 is more than cheetah:D
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 11:21:38 am: Quote
Originally posted by Reaper

Ya, falcons... but still 320 is more than cheetah:D

that's what i just said... it's the fastest any animal can go in the world!
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 12:17:29 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

that's what i just said... it's the fastest any animal can go in the world!

I can prove you're wrong... :D
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 12:23:57 pm: try it b1tch!!! :D
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 12:33:56 pm: Humans go faster than 2 mach already... HA beat this:lol:
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Post by: Tiara on September 03, 2002, 12:34:55 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Reaper
Humans go faster than 2 mach already... HA beat this:lol:

Actually they can go up to 20 MACH.... ;7
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 12:35:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara

Actually they can go up to 20 MACH.... ;7

Ya, i forgot :D See... Stealth BEAT THIS :D
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 12:41:25 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara

Actually they can go up to 20 MACH.... ;7

i don't think they can...
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 12:41:58 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Reaper

Ya, i forgot :D See... Stealth BEAT THIS :D

even if something CAN go 20 Mach, it's definately not an animal, so i'm still right :p

the falcon is the FASTEST animal in the world :D
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Post by: Tiara on September 03, 2002, 12:47:57 pm: Human = Animal :D
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 12:49:28 pm: Yes, and human is inside the thing that goes 20mach... so human moves with the speed of 20 mach
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 12:50:54 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Reaper
Yes, and human is inside the thing that goes 20mach... so human moves with the speed of 20 mach

awww c'mon, you could put a friggin' turtle inside it and it would be going Mach 20 too!

And so what if a "human=animal" Tiara? we all know that, but unfortunately regardless what a human is, it's not the fastest thing on the planet :D :D :D
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Post by: Reaper on September 03, 2002, 12:52:55 pm: But it actually went faster than other animals :D
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Post by: Tiara on September 03, 2002, 12:53:25 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

awww c'mon, you could put a friggin' turtle inside it and it would be going Mach 20 too!

Nope... the turtle would die :p

And so what if a "human=animal" Tiara? we all know that, but unfortunately regardless what a human is, it's not the fastest thing on the planet :D :D :D

Human = Wild, out of control, weird ass monkey :D:D:D:D
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 12:54:23 pm: humans would die too i think

how fast is Mach 20 anyway? i don't think man is NEAR that speed... last i heard they were trying to break Mach 4
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Post by: Tiara on September 03, 2002, 12:57:09 pm: From Enceclopedia :

Scramjet (supersonic combusting ramjet) - When the air inside a ramjet exceeds the speed of sound (meaning an aircraft speed of around Mach 5+) combustion fails to occur properly. This is overcome in a scramjet: the inlet is much wider (typically the entire underside of the craft) so the compression is less and the air remains at supersonic speeds. But conventional fuels are unusable at these speeds, so reactive chemicals or gases are used and the design of the jet is much more complex. Like a ramjet the scramjet must already be moving extremely fast before it will start working but, theoretically, speeds in excess of Mach 20 are possible.
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 01:00:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara
Mach 5 = Speed of sound

From Enceclopedia :

Scramjet (supersonic combusting ramjet) - When the air inside a ramjet exceeds the speed of sound (meaning an aircraft speed of around Mach 5+) combustion fails to occur properly. This is overcome in a scramjet: the inlet is much wider (typically the entire underside of the craft) so the compression is less and the air remains at supersonic speeds. But conventional fuels are unusable at these speeds, so reactive chemicals or gases are used and the design of the jet is much more complex. Like a ramjet the scramjet must already be moving extremely fast before it will start working but, theoretically, speeds in excess of Mach 20 are possible.

i know, i'm aware of that, but note the word theoretically... theoretically a lot of things SHOULD happen but they don't!

Yeah, i remember when i was building a helicopter reading about Scram and Ramjets... cause i was pondering on whether i should have a jet-propelled helicopter (which don't need a tail-rotor) or not (which need a tail-rotor)
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Post by: Tiara on September 03, 2002, 01:01:38 pm: true... :p
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Post by: Nico on September 03, 2002, 01:14:41 pm: bah, the turtle wouldn't die, they have mice onboard the space stations, and those things go at mach dunno what, but faster than mach 5 :p
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Post by: castor on September 03, 2002, 01:38:59 pm: The escape speed for Earth is more than 11 km/s.

