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Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 01:08:02 pm
I'm working on a little something on my own time (don't get your hopes up on a release...my HD just died yesterday so I'm starting from scratch..) involving the Terrans, Vasudans, and a 15 or 16 year war (no Shivans). I'm letting the Terrans use Apollos, Valkyries, Athenas, Hercs, and Medusas. I'm debating on whether they should be allowed to use the Ulysses however. I just noticed that the "style" (at least texture/material wise) is very similiar to that of the Valkyrie, and there is very little Vasudan asthetic influence.

Do you think the Terrans could have come up with it by themselves? I'm thinking of tweaking the stats a bit to reflect that they didn't have Vasudan technological help (I'm assuming Vasudan engine tech). If you think they could have come up with it, then what differences, in your opinion, would the original and the pure terran one have?

Off the top of my head I'd have to say something to do with the engines, maybe less power or less afterburner. Also, I'd imagine it would carry slightly heavier armor since there were no shields (180hp compared to the Apollo 240 and the Valk 200).

Discuss.:)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Kie99 on March 13, 2005, 01:10:23 pm
Terran fighter design tends to be heavier than Vasudan equivalents.

Also you should know that the GTA were working on a shielding system.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 01:17:53 pm
I've heard that they were working on shield tech, something about a Ross 128 deflector array, but I can't find canon info on it. Just out of curiosity, do you know where you heard it?

I guess I could give the Ulysses heavier armor and make it less maneuvarable.

EDIT: The MOD takes place several years after 2335 (long enough for my to justify new weapons technology, maybe around or slightly before 2340 or something). It might be believable to "delay" the release of the Ulysses, citing something about it being in development in 2335 but failing due to insufficient technology levels. Revamped and released after several years of technological advances.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: phreak on March 13, 2005, 01:28:23 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Solatar
I've heard that they were working on shield tech, something about a Ross 128 deflector array, but I can't find canon info on it. Just out of curiosity, do you know where you heard it?


MX50 tech description in FS1
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 01:30:15 pm
hmm...thanks, might try to incorporate that.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: aldo_14 on March 13, 2005, 01:31:00 pm
IIRC the Ulysses was actually the first Terran fighter designed for the game, and they changed it to a hybrid because the later ships looked too different.  I would be hesitant to use the Ulysses, though; I'm not sure including would be worth the inevitable complaints over it being a hybrid ship, and I'm not sure how much benefit adding it would be of.

Oh, and the deflector shield array at Ross 128 is mentioned IIRC in the techroom data for the MX-50 missile ('tests against the deflector array at Ross 128' or similar phrase).
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 01:36:53 pm
Yeah, I think it was the first ship to be designed.

I think I'm opting for the hybrid part of the Ulysses being in internal technology. After all, the Interceptor is nice and Terran metal looking. The Thoth is also a hybrid, but it doesn't look anything like anything a Terran would put into it.

In fact, as previously stated, the Ulysses looks like it carries the same kind of armor as the Valkyrie. I'm gonna have to work out a pretty weird tech description if I do use it though...

Anybody have any thoughts on other designs? The Zeus or the Ursa? I think the Ursa would have been in development for a while, but you never know.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 13, 2005, 01:43:00 pm
Changing the color of the hull would go a long way towards making it look like a pure-terran design.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Andreas on March 13, 2005, 01:56:11 pm
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Changing the color of the hull would go a long way towards making it look like a pure-terran design.

Umm...but doesn't that make it a little bit cheap, then? :p

Wasn't the GTF Ulysses a Terran-Vasudan joint effort? The GTA propably wouldn't have built something like it if the T-V war would have been raging on for years after 2335, I mean, they already have the brand-new Valkyrie, which does what Ulysses is supposed to do, only hell of a lot better.

Anyways, Terrans were close to completing the Avenger cannon before the Shivans appeared in 2335, as well as the shield system, so really, the war would have been over for the Vasudans quite soon after that, unless they would have developed their own tech by reverse-engineering Terrans designs, which propably wouldn't be such an easy task.

Just my two (GTA) cents. :o
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Nuke on March 13, 2005, 01:58:01 pm
(http://www.game-warden.com/nukemod-cos/Images/batoutofhell.jpg)
 :thepimp:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: aldo_14 on March 13, 2005, 02:14:31 pm
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Originally posted by Solatar
Yeah, I think it was the first ship to be designed.

