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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Knight Templar on September 06, 2002, 07:37:38 pm
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I have recently discovered that Commited teachers and well thought-out lesson plans can make a world of difference in an education.
My Geometry teacher is great. Funny, cares, strict, yet not forboding, talented, knows what he is doing... overall great teach.
This has made a big difference i feel on how i take the subject.. i actually am understanding it and wanting to learn, feels great. All of the above bassically goes for my spanish teacher too. I knwo that there is some link because with most of my other teachers, i don't really "feel " it.
What do you guys think? What makes a good education? Can teachers really make or break the experiance?
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Uh..yeah. Good teacher=Good learning.
*had a hot History teacher and a good Chem teacher*
*got good grades in those subjects*
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heheh hella fiine teachers work too..
*remember's a certain substitute teach that refused to pass out her personal phone number*
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I was the only ****er in my entire school not to get a year-book. If I can scrounge one off a friend then I'll scan the hot teachers pic so you can see just how intoxicating she really is/was/forever will be.
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:D :D :D
please please please
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:lol:
maybe this belongs in the women thread ;7
or we could jus convert this into a sexy teacher picture post... s'all cool here
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Originally posted by an0n
Uh..yeah. Good teacher=Good learning.
*had a hot History teacher and a good Chem teacher*
*got good grades in those subjects*
how the hell did you find a hot teacher anyway? All the ones around here are crusty old geezers/granny's.
(Why the effing hell aren't there any hot teachers in our school)
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Public School is crap. They really don't know what to do with you between the ages of 14-18. That's why High School is really boring and do less than what the 5-8th grade does. Or at least in my school. :doubt:
Hot teachers...hmmm I got 2 and another that is a M.I.L.F.
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I find that the good teachers don't teach better, but if they actually know what they're talking about and have a sense of humor, they tend to captivate the student's attention better. For example, my Global Studies teacher last year actually had lived in India and was dyslexic and not afraid to admit it, and I feel most people did good in his class. Over half the students in the Honors class were in his class last year.
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Well i've had... 'conflicting' experiences with teachers. My chem teacher last year was a total *****... she was about 60, fat, never maried. She constantly yelled at us whenever you did something slightly wrong. She would scribble red all over your page and yell some more when you handed in an assignment with something wrong on it. However, I can still remember all the material perfectly, so therefor, dispite the hell of being in the class, you could classify that as a 'good teacher'. My physics teacher on the other hand... was a kinda-short semi-bald 40 year old guy who had been married for several years. He was always fun and had a great sense of humor, and always did a demonstration on what we were learning. No matter what it was, he could always find some tools to do a demonstration to prove that physics was more real then just alot of equations. By making everyone understand the physics behind the physics with demonstrations, the equations where easier to understand and use. Good class to go through, and i still remember most of it... good teacher. Now my math teacher, he still had a sense of humor... but his instructing was dull and 'textbook' like. Explaining things well enough on the board... but still very dull. He didn't reinforce the princaples, its just... heres how to do it, now practice on your own. He didn't reinforce the material, nor did he use demonstrations, and i didn't do so well in that class. Finally this brings me to my grade 10 (2 years ago) english teacher. He was an annoying guy who would always stare at the girls in our class. He didn't do a whole lot... basically just "read this, do this" kinda thing... I did horrable in that class, it was very disorganized.
But to answer the original question... a teacher can make you hate a subject if they really **** it up.
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but if they actually know what they're talking about and have a sense of humor, they tend to captivate the student's attention better
that sounds exactly like my geometry teacher, and he also, like vadar said, can back things up and uses examples, i think he's gonna be a great teacher... and the good thing is he teaches trig too.
i have had some really bad teachers though too.. i think my english teacher isn't going to be too great, i know it's only the first week, but she barely says anything and we're doing stuff like "personality windows" were we make a window out of paper and color in different things about ourselves... i know it's still a "get to know you prject" like i said, but it's kinda degrading and patronizing
i think my biology teacher is just a woman in desigise... transvestite if you will, i feel sorry for his "wife"
My computer foundries teacher is a hard ass.
We have to take typing our first 3 weeks to become "efficent" and the like. Thing is i already know how to type as some of you may have noticed.. but aparently i don't do it correctly.