Back to topic..

I'd be a swift -- had to be _specific_ on that, I'd hate to be something called "a swallow"..
Anyway, they seem to fly with great speed, manoeuvers and humour. Evidently just for fun.
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Post by: Carl on September 03, 2002, 01:41:15 pm: i would be a human, because compared to us, they are animals.
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Post by: Sandwich on September 03, 2002, 04:14:59 pm: Man has surpassed Mach 20 a long time ago. Back in the early 80's, actually. The Space Shuttle, on re-entry into the atmosphere, reaches either Mach 22 or 24, I forget which. :D
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 04:27:48 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
Man has surpassed Mach 20 a long time ago. Back in the early 80's, actually. The Space Shuttle, on re-entry into the atmosphere, reaches either Mach 22 or 24, I forget which. :D

i know, but that's comparative to the falcon's "falling" ability... we're talking natural speed
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Post by: Sandwich on September 03, 2002, 04:30:40 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

i know, but that's comparative to the falcon's "falling" ability... we're talking natural speed

Clarification: People who are remaining on-topic are talking about natural speeds. :D ;)
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Post by: Levyathan on September 03, 2002, 04:48:49 pm: I'd be a big fat whale.

Drop me from ten miles high and you'll see who the fastest animal on Earth is. ;7

Damn, too late.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on September 03, 2002, 05:41:25 pm: Methinks Levythan needs to be introduced to a certain Galileo...

If not a tank, then a face grabber. If not a face grabber, then I don't know what. Most animals kinda get screwed these days by humanity, and none can play computer games that I know of.
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Post by: Vertigo1 on September 03, 2002, 08:23:40 pm: I'd be a wolf. 10 minute orgasms baby! :p That, and I'd look cool. :)
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Post by: Stealth on September 03, 2002, 09:48:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by castor
The escape speed for Earth is more than 11 km/s.

Back to topic..

I'd be a swift -- had to be _specific_ on that, I'd hate to be something called "a swallow"..
Anyway, they seem to fly with great speed, manoeuvers and humour. Evidently just for fun.

a swift, with the 'forked' tail? that's tite!!!

lol Levyathon :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: Bobboau on September 03, 2002, 10:33:11 pm: falcons eat swifts
and not every animal get screwed ove by humanity, for example rats, flys, roaches, tape worms, pigons, any aniamal that can learn to take advantage of us does real good
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Post by: Tiara on September 04, 2002, 12:34:12 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stealth

i know, but that's comparative to the falcon's "falling" ability... we're talking natural speed

Falling = natural... :p
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Post by: Reaper on September 04, 2002, 08:12:28 am: Yes... and when a shuttle goes in atmosphere... it falls(with small abount of thrusters)...and humans inside falls also:D It's still faster than falcon!!
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Post by: Levyathan on September 04, 2002, 09:34:10 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9
Methinks Levythan needs to be introduced to a certain Galileo...

Now, don't you look just l33t pointing an elementary physics error in my oh-so-serious post?
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Post by: CP5670 on September 04, 2002, 12:47:09 pm: Actually, the speed of the whale would be very slightly faster than something with less mass because the whale's gravity is pulling the planet towards the whale as well, but the difference would not exactly be huge. :D
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Post by: Sandwich on September 04, 2002, 04:59:05 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Actually, the speed of the whale would be very slightly faster than something with less mass because the whale's gravity is pulling the planet towards the whale as well, but the difference would not exactly be huge. :D

That effect is near-completely negligable compared to the effect air resistance would have on the falling object.
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 04, 2002, 05:08:46 pm: Quote
and not every animal get screwed ove by humanity, for example rats, flys, roaches, tape worms, pigons, any aniamal that can learn to take advantage of us does real good

tru , although they don't get toally screwed.... do you usually let flys/rats/roaches/pigeons live when they bother you?
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 04, 2002, 05:10:45 pm: methinks Tiara has a scramjet fetish ;)
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Post by: aldo_14 on September 04, 2002, 05:18:12 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Tiara