I think I'm opting for the hybrid part of the Ulysses being in internal technology. After all, the Interceptor is nice and Terran metal looking. The Thoth is also a hybrid, but it doesn't look anything like anything a Terran would put into it.

In fact, as previously stated, the Ulysses looks like it carries the same kind of armor as the Valkyrie. I'm gonna have to work out a pretty weird tech description if I do use it though...

Anybody have any thoughts on other designs? The Zeus or the Ursa? I think the Ursa would have been in development for a while, but you never know.


Well... if anything, I'd suggest stating it was made as a result of working with captured Vasudan craft (the Vasudans have better reactors IIRc; that'd be a good reason for copying them) - you'd still have the hybrid aspect, but it'd be explained as such and you wouldn't have to worry about people nit-picking the design as being too 'T-V' or anything.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Fergus on March 13, 2005, 02:20:56 pm
I think they would have had the Ulysses in development, think of the times that other aircraft, boats, planes, cars, houses..anything really have been in development.  And IIRC the Great War didn't exactly last very long, most likely the Vasudan assistance to fighter R&D would have been in refining certain sections of the figher (reactor I would assume).
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Black Wolf on March 13, 2005, 02:22:36 pm
Play with the Texs a little bit and it should be fine. Especially if you introduce it as a significant ship rather than just plonking it into the available ships pool - get the backstory out there quite clearly and nobody should mind.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 02:25:17 pm
The tech description I've got so far says that in 2335 spies carrying Vasudan reactor technology were killed, so the Ulysses project was put on a back burner of sorts. Two or three years afterwards, sufficient technology was obtained to continue the Ulysses project and eventually finish it.

Currently working on making it have a color scheme similiar to the Medusa, but I'm not sure how I like it.

EDIT: Definantly planning on it having a nice role in something (not sure what yet...but something).
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 13, 2005, 02:55:13 pm
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Originally posted by Ai No Koriida

Umm...but doesn't that make it a little bit cheap, then? :p

Wasn't the GTF Ulysses a Terran-Vasudan joint effort? The GTA propably wouldn't have built something like it if the T-V war would have been raging on for years after 2335, I mean, they already have the brand-new Valkyrie, which does what Ulysses is supposed to do, only hell of a lot better.

Anyways, Terrans were close to completing the Avenger cannon before the Shivans appeared in 2335, as well as the shield system, so really, the war would have been over for the Vasudans quite soon after that, unless they would have developed their own tech by reverse-engineering Terrans designs, which propably wouldn't be such an easy task.

Just my two (GTA) cents. :o


I've gotten the impression that the Valkyrie is meant for fast intercept - ie shooting down bombs, missiles, and bombers - while the Ulysses is more for outmaneuvering other fighters and destroying them.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 03:02:39 pm
Valkyrie = intercept missions against bombers and heavy fighters (when the Valk takes damage, it can run away. But it also can run the enemies down)
Ulysses = blow up fighters, "hit me if you can".
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: aldo_14 on March 13, 2005, 04:01:21 pm
The Valk is an interceptor
(IMO; this means it's fast - built off a scout fighter - lightly armoured, average weaponry, designed to chase down bombers and take them out with guided weaponry)

The Ulysses is a space superiority fighter (I think it's design changes in FS2, though; IIRC it's a space sup in FS1 and the assualt fighter is the Herc)
(IMO; this means it's average, but focuses on armour and maneuverability over speed - it also carries a wider range of guided and unguided missiles - and is designed to attack any other kind of fighter, particularly interceptors which threaten allied bombers)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Charismatic on March 13, 2005, 04:14:39 pm
Well iv never thought of the Ulysses as any kind of a 'good' or 'usefull' fighter, only because of its loadout is major sucky. If it had, as you said, better terran design, or color, and a little bit more loadout, i think it be a great improvement. I perfer to take more weapons, then faster speed; i dont choose to hit and run when damaged..
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: aldo_14 on March 13, 2005, 04:24:15 pm
Well.... you do realise that a) you can change your loadout and b) there are other ships to choose (the Ulysses is the way it is to balance out the other fighters strengths and weaknesses)

After all, a fighter is only as good as its pilot.......
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: kv1at3485 on March 13, 2005, 04:34:57 pm
Loadout on the Ulysses is fine when you think about the ship it's supposed to be going after: Dragons.

For anything else, take a Herc.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Charismatic on March 13, 2005, 04:50:53 pm
Yes i do realise i can change loadout, but never used it to go after dragons.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Andreas on March 13, 2005, 05:08:18 pm
Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon


I've gotten the impression that the Valkyrie is meant for fast intercept - ie shooting down bombs, missiles, and bombers - while the Ulysses is more for outmaneuvering other fighters and destroying them.

Yes, quite true. But I never really found any use for Ulysses myself, so that was just my biased opinion.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Nuke on March 13, 2005, 05:15:33 pm
i perfer ultrafast, ultra manuverable fighters with really high damp factors. makes for some seriously fast gameplay.  the hellbat i posted is abit faster and slightly more manuverable than the original. but its still the 3rd fastest, and manuverable ship in the nukemod beta :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 13, 2005, 05:29:40 pm
There IS a mod out there for a completely Terran Ulysses out there. i think it's at VWA.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 13, 2005, 06:03:15 pm
Yeah, I think I remember that, but I'd prefer to make my own new skin and matching .tbl.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Goober5000 on March 14, 2005, 04:24:16 pm
If someone's already done it, why waste the effort?

http://archives.volitionwatch.com/fs1/mods/models.php3
(it's the GTIF Centurion)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 04:25:04 pm
AAAHHHH! Quit stealing my posts! :mad:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Goober5000 on March 14, 2005, 04:33:52 pm
:wtf:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 04:35:44 pm
i was gonna post that, but you posted it before i did. :rolleyes:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: aldo_14 on March 14, 2005, 04:58:13 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
If someone's already done it, why waste the effort?

http://archives.volitionwatch.com/fs1/mods/models.php3
(it's the GTIF Centurion)


It's really just a grey-scale job, though.  I never think those look right, IMO you need subtle grey-blue and similar tones to get something looking 'naturally' grey.  That and rust/scratch/surface damage marks (in 3 colours).
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 14, 2005, 05:33:28 pm
It looks pretty good, but I think there's room for improvement.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Bobboau on March 14, 2005, 07:04:10 pm
I made a reskin a LONG time ago, called it the Odysseus. it was suposed to be more of a shivan tech testbed IIRC, but it could quite easily pass as a terran only Ulysses
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 14, 2005, 07:20:30 pm
I'm trying to either match Hercish colors or Medusaish colors, not a simple greyscale job.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 14, 2005, 10:42:15 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Ai No Koriida
I never really found any use for Ulysses myself


Ditto. I've never liked it. It's too maneuverable for me. I like the Thoth, and the Serapis.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 11:07:15 pm
The Serapis sucks in comparison to the Horus.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 14, 2005, 11:22:56 pm
They're not in the same categroy, IMO. The Horus is a true intercept, whereas the Serapis is more of a space superiority.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on March 14, 2005, 11:24:44 pm
i blew up the lucy in uly.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 11:24:44 pm
ADVANCED Space Superiority. But still... :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 11:26:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
i blew up the lucy in uly.


me too. first time i played that mission. :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 14, 2005, 11:29:41 pm
I was in an Ursa in that mission... IIRC. Because the control freak in me knew the AI would mess up.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 11:35:11 pm
:nod: did that the 2nd time. :D Dad found me playing that mission and told me to use the ursa. :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Goober5000 on March 14, 2005, 11:39:19 pm
My roommate blew up the Lucifer in a Valkyrie.  But he did it in "Running the Gauntlet". ;)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 11:48:04 pm
:lol: a valk...
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: FireCrack on March 15, 2005, 12:19:11 am
I blew up the lucy in an apollo.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 15, 2005, 02:52:58 am
The Ulysses hovers on the line between sacrificing armor for manuverablity and weapons that the Serapis ended up overshooting. I personally find it easier to use the a Herc due to its gun placement. If a mission gives me trouble, though, I'll resort to a Herc for sheer durablity value, but because of the awkward way the Herc's second set of guns is placed my kills drop.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 11:20:02 am
I don't have any problems with it. the Herc is my fav fighter, and if it's yours, learn to use the guns properly. ;)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Mongoose on March 15, 2005, 12:39:20 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
I was in an Ursa in that mission... IIRC. Because the control freak in me knew the AI would mess up.