Correctly being homerow and not doing it being i don't use it. i don't use homerow because i have a normal keyboard and keeping my hands liek that beats the crap out of them and is so uncomfortable, so i just use what is comfortable and remember where the keys are from there. (on my left hand i have my pointer on "c", my bird on "d" , ring on "s" and pinky either on "a" or "shift". On my right hand we have the pointer on "m", vird on "j", ring on "k" and pink on "l") i know it sounds wierd but my hands and fingers are all over the board when they type, i just remember where the keys are.
anywho, back on topic, of course he sees how i type, says i am not doing it correctly and am "just trying to go fast and zip through the lessons" and makes me do homerow which is unaccostemed and uncomfortable... needless to say i go back to my way when he walks past. So while i am on typing lesson 6 (doing double the work as everyone else, i am typing each row twice as compared to everyone else's once) everyone else is on lesson 3 -4.
I think i'm gonna get out of the class.
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Originally posted by vadar_1
But to answer the original question... a teacher can make you hate a subject if they really **** it up.
Tru dat. My english 2 teacher is a uber-*****. she's like 70, all family dead(and bitter because of it), alzhiemers, dislexia, parkensons, and hemmoroids. nuff said...
Public school is ****e, end of story.
PS: an0n, hurry with that yearbook thing(I gotta see this one).
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sheeit dude... that's when u get them in the hospital and accidently rip over the life support plug
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My Social Studies teacher 2 years ago was the most worthless teacher ever. Basically all he did was pull some project off the internet, print it out and give it to us. Then he goes off and surfs some porn sites or something (well maybe not porn...).
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well, let's put it that way. Three years ago, we had a math teacher, who was overall great, had a great sense of humor, but, had slight troubles explaining stuff to us. She was actually a chemistry teacher, by profession so that could have played a part as well. My grades at that time were.... average.
Now, we have a maths teacher who has all the same characteristics as the other one, BUT she can also explain the subject so well, that even guys with IQ equal to a pine can understand. Of course, my grades went up noticeably after that.
Also, our Russian teacher is a 60-year-old fat cow, from the old soviet school (has us learn everything in the book by heart), is generally strict and apart from some occasions is very very unpleasant. BUT, she teaches his subject well. It's a different, and albeit crappier method, but hey, it works.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
sheeit dude... that's when u get them in the hospital and accidently rip over the life support plug
One problem with that plan: Everybody know I want to do it and the fukin pigs don't need evidence anymore, just drug money.
But what im gonna do one day is when she is skribbling in grades, im gonna sneak up behind her and let out the most demonic war cry i can and hope she has a heart attack.
One more thing: Tha ***** slips some(no, a lot) of vodka into her 20 Oz. mug at lunch, so im gonna make some niccotine poision and put a few drops in...:devil:
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It depends. In principle, if we are talking about actual learning rather than good grades, then I would say that the student's interest in the subject is more important. However, the public school system of today is geared so that the teacher probably counts even more than the student both in grades and learning. :doubt: :p
The third option is the best; I am doing exactly the second part of that. :D
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I can't really vote for just one thing listed here.
Because I know for a fact that there's homelife stuff that screws things up for students, not to mention some just don't give a damn.
In the 11th-12th I had the same math teacher (Ms. Thurman) and she couldn't have been older than 35. And she didn't look older than 25. I was there for geometry one year then algebra 2 the next.
She was funny, could crack the best blonde jokes (She was one but didn't act it thank god) and wore the tightest knee-length dresses she could...
For the first time since elementary school I was making A's in math (which is why I never made it to calc or trig in high school, my old math teachers were so bleeding boring...)
However most of my classmates had the typical "high-school" attitude where school was just a place to go hang with their homies and **** with the little guys and try to get hooked up with some drugs or another.
Then there were the punkers who just wanted to screw around and mess with the quiet people.
And most of them were in my class, and getting failing grades.
And what's sad is I HATED geometry, way too much memorization for me to handle.
Now, my 10th grade science teacher was Mrs. Kuhn.
A hefty-set mexican guy in the class was the clown and had a bunch of guys following his footsteps. His favorite thing to do was wait for her to turn around and make a coughing sound that always came out *coon-dog!*
Well, she had a mental breakdown in the middle of class and left.
We had a substitute teacher for the rest of the year. An old lady who has been to the school since it was built in 1915 as a 'little red schoolhouse' and had all her kids go there, and became a teacher for an ungodly number of years, and now a substitute. Old woman'll be there forever and doesn't take anyone's B.S.
However the original teacher was still bad... But then the class didn't help matters. I remember having bad grades all through and barely making it at the end. Taught us the basics of the periodic table of the elements, how to recognize oxides in chemistry names...
Then on the final exam we get stuff like 'Name this compound' and would spit out a 10-25 molecule chain...
I went through the science book the next day and couldn't find a damn thing relating to that question.
And while I barely passed, others never came anywhere close to passing, the big guy had like a 25% average in there. And go fig, he was held back, twice. Probably more, but I won't know since I finished as 'most improved senior' (meaning my GPA had gained at least a 1.5 points from freshman to senior.
Better teachers help, but if you don't want to learn, if you think school's a place to hang out... Then it's all about what you get from them.
*Doubts that many here were in the "Let's go **** around cause school's a joke" crowd.*
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Originally posted by Kitsune
*Doubts that many here were in the "Let's go **** around cause school's a joke" crowd.*
You doubt wrong.
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Originally posted by demon442
You doubt wrong.
Yes well, one person compared to how many members here?
The definition of 'many' involves more than one or two people.
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There are probably some. :D
I have always completely and utterly despised school, both the general atmosphere everywhere (although this might be different at universities) as well as the pace at and methods through which things are taught, so much so that I am not enrolled in a school anymore and am pretty much just learning independently. With the pressures of school out of the way, I can concentrate on actually learning stuff, and to give an idea of how inefficient the entire school system is (not just the teachers; everything, the whole method), consider this: I had not even gone halfway through basic calculus and had mediocre knowledge of that subject when I quit high school in late January, and I am now heavily into the field of asymptotic analysis/special functions, having completed several prerequisite math "sub-disciplines" in between, and if I was doing this through the school/university system only it would have taken four or five years. (and there is no real way to accelerate the pace, since most require you to go through the entire course anyway and not just take a test) Now this is simply pathetic, and it just goes to show that the whole system needs a total revamping.
I will of course still have to go through the university system to get the degrees, but not to actually learn. :p
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School trains kids to be obedient, not to learn
Good kids wait fto be told what to do. Whether it be work, reading or anything. They don't just go off and do it. How can anyone take seriously the commitment to the aquisition of knowledge, of an institution where you learn at a dictated pace, have strangers tell you what you should and shouldn't know and have to ask permission to do something as simple as go to the toilet?
Take a look at www.johntaylorgatto.com . This guy has won the New York State Teacher of the year award and quit because he said that school harms the children it teaches. Since then he's spent over five years collecting material about the origins of compulsive schooling. He can appear a bit religious at times (decrying drugs, casual sex etc.) which lessens his credibility but it's still an interesting read. *look at sig*
CP: Interesting, I have the same sort of problem myself. Independent learning is not recognised by anyone. How did you start out learning calculus to asymptotic analysis/special functions? Was it totally independent or did you have a mentor of some sort?
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Originally posted by Top Gun
School trains kids to be obedient, not to learn
Perhaps some do, but it's because of this that the more intelligent of us who see this come out better people for it - we can see who wants us to be obedient and why and recognise it again in later life.
Of course during school it'd be a tough battle, getting in trouble at school and so on - but if you really do recognise the truth and aren't simply fighting against school because youre some kind of teen-angst ridden reble type, you can come out a massively better person.
Edit: Back on the topic, yes - a good tutor makes for better learning. One who punishes you for no good reason, holds a grudge, can't teach or simply doesn't have the charachter to cope with a class of students will not get better results or coporation out of his/her students.
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Originally posted by Thunder
Perhaps some do, but it's because of this that the more intelligent of us who see this come out better people for it - we can see who wants us to be obedient and why and recognise it again in later life.
Of course during school it'd be a tough battle, getting in trouble at school and so on - but if you really do recognise the truth and aren't simply fighting against school because youre some kind of teen-angst ridden reble type, you can come out a massively better person.
Edit: Back on the topic, yes - a good tutor makes for better learning. One who punishes you for no good reason, holds a grudge, can't teach or simply doesn't have the charachter to cope with a class of students will not get better results or coporation out of his/her students.
Not really, the only way to come out of school and not be branded a moron is to conform. You may be more intelligent than Einstien and do fantastically well in every single subject but try walking into school with multiple facial piercings, a mowhawk hairstyle, and dressed in a politically taboo (go to www.tshirthell.com and take your pick) T-shirt and a kilt as opposed to normal school uniform and see how quickly you're put in isolation.