Falling = natural... :p

Only if you start from up in the air.
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Post by: Alikchi on September 04, 2002, 05:27:48 pm: Harpy eagle. I eat monkeys!
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Post by: Stargazer_2098 on September 15, 2002, 01:29:01 pm: Or maybe a Dolphin; I have heard they are almost as intelligent as humans. :)

Stargazer.
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Post by: Waffleboy on September 15, 2002, 01:38:20 pm: I'd be a mammoth, cause then it won't be so easy for people to eat me :ha:
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Post by: Fineus on September 15, 2002, 01:51:00 pm: I'm inclined to go with Dolphins after some consideration. Dragons (were they real) would also get my vote....

Oh, and god isn't the only one who can work magic ;)
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Post by: CP5670 on September 15, 2002, 04:10:00 pm: Quote
That effect is near-completely negligable compared to the effect air resistance would have on the falling object.

But that does not exist on every planet. :p :D
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Post by: Thor on September 15, 2002, 04:16:35 pm: I'd be a mouse, as they make housewifes in late sixties sitcomms stand on tables and are the smartest animal on the planet (followed by dolphins then humans). which makes sense seeing how they are just this worldly projections of vast pan-dimensional beings. ;)
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Post by: Stryke 9 on September 15, 2002, 04:22:59 pm: Maybe an experimental bioweapon-grade smallpox virus. I'm above people on the food chain!

'Course, then I could also be a vulture, but they're kinda nasty birds. **** all over my yard.
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Post by: saturn114 on September 15, 2002, 05:08:56 pm: a falcon because it is big and majestic soars with ambition and pride
and swoops down with one shot and devours it prey
heck i like anything that flys
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Post by: saturn114 on September 15, 2002, 05:10:07 pm: lol Stryke 9
can eat some of that good looking vulture ****?
lol:rolleyes:
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Post by: Borealis on September 15, 2002, 06:47:28 pm: [color=sky blue]a boa constrictor....

they spend a good bit of time with their victims before they devour them[/color] (http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/server-smilies/contrib/edoom/eat_arrow.gif)

:D
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 15, 2002, 06:49:20 pm: Quote
they spend a good bit of time with their victims before they devour them

:confused: /;7 ?
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Post by: Borealis on September 15, 2002, 06:54:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar

:confused: /;7 ?

[color=sky blue]yes dear you are correct[/color] ;)
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Post by: Knight Templar on September 15, 2002, 07:00:33 pm: :D :D :D
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Post by: Blue Lion on September 15, 2002, 07:06:59 pm: Actually I think more correct would be...

:wtf: / ;7 / :lol: / :drevil:
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Post by: icespeed on September 16, 2002, 03:51:40 am: a cat. humans don't screw around with cats, cats screw around with humans.

draconis marina; wyverns, gryphons; elves. In my opinion, elves are feline, and therefore animal.

shark wouldn't be bad, either- great white.
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Post by: Black Wolf on September 16, 2002, 04:13:47 am: An Amoeba

Amoebas...Rock.
Thankyouverymuchgoodnight.
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Post by: Admiral LSD on September 16, 2002, 11:30:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by icespeed
a cat. humans don't screw around with cats, cats screw around with humans.

That would be cool and all but I don't think I'm entirely comfortable with the whole "lick your own ass" thing...
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Post by: Redfang on September 16, 2002, 11:41:36 am: Quote
Originally posted by Admiral LSD

That would be cool and all but I don't think I'm entirely comfortable with the whole "lick your own ass" thing...
:lol:
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Post by: CP5670 on September 16, 2002, 12:50:24 pm: Actually, I might want to be a karkian from DX; both strong and fast... :D
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Post by: Corsair on September 16, 2002, 03:48:45 pm: I'd be a mouse........;)
but then I wouldn't really be from earth, would I?

edit: damn, didn't read Thor's post. And I thought I was being so original...:sigh:

edit2: sh*t, double posted....:sigh:
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Post by: Corsair on September 16, 2002, 03:52:25 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Corsair
I'd be a mouse........;)
but then I wouldn't really be from earth, would I?

edit: damn, didn't read Thor's post. And I thought I was being so original...:sigh: