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Title: To tide over the seething masses
Post by: Ace on July 22, 2005, 05:05:18 am
(http://www.savant-online.net/graphics/bwo/weapon_hammerhead.png)

The Hammerhead. Speculate.
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Post by: Silent Warrior on July 22, 2005, 09:29:22 am
That's the... ugliest missile I've ever seen!
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Post by: Goober5000 on July 22, 2005, 10:45:41 am
It must be a tactical weapon.

It flies over to enemy fighters and goes :hammer: until they get so frazzled they don't know friend from foe. :p
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Post by: Mongoose on July 22, 2005, 11:13:20 am
Looks like 'splosion time! :p
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Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2005, 01:52:25 pm
I sincerely hope that that is a prank.
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Post by: achtung on July 22, 2005, 02:01:23 pm
It needs a :hammer: insignia on it.:D
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Post by: Blaise Russel on July 22, 2005, 02:24:22 pm
World's first propellor-driven bomb?
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Post by: StratComm on July 22, 2005, 02:45:04 pm
In space! :p

Seriously though, it's extremely unorthodox but it's growing on me.

EDIT: Why are the edit and reply boxes so narrow in here?
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Post by: Taristin on July 22, 2005, 02:51:02 pm
I don't even see how a vessel could fire one of those...
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Post by: Ace on July 22, 2005, 04:33:17 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
I don't even see how a vessel could fire one of those...


The warhead cylinder and "wings" expand out. The extra space is needed in the warhead for the binary weapon to properly react.
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Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 23, 2005, 03:38:28 am
My guess is that it's like the Cluster Bomb, but rather than launch like 12 mini-hornets, it'll launch like 2 Interceptors . . . or whatever the missile's called in FS2 (I forget).
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Post by: BlackDove on July 23, 2005, 05:33:17 am
Fish.
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Post by: Moonsword on July 23, 2005, 06:56:41 pm
Binary weapon...?  React...?  That brings to mind one thing: boom.  Big ****ing boom.

As for the appearance, it looks like you kitbashed a crouquet mallet and a Harpoon missile.
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Post by: Trivial Psychic on July 23, 2005, 10:59:43 pm
Each of the two cylinders contain some kind of reactants, which must be slammed together at high speed in order to detonate.  A micro-second prior to target impact, those 2 reactants are fired towards each other, causing a massive explosion when they touch each other.  Recall "Little Boy", which required 2 pieces of enriched Uranium to be slammed together at high speed to detonate.  Granted, the uranium was fired lengthwise, down the internal of the bomb cylinder, but you get the idea.
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Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 23, 2005, 11:48:51 pm
If two elements had to be slammed into one another, you could just half them at opposing points in a cyclinder. Like:

(Nose-Stuff1-Space-Stuff2-Fuel-Engine<

You don't need to have some complicated, spring out mechanism.
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Post by: Pnakotus on July 24, 2005, 12:12:49 am
I bet it needs to be in that configuration to ... erm... direct the energy of the explosion.  Yeah, thats it... :nod:
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Post by: Kosh on July 24, 2005, 02:24:00 am
I think it's a Terran weapon.
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Post by: Ace on July 27, 2005, 01:34:43 am
Ahh... but what flavor of Terran?
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Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 27, 2005, 02:21:59 am
I hope it's lemon merangue, I love lemon merangue (too bad I probably can't spell it worth a damn eh?)
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Post by: IPAndrews on July 27, 2005, 07:37:21 am
For the record: I am neither seething, nor a mass. Oh and the missile looks like that silly ship from Battle Beyond the Stars.
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Post by: Getter Robo G on July 27, 2005, 12:23:45 pm
I blame the Vasudans! (this means war :P)
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Post by: redsniper on July 27, 2005, 01:20:43 pm
I want to say it's an EA weapon, but I think only the GTVA could make something so retarded looking
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Post by: Ace on July 27, 2005, 04:54:05 pm
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Originally posted by IPAndrews
Oh and the missile looks like that silly ship from Battle Beyond the Stars.


Fire the Stellar Converter!

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Originally posted by redsniper
I want to say it's an EA weapon...


This isn't Inferno, this is BWO.
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Post by: Kosh on July 27, 2005, 09:32:15 pm
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Originally posted by Ace
Ahh... but what flavor of Terran?



If it's a binary weapon, then it is either an anti-capship bomb, or an nasty anti-fighter missle.
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Post by: StratComm on July 28, 2005, 11:41:24 am
I'm going out on a limb here, but since you're using a GTVA briefing for the missile  I'm guessing it's GTVA Terran.  Besides, it's not green enough to be Sol.
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Post by: Solatar on August 02, 2005, 10:38:46 pm
Maybe it's some sort of player detonated meson bomb. Like the Infyrno, but with a huge meson explosion?
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Post by: Pnakotus on August 03, 2005, 12:38:52 am
Well it's a binary explosive, so it's a chemical reaction.  A phlegm warhead? :)
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Post by: NGTM-1R on August 03, 2005, 04:09:02 am
I'd love a player-detonated meson bomb...MUST HACK TABLES! *runs off to do so*

*blows himself up many, many times*
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Post by: Ace on August 03, 2005, 04:54:33 pm
There's plenty of meson bombs in BWO, but this isn't one.
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Post by: Taristin on August 03, 2005, 05:12:27 pm
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Originally posted by Pnakotus
A phlegm warhead? :)



Eeew... :ick:
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on August 03, 2005, 05:27:37 pm
Its a Heatseeker. That, or a Subsystem Disruption/EMP type weapon.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 04, 2005, 02:28:37 am
here is a hint, if you hit something in mid air with a big fucking mallot, what happens to it?

I'd say goob is the closest so far.
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Post by: Ace on August 04, 2005, 03:08:44 am
Another hint:
The Sol "Erinyes" needs to use these in order to get you right where it wants you ;)
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on August 04, 2005, 03:15:48 am
Something that goes boom in a formation of enemy fighters and somehow (creates a small black hole/emmits a web of glue/creates a dense cloud of "stuff") slows them down/holds them in place/or just generally does weird **** to them ?
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Post by: NGTM-1R on August 04, 2005, 03:25:05 am
It knocks you. Tactical weapon, like the Flail and Mace.
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Post by: Taristin on August 04, 2005, 08:56:58 am
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Originally posted by Bobboau

I'd say goob is the closest so far.


probably because he can route through your internal!
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Post by: BlueFlames on August 04, 2005, 02:16:53 pm
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The Sol "Erinyes" needs to use these in order to get you right where it wants you

It seduces you into selling your soul to the--  Oh...  Not that kind of Erinyes...

Given Bobboau's hint, it sounds like the Sol-Terran's version of the Trebuchet.  Earthlings need fish too, right?

Given Ace's hint, it sounds like it kicks the crap out of your shields and subsystems, possibly carrying an EMP effect to go with the damage.  That would leave you disoriented and vulnerable to primary fire, especially if it knocks out your engines or weapons.  This could be fun, as long as I remember not to catch myself in the blast (kind of why I don't carry EMP weapons much to begin with).
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Post by: Goober5000 on August 04, 2005, 02:37:22 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
probably because he can route through your internal!
I didn't look in the internal before posting that comment.  I still can't find any mention of it in the internal. :p
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Post by: Roanoke on August 04, 2005, 04:35:33 pm
Is like the Ramming Frigate from Homweworld:Cataclysm (ie, rams a hostile and pushes 'em away) ?
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Post by: Taristin on August 04, 2005, 05:10:26 pm
I bet it has absolutely nothing to do with the campaign, and is only a bit of misinformation.
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Post by: Boomer on August 08, 2005, 12:01:21 am
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Recall "Little Boy", which required 2 pieces of enriched Uranium to be slammed together at high speed to detonate.


[history lesson] Actually, I'm pretty sure Little Boy was a Gun type Fission bomb that started the Chain reaction by using a radioactive cesium or strontium isotope to produce the necessary neutrons to start the runaway Fission reaction of the nearly critical nuclear core.  

Fat Man was of the implosion type where a shaped explosive charge blows 2 non-critical masses of nuclear material into a critical mass which then goes boom.[/history lesson]

As for the missile, not an anti-capship bomb, but, maybe a tactical weapon.  And that weapon has to be Vasudan.

They wuv fishies.

(and Headz,:headz: )
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Post by: BlueFlames on August 08, 2005, 01:42:20 am
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[history lesson] Actually, I'm pretty sure Little Boy was a Gun type Fission bomb that started the Chain reaction by using a radioactive cesium or strontium isotope to produce the necessary neutrons to start the runaway Fission reaction of the nearly critical nuclear core.

Fat Man was of the implosion type where a shaped explosive charge blows 2 non-critical masses of nuclear material into a critical mass which then goes boom.[/history lesson]

You've lost speaking privileges.  Why?

0)  You're trying to talk Physics, for starters, not history.  The history is that bombs were made, and they made some scary-big explosions.  The Physics, you just got entirely wrong.

1)  In the fission reaction in both of the atomic bombs, Uranium 235 breaks down into radioactive isotopes of Strontium and Cesium.  They don't do much of anything when you collide them together, besides creating a larger blob of gamma-emitting crap.

2)  A gun-type bomb operates by ramming two non-critical masses of fissionable material together.  One mass is a blob in the middle of the bomb, and one mass is a smaller bullet with an explosive charge to propel it.  Ram the two pieces together, and you get your chain reaction.

3)  An implosion-type bomb is much trickier.  Again, you have a non-critical mass at the center of the bomb, and a buffer around it.  Outside the buffer is a layer of the same fissionable material surrounded by a layer of explosive.  When the explosive goes off, the outer layer slams into the inner core, causing a similar reaction as the gun-type bomb, except that it is faster and more completely uses up the fissionable component of the bomb.

I've lived Oak Ridge for eleven years, been to Y-12 on the odd occasion, and I'm going on to the third year of my Physics bachelors.  This stuff is so engrained in my being, that typing the above corrections was a reflex.

*Ahem*  More to the point of the thread, how's about we stop (some of) the speculation and see some screenshots, Ace?
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Post by: Anaz on August 09, 2005, 02:38:42 pm
That's kind of a cool idea with the gravity bomb. A missile with a large blast radius and a rather large negative "push" factor so that fighters close to each other would get drawn into a big "clump" and be easy targets for things like fish.
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Post by: Gregster2k on August 23, 2005, 12:44:26 am
That reminds me of...

*Recalls Spaceballs*

"Radar...about to be...JAMMED"

*jar of raspberry jam hits radar dish and splatters*
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Post by: IceFire on August 24, 2005, 09:55:28 pm
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Originally posted by High Max
I noticed that the BWO team has locked up quite a few topics on the BWO forum. :D

Lies!  There is no BWO forum!

Propoganda.
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Post by: aldo_14 on August 27, 2005, 07:40:26 pm
VX Gas?
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Post by: Ace on August 28, 2005, 10:57:49 pm
There is no BWO forum. There are no American tanks in Iraq.
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Post by: Genoism on August 30, 2005, 03:25:10 am
this is clearly a catfish eater
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Post by: Kosh on August 31, 2005, 03:55:40 am
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Originally posted by High Max
I noticed that the BWO team has locked up quite a few topics on the BWO forum. :D



The natives are definately getting restless.


I guess it is because it has been going for such a long time and people know that Chapter 1 has been complete, yet not released.
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Post by: BlackDove on August 31, 2005, 04:03:07 am
We have a Chapter 1?

News to me.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 31, 2005, 04:07:05 am
there's three parts, the first part (and second part afaik) are basicly done, we aren't going for a chapter release though, were getting it totaly done, then releaseing.
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Post by: Depth_Charge on August 31, 2005, 10:10:04 am
so whats left of part 3, since part 1 & 2 is complete, or thats non of my business to know, til its release????
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Post by: Ace on August 31, 2005, 12:37:31 pm
It will be done when it's done.

Some missions take a lot of time to test. Others are practically approved during the first pass.

After we're through with Ep 3 and the mods, we'll do a final runthrough with the assembled mods.
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Post by: BlackDove on August 31, 2005, 03:37:33 pm
Yes.

It will take a while

[size=999]BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!![/size]
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on August 31, 2005, 04:14:39 pm
*Holds tricorder over BWO homepage*

"Estimated days left to release: Somewhere between 1 and aleph-1"
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Post by: Hellraiser on September 01, 2005, 02:04:56 am
Well, i am hoping the FSOpen part doesn't cause any havoc with me, which it does alot. :/

I guess i will see when its all done.
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Post by: tommy185 on September 02, 2005, 02:36:22 am
:p  You gays are doing gread. :yes: I hope the BWO will launch soon. :wakka:
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Post by: Janos on September 02, 2005, 11:44:33 am
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Originally posted by tommy185
:p  You gays are doing gread. :yes: I hope the BWO will launch soon. :wakka:


lol wtf
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Post by: IceFire on September 02, 2005, 06:10:27 pm
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Originally posted by Ace
It will be done when it's done.