Of course those who go through school and come out unaffected will be more enlightened. The same can be said for those in North Korean Gulags or survivors of Nazi deth camps. The fact of the matter is that it's a complete waste of time more productively spent learning at home/in libraries/on the net.
Consider contries like Sweeden and Switzerland. Both are amongst the healthiest, richest contries in the world. In Sweeden, nobody goes to school until they're 7+, In Switzerland, only 25%of people graduate from high school.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Not really, the only way to come out of school and not be branded a moron is to conform. You may be more intelligent than Einstien and do fantastically well in every single subject but try walking into school with multiple facial piercings, a mowhawk hairstyle, and dressed in a politically taboo (go to www.tshirthell.com and take your pick) T-shirt and a kilt as opposed to normal school uniform and see how quickly you're put in isolation.
I'd say, come to Holland. I have a guy at my uni with a mowhawk hairstyle, some have facial piercings and some girls have strings coming out from their pants! We have no uniforms whatsoever. All our schools are public and standardized (Some are still private but not that many). I'm very proud on our education system if I hear you all talk that lowly about yours. Only if you act irrational (Like fighting, smoking pot on school grounds, etc) then you get punished.
Of course those who go through school and come out unaffected will be more enlightened. The same can be said for those in North Korean Gulags or survivors of Nazi deth camps. The fact of the matter is that it's a complete waste of time more productively spent learning at home/in libraries/on the net.
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Consider contries like Sweeden and Switzerland. Both are amongst the healthiest, richest contries in the world. In Sweeden, nobody goes to school until they're 7+, In Switzerland, only 25% of people graduate from high school.
Well last year on the HAVO, Atheneum and Gymnasium (Education levels. We have a different system) 87% graduated.
Note : This was on my old high school (wich was a standard Dutch school)
On the Dutch system :
We have several levels of educaton in High school :
- Special education for less gifted.
- VMBO (Average level)
- HAVO (Higher education)
- Atheneum/Gymnasium (Highest with gymnasium having Greek and Latin extra)
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Not really, the only way to come out of school and not be branded a moron is to conform. You may be more intelligent than Einstien and do fantastically well in every single subject but try walking into school with multiple facial piercings, a mowhawk hairstyle, and dressed in a politically taboo (go to www.tshirthell.com and take your pick) T-shirt and a kilt as opposed to normal school uniform and see how quickly you're put in isolation.
Or, like I did, end up with like-minded people.
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Ditto :)
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Not really, the only way to come out of school and not be branded a moron is to conform. You may be more intelligent than Einstien and do fantastically well in every single subject but try walking into school with multiple facial piercings, a mowhawk hairstyle, and dressed in a politically taboo (go to www.tshirthell.com and take your pick) T-shirt and a kilt as opposed to normal school uniform and see how quickly you're put in isolation.
You'd be sent home for multiple reasons and probably scare people. Still anyone that teaches you, is a teacher and you'll find in schools, people generally stick with like-minded people and of course, some schools like mine are RC and thus already has a basic sort of like-'mindedness' and is also a very good quality school(usually 78% get at least 5 GCSE's A-C).
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A good teacher is absolutely essential if you struggle with or flat don't care about the subject, like me with maths. If you like or find a particular subject easy, a 'merely' competent teacher suffices.
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Originally posted by Thunder
Ditto :)
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*Doubts that many here were in the "Let's go **** around cause school's a joke" crowd.*
Was:
- Expelled for last half of final year
- Given well over 100 detentions
- Forcibly brought back to school in order to finish coursework 3 months after deadline
- Isolated for a total of 12 months over the space of 5 years
- Without any recognisable work or homework for the final 2 years
- Constantly swearing at teachers
- Constantly kicking the crap out of supposedly bigger/stronger people
- Stealing teachers mobile phones, stripping the phone-book out and selling the numbers to even more disruptive and psychotic people
I rest my case.
And incidentally, History and Chem were the only lessons where I wasn't a complete bastard.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
You'd be sent home for multiple reasons and probably scare people.
Ah so now we're having to suffer for the irrationality of other people. There's no legitimate reason to suspect that anyone with a mohawk, multiple facial piercings and wearing a miniskirt along with a T Shirt hell shirt is any more likely to be aggressive than anyone else. The people would be "scared" because that person is different. The fact that schools pursue people that don't conform to a conservative dress standard contradicts everything that they supposidly "teach" about not judging people by their appearence.