Really?  I've never had any problems with the AI in that mission; they tend to kick Lucifer @$$ pretty consistently.  I just stuck with the default Herc loadout; can't go wrong with quads. :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Mad Bomber on March 15, 2005, 05:04:44 pm
Quote
Originally posted by kv1at3485
Loadout on the Ulysses is fine when you think about the ship it's supposed to be going after: Dragons.

For anything else, take a Herc.


Bah. Loki with Harpoons for me. :cool: Can't go wrong with the agility or the small size.

Used it all through Homesick -- barely survived the last mission, tho.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 15, 2005, 06:35:55 pm
I like loading up the Herc with either all Banshees or all Prometheus cannons and putting it in 6 gun mode. Nice way to mow down Nephilims.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 07:07:54 pm
the best loudout is Banshees and Prometheus. ;)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 15, 2005, 07:30:35 pm
Avengers and Banshees > *


I never. Ever. use Prometheus. In FS1 or 2...
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 07:45:40 pm
:eek2: Prometheus is one of the best weapons in FS1 AND FS2
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 15, 2005, 07:49:44 pm
Methinks its crap.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 15, 2005, 08:03:14 pm
I'd say an Avenger - Banshee combo would be pretty deadly as well.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 08:12:44 pm
Now the avenger sucks. so does the ML-16 :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 15, 2005, 08:55:14 pm
Well, this is coming from the guy who blamed the AI for stealing every one of his kills in our multi matches....
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 15, 2005, 09:24:57 pm
I think the Avenger has a cool sound effect.:nervous:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 09:29:46 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Well, this is coming from the guy who blamed the AI for stealing every one of his kills in our multi matches....


ah, shuddup. :D

Solatar: that's the only reason i actually liked the avenger.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 15, 2005, 11:42:24 pm
The Avenger is almost the same as the Subach, table-wise, isn't it?
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 11:48:45 pm
lemme check... well i'll be damned. the avenger is more powerful, but with a .05 second slower fire wait.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Col. Fishguts on March 16, 2005, 06:40:05 am
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Avengers and Banshees > *


I never. Ever. use Prometheus. In FS1 or 2...


Prometheus is a jack-of-all-trades type weapon. It has good overall stats.

Personally I prefer the Herc fully loaded with 6 Banshees. They suck up your energy reserves in no time, but I never was the type to spray the battlefield with gunfire, I prefer to aim carefully and make every shot count.
Nothing beats the satifaction when you nail a Manticore that's just barely in weapons range with a single pull of the trigger :nod:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 02:30:18 pm
heh, bagged a dragon with 2 shots and a prometheus loadout. :D

time to stop hijacking teh thread...
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Kie99 on March 16, 2005, 02:44:16 pm
I think we can all agree on one thing though.  The prometheus R is a steaming pile of horse-crap

EDIT: Look at Cobra's post count:

Registered: Nov 2004 | Posts: 1337
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 03:10:26 pm
yeah, and?
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Flipside on March 16, 2005, 04:11:25 pm
That HellBat looks like a Cylon ;)

Ulys tend to be good at tying up enemy fighters/bombers. Even if they don't have finishing power, a squadron of Ulysses can be a severe headache for defence fighters etc.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 04:18:11 pm
especially for heavy attack fighters and Dragons ;)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Mad Bomber on March 16, 2005, 04:25:27 pm
Avengers are actually better at hull damage than Prometheus O or R, in terms of damage-per-second. I prefer the Avenger.

(The S-variant owns, but it's an apples-and-oranges thing, since the S is 2367 tech and the other two came much earlier.)

Avenger
Pros: Good fire rate (0.25), good hull damage, small energy usage
Cons: Mediocre shield damage

Prom O
Pros: Good hull and shield damage
Cons: Mediocre fire rate (0.3)

Prom R
Pros: Slightly better shield damage than Prom O, with 300m more range
Cons: More energy usage, poor fire rate (0.40).

Banshee
Pros: Insane shield damage, good hull damage
Cons: High energy usage, poor fire rate (0.40), poor compatibility.


Oh, sorry. The Prom R I describe is from my TBLs, not the craptacular one that most people insist on not balancing. :p;)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Kie99 on March 16, 2005, 04:39:41 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
yeah, and?