Some missions take a lot of time to test. Others are practically approved during the first pass.

After we're through with Ep 3 and the mods, we'll do a final runthrough with the assembled mods.

And Ep3 was mostly built by me so it'll take a bit longer :D
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Post by: Goober5000 on September 03, 2005, 12:46:41 am
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Originally posted by tommy185
:p  You gays are doing gread. :yes: I hope the BWO will launch soon. :wakka:
:lol:
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Post by: Getter Robo G on September 04, 2005, 11:55:54 pm
No voice acting for you! :D

BTW, are roles set or will you be casting people still?
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Post by: Azrael15 on September 05, 2005, 03:48:50 am
I hope they're still casting... I'd be glad to throw my voice into this...
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Post by: BlackDove on September 05, 2005, 05:17:38 pm
We haven't even started casting.

When we do, it'll be all over the forums.
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Post by: Cooked Salmon on September 05, 2005, 10:12:42 pm
Excellent.  I wouldn't mind lending my voice for such a great cause.  You guys will post instructions on how to send over the files and what format to record with, right?
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Post by: IceFire on September 05, 2005, 10:36:06 pm
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Originally posted by Cooked Salmon
Excellent.  I wouldn't mind lending my voice for such a great cause.  You guys will post instructions on how to send over the files and what format to record with, right?

As they say in Russia: Da!
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Post by: BlackDove on September 06, 2005, 09:13:46 am
I already prepared the format and layout for the request.

I'll post it when we're ready for it.
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Post by: Ace on September 06, 2005, 09:45:53 pm
When we're ready.
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Post by: Turnsky on September 06, 2005, 09:52:29 pm
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Originally posted by Ace
When we're ready.


these guys oughta work for 3drealms. ;)
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Post by: Ace on September 08, 2005, 07:06:20 pm
Unlike Duke Nukem Forever, we're making progress ;)
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Post by: BlackDove on September 08, 2005, 07:11:53 pm
Actually, we're finished.

We're just keeping it from you to fuel our sadistic needs.
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Post by: Turnsky on September 08, 2005, 11:27:55 pm
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Actually, we're finished.

We're just keeping it from you to fuel our sadistic needs.


Not entirely surprising.;)
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Post by: Cooked Salmon on September 12, 2005, 08:06:43 pm
So....any new screenies?  Maybe from one of the finished episode I missions?
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Post by: Turnsky on September 12, 2005, 08:08:31 pm
you guys do realise that when you release this, i'll be taking a break from my comic in order to play this obsessively. :p
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Post by: IceFire on September 13, 2005, 05:30:56 pm
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Originally posted by High Max
It was originally planned but never started which means no seeing the Golgothas in action against the Shivans.

You mean Paradigm Shift?  No Golgothas there....
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Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 06:42:10 pm
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Originally posted by Cooked Salmon
So....any new screenies?  Maybe from one of the finished episode I missions?


Seriously, if we gave you any now, it would be like lying straight to your face.
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Post by: IceFire on September 13, 2005, 10:26:34 pm
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Originally posted by High Max
Why no Golgathas in Paradigm Shift? Obsolete in that time period and as a result, replaced with something else? Also, when was that campaign supposed to take place?

I forget...but I think it was 50 or 100 years after BWO.

The standard GTVA destroyer had essentially a meson cannon, although it was no big deal anymore, and the Terran and Vasudan fleets were essentially integrated into one.

So most ships were marked GTVF and GTVB and so on.

Pretty much all ships emphasized a sort of integrated set of strenghts and weaknesses so a smaller lighter fighter had other advantages like speed and manueverability.  Certain ships wouldn't turn well but roll and pitch well.  You know...

Anyways...nothing really groundbreaking but a nice bit of fiction that I wrote for that interms of background story.

The Shivans were pretty awesome too.  Basically the GTVA could fight them nearly even for technology in most ways...but in numbers and in strategy they were essentially outmatched.
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Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 10:29:02 pm
Send me the file already :p
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Post by: IceFire on September 13, 2005, 10:44:57 pm
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Send me the file already :p

Oh ****...I totally forgot :)

I found it too!
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Post by: BlackDove on September 13, 2005, 10:47:29 pm
The PM function is right over there.