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I actually semi-knew a girl - well knew her brother mainly - she was about 2(?) years youger than me - who was a goth. not a Goth by yer wearing leather jackets and studded collars level, but just a bit too much black eye-liner.
anyways, she got a bollocking fro that by the school, and was being bullied. About a year ago, she committed suicide as a result. She was a nice enough person, seemed friendlky enough, so it makes it even worse. But it kind of illustrates the dangers of ostracising people because they act differently (lesson #1). It did actually cause a fairly major scandal in Scotland - some people may remember it.
The somewhat disgusting followup is that the newspapers milked the death out of it. Including, about 3 months after her death, publishing her exam results, which can't of helped the parents atall. And also publishing an interview with her borther - who I knew (albeit not that well - i lost touch when he went to Uni) - who talked of being bullied and badly hurt for going to music practice.... something which I never heard of from him, had never heard of happening atall and which may never have happened atall, but been made up by the papers.
So, lesson #2 never trust the newspapers - especially the tabloids.
edit; http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_338664.html
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Ah so now we're having to suffer for the irrationality of other people. There's no legitimate reason to suspect that anyone with a mohawk, multiple facial piercings and wearing a miniskirt along with a T Shirt hell shirt is any more likely to be aggressive than anyone else. The people would be "scared" because that person is different. The fact that schools pursue people that don't conform to a conservative dress standard contradicts everything that they supposidly "teach" about not judging people by their appearence.
No it doesnt, everyone that goes school Must wear the uniform, or practical clothing on trips.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
No it doesnt, everyone that goes school Must wear the uniform, or practical clothing on trips.
Which is a stupid idea in itself. People go to school with the intention of learning the subjects they pick, not to be drilled into compliance. Uniform robs schoolchilderen of individuality and should be scrapped instantly.
The only possible logical need for a school uniform is to protect the less financially fortunate kids from being bulllied for having cheaper cloths, which doesn't work because they just finish up with scruffier school uniforms and get bullied anyway.
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The schools tend to deliberately hold back people who want to move forward quickly, and this is probably what disgusts me the most about them. Close second is the fact that the entire system of grades is completely messed up because the teacher gets to completely determine everything; basically if you have a friendly teacher, you get good grades, and otherwise you do not. (they should just give a national standardized test or something) Next thing is related: the teachers do not really teach much and instead often give completely ridiculous assignments that have no purpose other than to waste time (the english teachers are especially notorious for this), and this time could be better spent doing much more useful things. Also, the credit system required to graduate from high school includes a lot of nonsense. For example, two years foreign language are necessary, and I am told that all of the big universities look for at least three and usually four credits in this. This is just stupid: suppose a guy is going into particle physics, of what use would it be to be able to read ancient latin poetry? :p Then of course we have the required US history and US government classes, which are quite boring IMO compared to the other history or government classes (world, european, etc.), but no, these two are required. :p
Sorry, I rambled on quite a bit there, but I really hate these school procedures. :p
CP: Interesting, I have the same sort of problem myself. Independent learning is not recognised by anyone. How did you start out learning calculus to asymptotic analysis/special functions? Was it totally independent or did you have a mentor of some sort?
I found out about an organization called "The Learning Community," which has several state-based divisions throughout the US; it is technically a registered private school, which would take care of any legal issues, but the enrolled students are pretty much free to do what they want through the school years. I learned the stuff independently by just reading through the appropriate textbooks, and was able to finish around four math courses in about eight months (multivar calc 1/2, diff. equations, real analysis, parts of complex analysis) which I would have taken four years to do when going through school/university systems alone; this I think is just too slow, and the system need to be changed around quite a bit to rectify this. (I am going through something called EPGY, a "distance learning" program run by Stanford U, to get some credits for this) My only regret in this is that I wish I had done this many years ago, as I could have saved a lot of wasted time.
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Originally posted by an0n
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Was:
- Expelled for last half of final year
- Given well over 100 detentions
- Forcibly brought back to school in order to finish coursework 3 months after deadline
- Isolated for a total of 12 months over the space of 5 years
- Without any recognisable work or homework for the final 2 years
- Constantly swearing at teachers
- Constantly kicking the crap out of supposedly bigger/stronger people
- Stealing teachers mobile phones, stripping the phone-book out and selling the numbers to even more disruptive and psychotic people
I rest my case.
And incidentally, History and Chem were the only lessons where I wasn't a complete bastard. [/B]
bah, I could have guessed that.