Oh it doesn't matter.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 05:24:15 pm
heh...
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: FireCrack on March 16, 2005, 05:36:28 pm
what about kaysers? Nothing like an erynies with dual banks of kaysers!
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 05:49:23 pm
kaysers r00l.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Kie99 on March 16, 2005, 05:50:23 pm
I think everyne knows my perfect ship and loadout.

Ares
2 Maxim, 4 Kaysers
72 Tornadoes, 13 Trebuchets

Firecrack, the erinyes can't generate the energy to use that loadout, unless you play on Very Easy.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 16, 2005, 05:51:30 pm
In my experience, Ulysses last longer than most other fighters when flown by the AI.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 05:52:17 pm
:nod: yep. weird, ain't it? :D
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 16, 2005, 10:49:53 pm
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
Firecrack, the erinyes can't generate the energy to use that loadout, unless you play on Very Easy.


Sure it can. Learn to conserve your energy. You can fire a few full volleys in a row, and that's good enough for killing fighters and bombers.

My favorite weapon so far, though, is from Into the Depths of Hell. The Malcifer fires slow-moving shots, so they need a lot of lead, and the individual shots aren't all that great, but that thing's rate of fire will let you rip through a Seraphim in an eyeblink.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Inquisitor on March 16, 2005, 11:25:50 pm
The Uly was my favorite ship in FS1, bar none.

I was very sad it wasn't worth much in FS2 :(

Drive by post, sorry :)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 11:30:13 pm
finally, another FS1 ulysses lover! THANK YOU GOD!!!

yeah, it rocked in FS1.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 16, 2005, 11:38:58 pm
Cobra, you really needn't post after everyone else.
Seriously, if you don't have anything valuable to add, don't.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Bobboau on March 16, 2005, 11:41:29 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Solatar
I'm trying to either match Hercish colors or Medusaish colors, not a simple greyscale job.


umm, did I say I made a simple grey scale job?
no, I said a reskin. wich means new(ish) textures. now granted by todays standards it isn't that great, but back in the day it was prety good.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 11:42:17 pm
:sigh:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: MicroPsycho on March 19, 2005, 02:00:50 pm
Ulysses- best FS1 ship.
Perseus- best FS2 ship.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 19, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau


umm, did I say I made a simple grey scale job?
no, I said a reskin. wich means new(ish) textures. now granted by todays standards it isn't that great, but back in the day it was prety good.


I seem to remember seeing a reskinned "pure terran" Ulysses that was little more than a greyscaled texture. I'm not saying it's bad at all, in fact I think I had it installed a while back and liked it.

I'm still doubtful that I'll even use the Ulysses at all though.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Kie99 on March 19, 2005, 03:42:37 pm
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Originally posted by MicroPsycho
Ulysses- best FS1 ship.
Perseus- best FS2 ship.
[/B]


For me

Hercules = Best FS1 Ship
Ares = Best FS2 Ship


I'm a sucker for firepower.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: MicroPsycho on March 19, 2005, 05:08:26 pm
so its a competition now?
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Kie99 on March 19, 2005, 05:24:38 pm
No, calm down, its only my opinion.
As for the Ulysses I think including it would be silly because its Hull shape looks Vasudan influenced, as well as the textures.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 19, 2005, 06:10:46 pm
The textures are very similiar to the Valkyrie IMO.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 19, 2005, 08:21:07 pm
the HERC textures look the same as the Valkyrie. ;)
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Solatar on March 19, 2005, 08:43:06 pm
I meant colorscheme wise as well.
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 19, 2005, 08:44:19 pm
:wtf: now you lost me...
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Taristin on March 19, 2005, 08:51:45 pm
Umm.. the herc has the same little details as the valk, is that what you're trying to say, Cobra?
Because solatar's saying the actual colour of the plating is more similar to the Valkyrie on the Uly than the herc.


Why you can't determine that on your own, though.... :rolleyes:

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Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: Cobra on March 19, 2005, 08:54:18 pm
no, the texture color. :nervous:
Title: GTF Ulysses without Vasudan tech?
Post by: MicroPsycho on March 20, 2005, 10:41:31 am
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
No, calm down, its only my opinion.
As for the Ulysses I think including it would be silly because its Hull shape looks Vasudan influenced, as well as the textures.


Dude, I'm joking