*gestures to the upper right part of the screen*
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Post by: IceFire on September 13, 2005, 10:48:00 pm
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Originally posted by BlackDove
The PM function is right over there.

*gestures to the upper right part of the screen*

*gestures to same spot*

:D
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Post by: Ace on September 13, 2005, 10:49:38 pm
Yeah, while with Paradigm Shift the GTVA was pretty powerful you soon learned that no matter what the Shivans are... nasty.

Imagine a Sathanas being the Shivan equivalent of a Faustus... while the Lucifer was an Ursa.
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Post by: Taristin on September 14, 2005, 02:15:27 pm
At which point does a warship stop being a warship and start being a small satelite? :sigh:
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Post by: Cooked Salmon on September 14, 2005, 03:50:30 pm
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Originally posted by BlackDove


Seriously, if we gave you any now, it would be like lying straight to your face.


:wtf: In what way would giving a screenshot from an early mission be lying straight to my face?  I thought the first episode was over and done, so why would that be "lying to my face"?

Don't get me wrong, if you guys really don't want to reveal anything else, I truly understand, even though I might not like it.  But next time, try to give me a response with meaning.:rolleyes:
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Post by: Ace on September 14, 2005, 06:26:11 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
At which point does a warship stop being a warship and start being a small satelite? :sigh:


The real question is at what point does a "dirigible planet" become a "dyson grid?" ;)

Also what BD means is that current screens don't show what the campaign will look like.

We've been making tons of improvements.
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Post by: IceFire on September 14, 2005, 10:05:36 pm
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Originally posted by High Max
Oh, so you are talking large ships like Gargant and Gigas. I really wish that you would produce Paradigm Shift after BWO is released. Hopefully, at least think about it. I'm sure that many would agree with me that it would be exciting to play:) You said that a fan made conclusion to FS2 wouldn't be good because to many people would disagree with the story because it isn't made by Volition. But that is what fan-made campaigns are about, choosing what story you want (the most logical one you feel should be right). Also, Paradigm Shift doesn't have to be a conclusion. You could keep on making continuations so we will never get bored and maybe make a conclusion far down the line.

Gargant and Gigas are just really large Sathanas from what I can tell.

My thoughts on the matter were a bit different....
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Post by: BlackDove on September 15, 2005, 09:25:02 pm
Well, from the files you sent me, it's rather ;7

So, I guess when we release BWO to these people, we'll torture them for the next five or maybe ten years with Paradigm Shift.

Sounds like fun. You know. Keeping up with the sadism. ;)
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Post by: IceFire on September 15, 2005, 10:43:50 pm
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Well, from the files you sent me, it's rather ;7

So, I guess when we release BWO to these people, we'll torture them for the next five or maybe ten years with Paradigm Shift.

Sounds like fun. You know. Keeping up with the sadism. ;)

Feels good doesn't it :D
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Post by: Bobboau on September 16, 2005, 12:11:23 pm
in PS there were a bunch of neat things I had in mind, one of the central Shivan vessles was going to break apart into a small fleet and encircle a planet to utterly destroy it, no more 12 hour orbital bombardment, once it was in position it would be over in a matter of seconds.

I also had Ideas for all sorts of diferent ranges of Shivan knossoses, and dysonsphere like meshes built around black holes to act as subspace tap power plants and intergalactic transportation hubs.
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Post by: Prophet on September 17, 2005, 01:34:50 pm
More like a ball-like structure, actually...
Freelancer had one. It was kinda cool...

Edit: Wrote Starlancer when I meant Freelancer. They should think more unique names...
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Post by: BlackDove on September 17, 2005, 01:40:23 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau
in PS there were a bunch of neat things I had in mind, one of the central Shivan vessles was going to break apart into a small fleet and encircle a planet to utterly destroy it, no more 12 hour orbital bombardment, once it was in position it would be over in a matter of seconds.

I also had Ideas for all sorts of diferent ranges of Shivan knossoses, and dysonsphere like meshes built around black holes to act as subspace tap power plants and intergalactic transportation hubs.


Keep the neat things in your mind, I might want you to do some of them .p
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Post by: Turnsky on September 18, 2005, 05:28:35 am
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Originally posted by IceFire

Feels good doesn't it :D


know the feeling.. :D