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Originally posted by Top Gun
Which is a stupid idea in itself. People go to school with the intention of learning the subjects they pick, not to be drilled into compliance. Uniform robs schoolchilderen of individuality and should be scrapped instantly.
The only possible logical need for a school uniform is to protect the less financially fortunate kids from being bulllied for having cheaper cloths, which doesn't work because they just finish up with scruffier school uniforms and get bullied anyway.
:nod: We don't need no stinkin' school uniforms! :p I'm glad I never had to wear such a stupid uniform... Long skirts = YUK!
I love the Dutch educational system when compared to other educational systems! :ha:
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Originally posted by Zeronet
No it doesnt, everyone that goes school Must wear the uniform, or practical clothing on trips.
You guys still have to wear uniforms? How backwards....
I showed up to school with purple hair and immediately found people to hang out with.
That fact that during the next two years we got harrassed by school officials just made things all the funnier.
I was of the opinion that school was often boring but necessary to complete. So I completed it and continued on to university.
Where I showed up first day with green, purple and black hair. ;)
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Originally posted by Shrike
You guys still have to wear uniforms? How backwards....
I showed up to school with purple hair and immediately found people to hang out with.
That fact that during the next two years we got harrassed by school officials just made things all the funnier.
I was of the opinion that school was often boring but necessary to complete. So I completed it and continued on to university.
Where I showed up first day with green, purple and black hair. ;)
Purple hair, would be an extreme in hairstyle and not allowed, the shortest hair i can get away with is a 3 on top and a 2 on the sides. Really the uniform is a good thing, because it prevents people showing off and showing up poorer people who cant afford different clothes everyday and in my experiance it works. Course you can personalise your bag, although i do regret adding the names of various Nu-metal bands to my old one..
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[/quote] Was:Was:Expelled for last half of final year
Given well over 100 detentions
Forcibly brought back to school in order to finish coursework 3 months after deadline
Isolated for a total of 12 months over the space of 5 years
Without any recognisable work or homework for the final 2 years
Constantly swearing at teachers
Constantly kicking the crap out of supposedly bigger/stronger people
Stealing teachers mobile phones, stripping the phone-book out and selling the numbers to even more disruptive and psychotic people
[QOUTE]
wow i think i someone to look up to ;)
everthying cp said
i agree with totally, it seems schools make things longer and harder than they ever need to be to let us "soak up knwoledge" which is bullsh1t. Like people have said, needs to be re-done.
And the english teacher thing, couldn't be ore ture, i think i already said that we are making "personality windows" out of crayons and construction paper. imho that seems even a little to uh wow, so many derogotoritive words i could, how bout' "un educational" ?for even a second grader, much less high school..
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Purple hair, would be an extreme in hairstyle and not allowed, the shortest hair i can get away with is a 3 on top and a 2 on the sides. Really the uniform is a good thing, because it prevents people showing off and showing up poorer people who cant afford different clothes everyday and in my experiance it works. Course you can personalise your bag, although i do regret adding the names of various Nu-metal bands to my old one..
Do you go to a private school? Cause about the only thing disalowed here is swim wear if I recall correctly...
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I go to a Roman Catholic School. You need to be of some christian faith to go or work there. All Highschools in England have uniforms.
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Like I said, how backwards.
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:mad: Its not backwards, my school gets better results than the council highschools.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
:mad: Its not backwards, my school gets better results than the council highschools.
How does that make it not backwards?
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Originally posted by Zeronet
:mad: Its not backwards, my school gets better results than the council highschools.
So? Why does forcing you to not wear 'street clothes' magically make you do better than students who do wear normal clothes?
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On the subject of clothing, I personally don't care what people wear; if they put on all kinds of strange dyed hair, rings everywhere , and whatever else, it just shows that they are stupid enough to care about their physical appearance so much, but that's not my problem. :D Some consider my appearance a bit unusual (sweatshirt and sweatpants, double-layered, gray or green, regardless of weather; hair normal but uncombed, large and thick glasses), but I was not really bullied or anything because of this.
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Originally posted by CP5670
On the subject of clothing, I personally don't care what people wear; if they put on all kinds of strange dyed hair, rings everywhere , and whatever else, it just shows that they are stupid enough to care about their physical appearance so much, but that's not my problem. :D Some consider my appearance a bit unusual (sweatshirt and sweatpants, double-layered, gray or green, regardless of weather; hair normal but uncombed, large and thick glasses), but I was not really bullied or anything because of this.
Some of us actually apply the term 'social' in other than the theoretical sense. :p
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Originally posted by Shrike
Some of us actually apply the term 'social' in other than the theoretical sense. :p
That's cold. But amazingly funny.
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Why thank you.
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Except for a few smirks or comments, nobody cares about what people wear at my school. I have 2 black shirts, 1 light blue shirt, 1 white, shirt, and 1 grey shirt and some dark blue jeans that I wear everyday of the week.(but not in that order)
School is easy as hell, but the credit system is gay. I only lack 2 credits to graduate but the state requires me to stay at school for at least 4 1/2 hrs a day, thus I will graduate with 3 more credits then what I need. :(
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Originally posted by Shrike
So? Why does forcing you to not wear 'street clothes' magically make you do better than students who do wear normal clothes?
There arent any highschool students in Britian that wear normal clothes, everyone has uniforms, to stop the poorer students being mocked. Thats not backward, thats life.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
There arent any students in Britian that wear normal clothers, everyone has uniforms, to stop the poorer students being mocked.
But they should be mocked, the tramp bastards.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
There arent any highschool students in Britian that wear normal clothes, everyone has uniforms, to stop the poorer students being mocked. Thats not backward, thats life.
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Right.
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Guys, take it easy on our somewhat terrible education system, it's true that uniforms are a must for all high-school students but once you get out of that and into college (which is still school to you US types) you can wear what you please.
Although it has to be said that I've yet to encounter anyone who got mocked for the state of their uniform, except perhaps me....
I decided I didn't like the tweed jackets issued by our private school so I wore a knee length black trench coat instead... spent the last year and a half there being told to take it off but never did, heh - such is the power of the system ;)
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But they should be mocked, the tramp bastards.
:nod:
decided I didn't like the tweed jackets issued by our private school so I wore a knee length black trench coat instead... spent the last year and a half there being told to take it off but never did, heh - such is the power of the system
HELL YEAH MAN, hehe i would do the samething cept i same too short, makes it hard to actually dress well at all , i'm like inbetween sizes. it pisses me off.
I have a friend who has the total trenchcoat, black shin high boots, tight leather pants, tight shirt - look goin on
in america it's come to be known as the "Columbine Look"
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Some of us actually apply the term 'social' in other than the theoretical sense. :p
hmm...
copied from webster.com
Main Entry: 1so·cial
Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin socialis, from socius companion, ally, associate; akin to Old English secg man, companion, Latin sequi to follow -- more at SUE
Date: 14th century
1 : involving allies or confederates
2 a : marked by or passed in pleasant companionship with one's friends or associates b : SOCIABLE c : of, relating to, or designed for sociability
3 : of or relating to human society , the interaction of the individual and the group, or the welfare of human beings as members of society
4 a : tending to form cooperative and interdependent relationships with others of one's kind : GREGARIOUS b : living and breeding in more or less organized communities c of a plant : tending to grow in groups or masses so as to form a pure stand
5 a : of, relating to, or based on rank or status in a particular society b : of, relating to, or characteristic of the upper classes c : FORMAL
They all sound more or less theoretical to me; which definition are you referring to?
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talking or interacting with another person besides yourself in person usually.
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Only private schools back where I grew up had uniforms.
Mostly just the catholic schools and stuff like that.
However due to kids own stupidity clothing restrictions became enforced.
"Starter" jackets were all the rage. Expensive sports jackets with your favorite teams on them. Guys would wear them to school, put the (heavy) things in their lockers.
Locker gets busted into by someone else who wants the jacket.
Parents come in demanding the school replace the jacket.
Well guess what, no more starter jackets allowed in school or on the grounds period. Solve that issue.
Then guys started bringing guns to school (at the much larger and ****ed up high school across town that served most of the military kids) And after a bout of that, no backpacks that weren't completely see-through weren't allowed and neither was a jacket that had a liner or inside pockets. They could be brought in, but must be put in your locker. The other high school kept getting worse and worse with gang-related stuff untill finally they had cops there every day at all the exits/entrances and a metal detector at the front door. The ENTIRE student body had to go through that door every morning, however after school they could leave from anywhere. Drug dogs were always on the scene (and they found stuff every week too).
I don't think uniforms would have helped in all those instances, but damn things go downhill quick when kids **** around.
Well, I know about the columbine look.
I was in the navy and when I got out I still had my issued trenchcoat.
Then the columbine shooting happened.
I like to walk around town. Go to the store, alright, why drive, it's a couple blocks, why kill the battery by making it try to start the car twice in the dead of winter when you'll drive for like, 5 minutes? I pull on my sweatshirt and my trench and start walking, rain snow sleet... It's why I kept the thing.
Then I had people trying to jump curbs with their cars, been spit on (and broke my hand going through the guys driver side window after him. What broke the window was pulling him out of it so I could hit him with the other one.) And get harassed by the cops way too many times because 'someone fit my description'
Quote:
Me, talking to a police officer who pulled me over (walking!) for a "roadside interview" while going to get a hotdog and a refill of my 64oz drink for 50 cents from a Circle-K two blocks from my house (why pay more if I don't have to?)
"You mean someone wearing a trenchcoat, carrying an empty circle-k mug and wearing an "I hate barney" shirt was seen two miles away (not even on the road I was on) in an alley jumping through someone's back yard?"
"Yes sir it was."
Then asked me where I lived, where I was going (duh!) asked to see my id...
After making me wait out in a steadily increasing rain for 15 minutes so he can check for warrants or stuff he finally pops out of his car and gives me my stuff back. "Okay sir, you're clear."
"You know officer, this is the fifth time this month I've been given one of these. And before that it was about 2 or three times a month since that damn school shooting. You guys keep bothering me and I'm going to get a lawyer and file charges for harassment."
"Well sir that's up to you. I'm just doing my job."
/quote
But if someone did call that in and I fit the bill, why the hell didn't he take me in for questioning or some ****?
What's really bad is that I still got bugged, though nowhere near as much, and on several occasions I was followed for a mile or so (on my bike).
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Originally posted by Zeronet
There arent any highschool students in Britian that wear normal clothes, everyone has uniforms, to stop the poorer students being mocked. Thats not backward, thats life.
Bollocks! The fact that poorer kids exist is an injustice, but that's a seperate issue.
Poorer kids just end up with scruffier looking uniforms and get mocked anyway.
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Bull plop i tell you! BULL PLOP!
seriously though kit, that really blows. Supposedly, from the media and what your parents tell you, anyone wearing a cool, useful and bloack trench coat is a child molesting, mother f@king, 7-11 jacking, murderous, drug dealing, criminal.
which is just another example of how racist we are as a society.
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Originally posted by an0n
That's cold. But amazingly funny.
Indeed, indeed. :D
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In Aus, we gotta wear uniform but it's not like it's a strict thing. As in, you have to wear the uniform, but shirts out, collars undone, lengths of skirts anywhere from just under the crotch to ankles, ties or no ties, platform shoes, boots, whatever. so long as you kinda look like everyone else. And what about hair! I think the record for one girl was eleven separate clips at once as well as hair ties, bows, etc.
As for the education system!
IT sucks. The whole point is to give you marks for uni. They couldn't care less if you learnt something or not, as long as you can regurgitate a definition and an evaluation (memorised during 'study', of course) during the exam. The only subjects i remotely think have nothing to do with memorisation are english and maybe drama so far- our last two assessments in drama were to do with improvisation, so no memory work. And english, put down any resistant reading you like in big words and you're fine.
okay, that's my rant for now...
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Well i know what i am going to do when i grow up! :D
After i take contro... i mean become president of the Inited States i am going to have Massive educational Reform using uh.. social security funds... :rolleyes: ;)
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Hey, i have this lame english assignment, its easy but i wanted to make mine "the most interesting in the class"
we have to talk for exactly one minute about anything we want... anything.. ;7 ;7
ideas?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Hey, i have this lame english assignment, its easy but i wanted to make mine "the most interesting in the class"
we have to talk for exactly one minute about anything we want... anything.. ;7 ;7
ideas?
we had to do that on the fly in our Humanities class. the teacher would randomly (on days with time left over) pick some person to do a talk on a topic... (random)
I talked about sleep
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ok.. sleep, that is one of the less controversealy insulting-funless topics, but it has its charms...
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Bump
Seriously people... i need some prime beef, its due tommarow 1st period. i need inspiration
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The FS community, the FS mods, Freespace in general...after all, we all know about it pretty well, right?
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math, of course!
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crap i think i am turning into CP, i just did 6 pages of geometry, and almost enjoyed it infact i would have if it weren't for the fact that its like 12 30... hehe funny what a crazy geometry book that i swear wants to kill me and an ICP CD can do mixed with milk, choco cup cakes and 70 degree weather.